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[woodbuck27]

From PFT.Com

Brett Favre: "It's a media frenzy world"

Posted by Michael David Smith on September 8, 2010 3:43 PM ET

Vikings quarterback Brett Favre knows he was the subject of constant media attention this offseason as everyone speculated about whether or not he'd retire. (Again.) But Favre believes that says more about the state of the media than it does about him.

"It's a media frenzy world," Favre said in an interview today with Adam Schein, Rich Gannon and John Madden on Sirius NFL Radio. "Nothing goes untouched or un-talked about. I quietly -- I thought quietly -- tried to make my decision. I had surgery about a month before camp and the media started camping out at the gate. I never asked them to come. I never asked them to talk about it."

Favre also discussed watching tape of the Vikings' loss to the Saints in the NFC Championship Game, saying he thinks his team blew a golden opportunity to get to the Super Bowl.

"The obvious thing that jumps out at you is, boy, we had every chance to win that football game," Favre said of watching the Saints game again.

Although Favre talked mostly about Thursday night's regular-season opener against the Saints, he sounded like he still has some regrets about that January loss in New Orleans.

"Super Bowls don't come around too often for a player or a team," Favre said. "Nor do championship games."

Favre also touched on his surgically repaired ankle, saying, "I still feel it every day." And he downplayed talk that there's a rift in his relationship with Vikings coach Brad Childress.

"I think it's fine," Favre said of the coach-quarterback relationship. "And I think he would say the same thing. . . . This is Brad Childress's team."

[ThunderDan]

WTF, again why is this going on and on here? This should be in the Romper Room or Garbage Can.

[woodbuck27]

From PFT.Com

T.O. takes aim at Brett Favre

Posted by Mike Florio on September 8, 2010 12:38 PM ET

As you may have heard, Bengals receivers Chad Ochocinco and Terrell Owens will launch a new weekly show on Versus in October. For now, they'll making weekly appearances on The Daily Line, and presumably talking about all sorts of issues.

In their debut, T.O. took a shot at one of the quarterbacks that Owens used as a prop in one of his past in-house quarterback feuds: Brett Favre.

Specifically, Owens believes that not enough has been made of Favre's failure and/or refusal to participate in training camp in 2009 and 2010.

"Had it been one of us doing some of the same things, pulling these stunts that Brett Favre has done the last two or three years, then we would be labeled 'not a team player,' 'selfish,' and these are times where you want your guys to be in camp, bonding with your teammates, learning the plays, going through the whole team concept just like everybody else," Owens said in video that was forwarded to PFT by our friends at CSNPhilly.com. "And now it's like, yeah, he's set himself above team standards."

T.O. is right. Favre has largely gotten a pass for not attending offseason workouts or training camp the last three years. Though the Vikings bear some of the blame for allowing him to do it, the media isn't facing the same Favre-or-Tarvaris conundrum at quarterback, and yet many in the media have adopted the same "see no evil" posture when it comes to Brett.

If it were Owens or Ochocinco who were behaving this way, the army of folks calling them out would be much louder, and much larger.

[Pugger]

Given that 'in fact' that's true. What bearing does that have in terms of today? Brett Favre was in effect put out to pature by the Pacxker organizationb and even bribed by the Packers organization to retire from the game he loves.
Favre has integrity. He turned his nose up to that bribe Patler. How many men do you know that would turn down some $20 Millions $'s to retire from whatever? Just take that money and disappar. The fact he refused that offer stands Favre up even bigger in my estimation of that man as someone very special.

I as a Canadian love the NHL and always have followed my favourite team and player (s) ' with this ' as a fact of life in terms of any players career:

When any team trades a star player to another team, or otherwise waives that player or releases him. That player tries his best to shove that decision in his former teams face. To make the former team pay for not believing in him. Often he gets his revenge as he's justly motivated to do so. That's part of being a professional,, and all that which is related to a star or very talented players ego.

It was time for TT to get Favre out of sight and move forward with Aaron Rodgers. We saw that coming the day Aaron Rodgers was drafted. I certainly saw that coming and was concerned that Brett Favre wouldn't set significant personal records in a Packer uniform. Well he did all of that but his main incentive was not records. Rather win another Super Bowl. He came so close again in a Packer uniform and failure never dulled his appetite. The man wants to win very badly.

Try ... try ... try, until you succeed.

