OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[woodbuck27]

Here is a Rodgers story I had never heard before

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/100902

4. Aaron Rodgers, Packers
2010's most savvy bet: Rodgers to win the MVP as a semi-long shot at 12-to-1 odds. Last season, he threw for 4,434 yards, 30 touchdowns and just seven picks, then nearly pulled off a historic comeback in that unforgettable Packers-Cards wild-card game (finishing with 423 passing yards, four TDs). And Green Bay's offense has "The Look" in the preseason: Everything is pointing toward a 2009 Saints-type breakout year. On a personal note, my affection for Rodgers increased exponentially at ESPN's Sundance party during the conference championships, when Rodgers and his buddies unabashedly rooted against former nemesis Favre and the Vikings down the stretch and celebrated raucously when New Orleans pulled it out. Rodgers couldn't have been more delighted; he did everything but climb on the bar and start a "F--- YOU, FAVRE!" chant. I will always root for him after that. And yes, that story is 100 percent true.

Love Rodgers

Come on Man.

Is that really a good thing? I think not. That's questionable behaviour in terms of it's one of those in your face things that often backfire in sports rivalrys.

Or this:

Isn't that a little more oil on the fire Favre and the Vikings need? That's the sort of thing that generally fires up any rival in the world of sports and adds incentive to beat that opponent. Not smart ...bad karma for us on behalf of Aaron Rodgers. A waste of energy. Over negative.

It's better to wait. Be patient and put it all out there on the field. Win games on the field by demonstrating superiority and keep the emotions out of it.

GO PACK GO!

Its not as significant as a telephone consultation with your former teams upcoming opponent.

Given that 'in fact' that's true. What bearing does that have in terms of today? Brett Favre was in effect put out to pature by the Pacxker organizationb and even bribed by the Packers organization to retire from the game he loves.

Favre has integrity. He turned his nose up to that bribe Patler. How many men do you know that would turn down some $20 Millions $'s to retire from whatever? Just take that money and disappar. The fact he refused that offer stands Favre up even bigger in my estimation of that man as someone very special.

I as a Canadian love the NHL and always have followed my favourite team and player (s) ' with this ' as a fact of life in terms of any players career:

When any team trades a star player to another team, or otherwise waives that player or releases him. That player tries his best to shove that decision in his former teams face. To make the former team pay for not believing in him. Often he gets his revenge as he's justly motivated to do so. That's part of being a professional,, and all that which is related to a star or very talented players ego.

It was time for TT to get Favre out of sight and move forward with Aaron Rodgers. We saw that coming the day Aaron Rodgers was drafted. I certainly saw that coming and was concerned that Brett Favre wouldn't set significant personal records in a Packer uniform. Well he did all of that but his main incentive was not records. Rather win another Super Bowl. He came so close again in a Packer uniform and failure never dulled his appetite. The man wants to win very badly.

Try ... try ... try, until you succeed.

Once that was done ( culminating in that heart wrenching loss to the NY Giants ). I wanted Favre out of Green Bay. It was obvious to me and some others that we are not seeing around here these days. That there were certain frustrations that seperated the philosophies and intents of Brett Favre and TT. They were on different pages and worlds apart in terms of winning, now and 'YES' despite that ' Brett Favre and the Packers ' came close.

That's an old argument as well, and 'the fact is', and that we enjoy today. Is we're considered contenders to go to a Super Bowl. That's moot considering ' the fact of life ', that it'll be left on the field of play. Our success Vs any teams. We have alot of teams to play and defeat besides the Vikings.

In terms of Brett Favre and his present incentives and direction.

TT's personality and ' the will to win ' is now moot. Favre is free of TT. He certainly wants to demonstrate again this season that he had plenty in the tank when TT went in another direction. See above and National Hockey League players.

By the way the record will clearly demonstrate that personally I've supported that move of Rodgers over Favre by TT and the Packer organization. It was time. Given that was done. What Brett Favre has ever done to support his needs is moot. He's no longer a Packer and free as a professional to make his best deal and with a team he considers a serious contender.

He's not a traitor. Favre is a man on a mission as a Pro atlhlete, and 'of course' that's possibly counter productive to our hopes, and only as he proves himself worthy of playing at a high level and winning the big games. He's fallen down many times but despite all that many NFL fans love him in the game. He's arguably, the most exciting player to ever play the QB position in the NFL.