Once that was done ( culminating in that heart wrenching loss to the NY Giants ). I wanted Favre out of Green Bay. It was obvious to me and some others that we are not seeing around here these days. That there were certain frustrations that seperated the philosophies and intents of Brett Favre and TT. They were on different pages and worlds apart in terms of winning, now and 'YES' despite that ' Brett Favre and the Packers ' came close.

That's an old argument as well, and 'the fact is', and that we enjoy today. Is we're considered contenders to go to a Super Bowl. That's moot considering ' the fact of life ', that it'll be left on the field of play. Our success Vs any teams. We have alot of teams to play and defeat besides the Vikings.

In terms of Brett Favre and his present incentives and direction.

TT's personality and ' the will to win ' is now moot. Favre is free of TT. He certainly wants to demonstrate again this season that he had plenty in the tank when TT went in another direction. See above and National Hockey League players.

By the way the record will clearly demonstrate that personally I've supported that move of Rodgers over Favre by TT and the Packer organization. It was time. Given that was done. What Brett Favre has ever done to support his needs is moot. He's no longer a Packer and free as a professional to make his best deal and with a team he considers a serious contender.

He's not a traitor. Favre is a man on a mission as a Pro atlhlete, and 'of course' that's possibly counter productive to our hopes, and only as he proves himself worthy of playing at a high level and winning the big games. He's fallen down many times but despite all that many NFL fans love him in the game. He's arguably, the most exciting player to ever play the QB position in the NFL.

Aaron Rodgers is our QB now and it's too simple. Suport Aaron Rodgers and certainly use some wisdom in terms of hating Brett Favre. That's just wrong to sick IMO.

Disagreeing with me won't change my position.

GO PACKERS!

Seriously Woodbuck, we have seen the timelines. We have discussed the terms of Favre's "retirement" several times. Your inability to even acknowledge the possibility that Favre retired and wanted out as opposed to being pushed out by TT is mind-boggling.

+1

[Scott Campbell]

I don't make ridiculous statements concerning HATE or act with undo emotion or lose my cool.

[packerbacker1234]

From PFT.Com

T.O. takes aim at Brett Favre

Posted by Mike Florio on September 8, 2010 12:38 PM ET

As you may have heard, Bengals receivers Chad Ochocinco and Terrell Owens will launch a new weekly show on Versus in October. For now, they'll making weekly appearances on The Daily Line, and presumably talking about all sorts of issues.

In their debut, T.O. took a shot at one of the quarterbacks that Owens used as a prop in one of his past in-house quarterback feuds: Brett Favre.

Specifically, Owens believes that not enough has been made of Favre's failure and/or refusal to participate in training camp in 2009 and 2010.

"Had it been one of us doing some of the same things, pulling these stunts that Brett Favre has done the last two or three years, then we would be labeled 'not a team player,' 'selfish,' and these are times where you want your guys to be in camp, bonding with your teammates, learning the plays, going through the whole team concept just like everybody else," Owens said in video that was forwarded to PFT by our friends at CSNPhilly.com. "And now it's like, yeah, he's set himself above team standards."

T.O. is right. Favre has largely gotten a pass for not attending offseason workouts or training camp the last three years. Though the Vikings bear some of the blame for allowing him to do it, the media isn't facing the same Favre-or-Tarvaris conundrum at quarterback, and yet many in the media have adopted the same "see no evil" posture when it comes to Brett.

If it were Owens or Ochocinco who were behaving this way, the army of folks calling them out would be much louder, and much larger.

It's a completely different situation, and they play different positions. Favre "skipping camp" in 2008 wasn't entirely his fault. In fact, he would of been back much earier in the packers camp if he was allowed back - so his late start with the jets wasn't completely his own fault. He was already reinstated before he was even on their roster.

The last two offseasons, though, are on him. Last year, it sounded if, from what was said on both sides, that favre wasn't coming back. He informed the vikings he wouldn't be coming back, and it was like... two weeks after that childress called up one last time, and presumably begged favre to give it a shot.

He did, and had one of, if not the best statistical season of his career.

This year, It's pretty obvious he was skipping camp to skip it, and I agree he gets less criticized for it, but why should he be hte one criticized? It's the vikings that should be - they are the ones that allowed it to happen,a nd in most respects... how can you blame them?

Favre does give them another year with another SB shot. Without him, it's pretty clear they wont be SB contendors.