Aaron Rodgers is our QB now and it's too simple. Suport Aaron Rodgers and certainly use some wisdom in terms of hating Brett Favre. That's just wrong to sick IMO.

Disagreeing with me won't change my position.

GO PACKERS!

[Scott Campbell]

I'll tell you what I am Tarlam!

I'm fair, confident , intelligent, supportive or a team player. I'm responsible, a leader, honest and extremely loyal or dedicated to a foundation that supports the best results. I'm fortunate to be well liked by anyone that really does get to know me. That respects the consistent values that I adopted a long time ago to use as a guide to living and enjoying my life Tarlam!.

.................................................. .........................yadda, yadda, yadda.

[Scott Campbell]

Brett Favre was ................ bribed by the Packers organization to retire from the game he loves.

Favre has integrity.

He's not a traitor.

[swede]

In retrospect it would have been nice if Canada had gone French only instead of bilingual--let the posters at Les_Ratons_Paquerres.comme deal with it.

[Patler]

Geeze Woody, get off the Favre love train and try to comprehend my point:

YOU criticized Rodgers for having cheered against Favre.
YOU called it "questionable behaviour" by Rodgers.
YOU characterized it as the type of action that often "backfire in sports rivalrys".
YOU called it "not smart".
YOU called it "bad karma".
YOU called it "a waste of energy".
YOU called it "overly negative"
YOU said "It's better to wait. Be patient and put it all out there on the field. Win games on the field by demonstrating superiority and keep the emotions out of it."

All because Rodgers cheered for his good friend (Brees) and against the guy who reportedly wouldn't even return his call two years ago. The guy who treated him very coldly as a teammate.

All I said was that whatever Rodgers did, it was not nearly as significant as what Favre did in consulting with a third team. How can you condemn Rodgers for cheering for a friend and against someone who refused to be his friend; and excuse Favre for his actions against the team that payed him about $100 million and their fans who adored him?

My god Woody, rebalance your scale a little. Condem both or excuse both, or maybe realize that what Rodgers did HAD NO EFFECT ON ANYONE OR ANY OUTCOME. On the other hand, Favre attempted to influence the outcome of a game in which he was not playing, just to take out his anger on his former team and in the process directly impact his former teammates and his fans. If anything was an over reaction, bad karma, overly negative or anything that you accused Rodgers of, it was Favre consulting with the Lions (and maybe others as well.)

[mraynrand]

Holy shit is this guy full of himself!

No man. I know who I am. When you get to be my age you may as well.

I doubt you'll still be alive when I get to be your age.

[woodbuck27]

Holy shit is this guy full of himself!

No man. I know who I am. When you get to be my age you may as well.

I doubt you'll still be alive when I get to be your age.

What's your age? About 43 years old?

That's only 20 years younger than I am mraynrand. So in 20 years I'll only be 83 years of age and v. alive !

Still defending my positions Re: my ' All Time Pro Sports Hero ', Brett Favre, on some football forum. Hopefully, this one.

GO PACK GO!

[Bossman641]

Holy shit is this guy full of himself!

No man. I know who I am. When you get to be my age you may as well.

I really, really hope not. I find arrogant people nauseating.

"They" say that the most arrogant people in the world are the ones that do not know they are arrogant.

Let me remove all doubt. You "get louder at lambeau" are extremely arrogant.

Funny, but I haven't seen any posts from louder at lambeau telling the rest of the forum how much better he is than they are.

[Bossman641]

Given that 'in fact' that's true. What bearing does that have in terms of today? Brett Favre was in effect put out to pature by the Pacxker organizationb and even bribed by the Packers organization to retire from the game he loves.
Favre has integrity. He turned his nose up to that bribe Patler. How many men do you know that would turn down some $20 Millions $'s to retire from whatever? Just take that money and disappar. The fact he refused that offer stands Favre up even bigger in my estimation of that man as someone very special.

I as a Canadian love the NHL and always have followed my favourite team and player (s) ' with this ' as a fact of life in terms of any players career:

When any team trades a star player to another team, or otherwise waives that player or releases him. That player tries his best to shove that decision in his former teams face. To make the former team pay for not believing in him. Often he gets his revenge as he's justly motivated to do so. That's part of being a professional,, and all that which is related to a star or very talented players ego.

It was time for TT to get Favre out of sight and move forward with Aaron Rodgers. We saw that coming the day Aaron Rodgers was drafted. I certainly saw that coming and was concerned that Brett Favre wouldn't set significant personal records in a Packer uniform. Well he did all of that but his main incentive was not records. Rather win another Super Bowl. He came so close again in a Packer uniform and failure never dulled his appetite. The man wants to win very badly.

Try ... try ... try, until you succeed.

Once that was done ( culminating in that heart wrenching loss to the NY Giants ). I wanted Favre out of Green Bay. It was obvious to me and some others that we are not seeing around here these days. That there were certain frustrations that seperated the philosophies and intents of Brett Favre and TT. They were on different pages and worlds apart in terms of winning, now and 'YES' despite that ' Brett Favre and the Packers ' came close.

That's an old argument as well, and 'the fact is', and that we enjoy today. Is we're considered contenders to go to a Super Bowl. That's moot considering ' the fact of life ', that it'll be left on the field of play. Our success Vs any teams. We have alot of teams to play and defeat besides the Vikings.

In terms of Brett Favre and his present incentives and direction.

TT's personality and ' the will to win ' is now moot. Favre is free of TT. He certainly wants to demonstrate again this season that he had plenty in the tank when TT went in another direction. See above and National Hockey League players.

By the way the record will clearly demonstrate that personally I've supported that move of Rodgers over Favre by TT and the Packer organization. It was time. Given that was done. What Brett Favre has ever done to support his needs is moot. He's no longer a Packer and free as a professional to make his best deal and with a team he considers a serious contender.

He's not a traitor. Favre is a man on a mission as a Pro atlhlete, and 'of course' that's possibly counter productive to our hopes, and only as he proves himself worthy of playing at a high level and winning the big games. He's fallen down many times but despite all that many NFL fans love him in the game. He's arguably, the most exciting player to ever play the QB position in the NFL.

Aaron Rodgers is our QB now and it's too simple. Suport Aaron Rodgers and certainly use some wisdom in terms of hating Brett Favre. That's just wrong to sick IMO.

Disagreeing with me won't change my position.

GO PACKERS!

Seriously Woodbuck, we have seen the timelines. We have discussed the terms of Favre's "retirement" several times. Your inability to even acknowledge the possibility that Favre retired and wanted out as opposed to being pushed out by TT is mind-boggling.

[retailguy]

Holy shit is this guy full of himself!

No man. I know who I am. When you get to be my age you may as well.

I really, really hope not. I find arrogant people nauseating.

"They" say that the most arrogant people in the world are the ones that do not know they are arrogant.

Let me remove all doubt. You "get louder at lambeau" are extremely arrogant.

Funny, but I haven't seen any posts from louder at lambeau telling the rest of the forum how much better he is than they are.

I think you should spend some time looking at his past posts. Very little but snide sarcastic remarks. Kind of like Tyrone in a way, but at least Tyrone had an occasional good football comment/discussion. This guy is really just a one trick pony, and not a very good one at that.

I'm shocked you haven't seen this. He's one of the most judgmental guys around here by any standard you'd care to use.

[woodbuck27]

Did Favre sign ** a new contract recently?

I thought I saw this week that Brett Favre signed a standard four year contract with the Vikings. Saw that on their site. Since, I tried to do a follow-up and cannot find the article RE: ** such.

I believe its still the same two year deal framework (09 through 10), but he was given additional money for this year. Some of the amount and much of the incentives would be paid out in 2011, after this season. But I believe the contract runs only through 2010.

I heard a lot about a few extra million in Brett's contract, but I've yet to read any attribution to that. From a league-wide picture --and I am nowhere near a league sympathizer-- I hate that a small-market team has to pay a player even more money on top of a salary that exceeds in one year what most people will make in their lifetimes (and it's not like the guy wasn't paid heftily during his first 19 seasons). It seems so stupidly crass that I hope it's just speculation. But if it's been whispered so much, it likely isn't.

Since we're no longer running on a salary cap, there's far less need to report salaries. Is there any place that can verify what a player's current payroll value is?

I don't think you can qualify the Vikings as small market. Low revenue, perhaps.

Here is PFT on the new payment schedule (the reference to 2011's W-2 income is for the deferred income, not another contract year): http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...llion-to-2011/

And here are the details of the new deal: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...llion-to-2011/

Thank You pbmax.