So... yes, he isn't completely a team player, that isn't a news flash to anyone. However, he shows up on sunday, does his job, and dcoesn't cause locker room problems in season - something ochocinco and owens have done, which they tend to forget about themselves.

Favre plays QB, The team he is on has no real replacement. He should of arguably been the MVP over Manning (hell, so should of rodgers), different players get different treatment.

Owns and Ocho Cinco would get blaste dbecause they have a history of "tearing apart" locker rooms - where as favre has a history of bringing locker rooms together.

[Bossman641]

Hey Bossman641 ! I'm not the fella that proclaims such weakness as to hate anything. Doesn't hatred imply arrogance? Anger with anything that doesn't serve your needs, ideas, wish's, plans or agenda's etc. I'm as fair and mild a man as you'll come across here. I'm far removed from any BS.

I back myself up. I don't make ridiculous statements concerning HATE or act with undo emotion or lose my cool. I'll certainly not entertain such low life garbage from a man who means little to nothing to me, except to expect you to generally or always oppose my goodness. I'm too cool ... pour vour ... compondre?

Please mister. Re: me and being arrogant. Don't be confused between confidence and arrogance. There's a decided difference between arrogance and confidence. Find a dictionary and see for yourself. I'm certainly different from you but far from arrogant. If you feel the need to meet me in any challenge. I welcome your challenge, and ... good luck.

So let's leap ahead Bossman641. Just maybe, you'd like the challenge of attempting to railroad me? Please. If that's your agenda? I suggest that you put it to rest Bossman641. I don't railroad easily and to go there with me, is like you 'pissing in the wind'. Noone at anytime on this forum has ever managed to push me around, or seperate me from my views or beliefs. I'm as strong in what I believe in as you are in your positions. Let's just mutually accept that. OK? That's a healthy stance Bossman641. It's the democratic process in action.

Let's just go to the TRUTH of it. You and I are, in my observation, two very different people. I'm a decent man and I don't ever have to defend that fact.

I've seen the BS intimidation the likes of you put out at Packerrats and what it does to decent people that oppose in view the likes of you Bossman641. I choose to simply disagree with your views as I see necessary and in terms of my integrity. Is that difficult for you to come to terms with? If so? I suggest you eat it. K?

GO PACK GO!

Haha. I really don't even know how to respond to this, woodbuck27.

I get you don't like the term hate. I'd suggest you aren't as passionate about the Packers as some others are woodbuck27. What you call strong and confident, I call stubborn and hard-headed woodbuck27.

And I'm certainly not trying to intimidate you woodbuck27, I just think you are very narrow-minded when it comes to Favre.

[cheesner]

It's a completely different situation, and they play different positions. Favre "skipping camp" in 2008 wasn't entirely his fault. In fact, he would of been back much earier in the packers camp if he was allowed back - so his late start with the jets wasn't completely his own fault. He was already reinstated before he was even on their roster.

The last two offseasons, though, are on him. Last year, it sounded if, from what was said on both sides, that favre wasn't coming back. He informed the vikings he wouldn't be coming back, and it was like... two weeks after that childress called up one last time, and presumably begged favre to give it a shot.

He did, and had one of, if not the best statistical season of his career.

This year, It's pretty obvious he was skipping camp to skip it, and I agree he gets less criticized for it, but why should he be hte one criticized? It's the vikings that should be - they are the ones that allowed it to happen,a nd in most respects... how can you blame them?

Favre does give them another year with another SB shot. Without him, it's pretty clear they wont be SB contendors.

So... yes, he isn't completely a team player, that isn't a news flash to anyone. However, he shows up on sunday, does his job, and dcoesn't cause locker room problems in season - something ochocinco and owens have done, which they tend to forget about themselves.

Favre plays QB, The team he is on has no real replacement. He should of arguably been the MVP over Manning (hell, so should of rodgers), different players get different treatment.

Owns and Ocho Cinco would get blaste dbecause they have a history of "tearing apart" locker rooms - where as favre has a history of bringing locker rooms together.

Some fair points there.

I would just think he should be more honest about it. Announce earlier that you intend to play. Attend training camp. Instead of throwing the ball to some high school kids, throw to some of your teammates. Work with TJack in film study, teach the receivers what you know about the offense. HELP your team!