So... if Brett Favre gets his full incentive package done this season.

He'll make $ 11.6 Milllion dollars of base salary + $ 1.4 Million of his ' $ 4.4 million dollars ' signing bonus ' and the remainder deferred to Dec. 31, 2011 + a potential of 4 Million ' of incentive money ' + $ 4 Million (deferred fr. 2009 salary)

or

Potentially, 21 Million dollars in 2011 ( based on earning incentives ).

[Scott Campbell]

43 years old?

That's only 20 years younger than I am mraynrand. So in 20 years I'll only be 83 years of age and v. alive !

Just how many 63rd birthdays have you had Woody?

[get louder at lambeau]

Holy shit is this guy full of himself!

No man. I know who I am. When you get to be my age you may as well.

I really, really hope not. I find arrogant people nauseating.

"They" say that the most arrogant people in the world are the ones that do not know they are arrogant.

Let me remove all doubt. You "get louder at lambeau" are extremely arrogant.

Funny, but I haven't seen any posts from louder at lambeau telling the rest of the forum how much better he is than they are.

I think you should spend some time looking at his past posts. Very little but snide sarcastic remarks. Kind of like Tyrone in a way, but at least Tyrone had an occasional good football comment/discussion. This guy is really just a one trick pony, and not a very good one at that.

I'm shocked you haven't seen this. He's one of the most judgmental guys around here by any standard you'd care to use.

Retail is right. I can be very sarcastic and judgmental. Arrogant though? Not so much. I don't think I'm better than anyone here (except maybe retailguy).

[Scott Campbell]

Thank You pbmax.

So... if Brett Favre gets his full incentive package done this season.

He'll make $ 11.6 Milllion dollars of base salary + $ 1.4 Million of his ' $ 4.4 million dollars ' signing bonus ' and the remainder deferred to Dec. 31, 2011 + a potential of 4 Million ' of incentive money ' + $ 4 Million (deferred fr. 2009 salary)

or

Potentially, 21 Million dollars in 2011 ( based on earning incentives ).

Extortion pays when your backup is T-Jack.

[woodbuck27]

Holy shit is this guy full of himself!

No man. I know who I am. When you get to be my age you may as well.

I really, really hope not. I find arrogant people nauseating.

"They" say that the most arrogant people in the world are the ones that do not know they are arrogant.

Let me remove all doubt. You "get louder at lambeau" are extremely arrogant.

Funny, but I haven't seen any posts from louder at lambeau telling the rest of the forum how much better he is than they are.

Hey Bossman641 ! I'm not the fella that proclaims such weakness as to hate anything. Doesn't hatred imply arrogance? Anger with anything that doesn't serve your needs, ideas, wish's, plans or agenda's etc. I'm as fair and mild a man as you'll come across here. I'm far removed from any BS.

I back myself up. I don't make ridiculous statements concerning HATE or act with undo emotion or lose my cool. I'll certainly not entertain such low life garbage from a man who means little to nothing to me, except to expect you to generally or always oppose my goodness. I'm too cool ... pour vour ... compondre?

Please mister. Re: me and being arrogant. Don't be confused between confidence and arrogance. There's a decided difference between arrogance and confidence. Find a dictionary and see for yourself. I'm certainly different from you but far from arrogant. If you feel the need to meet me in any challenge. I welcome your challenge, and ... good luck.

So let's leap ahead Bossman641. Just maybe, you'd like the challenge of attempting to railroad me? Please. If that's your agenda? I suggest that you put it to rest Bossman641. I don't railroad easily and to go there with me, is like you 'pissing in the wind'. Noone at anytime on this forum has ever managed to push me around, or seperate me from my views or beliefs. I'm as strong in what I believe in as you are in your positions. Let's just mutually accept that. OK? That's a healthy stance Bossman641. It's the democratic process in action.

Let's just go to the TRUTH of it. You and I are, in my observation, two very different people. I'm a decent man and I don't ever have to defend that fact.

I've seen the BS intimidation the likes of you put out at Packerrats and what it does to decent people that oppose in view the likes of you Bossman641. I choose to simply disagree with your views as I see necessary and in terms of my integrity. Is that difficult for you to come to terms with? If so? I suggest you eat it. K?

GO PACK GO!