I am willing to give him that his body won't hold up an entire season with training camp. Maybe taking training camp off will be a positive by the end of the season. But why not show up and only attend 1 practice out of 3 days. Sit out anything with any chance of contact. Sip a pina colada on the sidelines on your day off watching practice. Just be there for your teammates and help them in any small way that you can.

[get louder at lambeau]

So, I've only been around this site for, I don't know, a year? Less? Not sure. But I gotta ask- Is this Woodbuck guy for real? Is he always like this?

If so, I think I'm a fan. He's hilarious.

[Gunakor]

where as favre has a history of bringing locker rooms together.

Well, I don't know about this. Let's ask Tannenbaum how Favre brought the Jets locker room together. Let's ask Zigi how the FavreWatch fiasco THIS season has helped bring the Vikings locker room together.

I think I have to disagree with your assessment that Favre brings locker rooms together.

[woodbuck27]

Given that 'in fact' that's true. What bearing does that have in terms of today? Brett Favre was in effect put out to pature by the Pacxker organizationb and even bribed by the Packers organization to retire from the game he loves.
Favre has integrity. He turned his nose up to that bribe Patler. How many men do you know that would turn down some $20 Millions $'s to retire from whatever? Just take that money and disappar. The fact he refused that offer stands Favre up even bigger in my estimation of that man as someone very special.

I as a Canadian love the NHL and always have followed my favourite team and player (s) ' with this ' as a fact of life in terms of any players career:

When any team trades a star player to another team, or otherwise waives that player or releases him. That player tries his best to shove that decision in his former teams face. To make the former team pay for not believing in him. Often he gets his revenge as he's justly motivated to do so. That's part of being a professional,, and all that which is related to a star or very talented players ego.

It was time for TT to get Favre out of sight and move forward with Aaron Rodgers. We saw that coming the day Aaron Rodgers was drafted. I certainly saw that coming and was concerned that Brett Favre wouldn't set significant personal records in a Packer uniform. Well he did all of that but his main incentive was not records. Rather win another Super Bowl. He came so close again in a Packer uniform and failure never dulled his appetite. The man wants to win very badly.

Try ... try ... try, until you succeed.

Once that was done ( culminating in that heart wrenching loss to the NY Giants ). I wanted Favre out of Green Bay. It was obvious to me and some others that we are not seeing around here these days. That there were certain frustrations that seperated the philosophies and intents of Brett Favre and TT. They were on different pages and worlds apart in terms of winning, now and 'YES' despite that ' Brett Favre and the Packers ' came close.

That's an old argument as well, and 'the fact is', and that we enjoy today. Is we're considered contenders to go to a Super Bowl. That's moot considering ' the fact of life ', that it'll be left on the field of play. Our success Vs any teams. We have alot of teams to play and defeat besides the Vikings.

In terms of Brett Favre and his present incentives and direction.

TT's personality and ' the will to win ' is now moot. Favre is free of TT. He certainly wants to demonstrate again this season that he had plenty in the tank when TT went in another direction. See above and National Hockey League players.

By the way the record will clearly demonstrate that personally I've supported that move of Rodgers over Favre by TT and the Packer organization. It was time. Given that was done. What Brett Favre has ever done to support his needs is moot. He's no longer a Packer and free as a professional to make his best deal and with a team he considers a serious contender.

He's not a traitor. Favre is a man on a mission as a Pro atlhlete, and 'of course' that's possibly counter productive to our hopes, and only as he proves himself worthy of playing at a high level and winning the big games. He's fallen down many times but despite all that many NFL fans love him in the game. He's arguably, the most exciting player to ever play the QB position in the NFL.

Aaron Rodgers is our QB now and it's too simple. Suport Aaron Rodgers and certainly use some wisdom in terms of hating Brett Favre. That's just wrong to sick IMO.

Disagreeing with me won't change my position.

GO PACKERS!

Seriously Woodbuck, we have seen the timelines. We have discussed the terms of Favre's "retirement" several times. Your inability to even acknowledge the possibility that Favre retired and wanted out as opposed to being pushed out by TT is mind-boggling.

No Man. Favre had to want to get far away from TT, as it was obvious to me and other's here that TT was not on the same page as Brett Favre RE: win now.

So here is that whole issue as I witnessed it as a member of Packerrats and I will deliver this to you, Bossman641 to try to give you adequate if not maximum respect.

Bossman641. Does any of us at Packerrats or elsewhere, really know exactly what transpired back in the weeks leading up to the 2008 Draft? In terms specifically or not related to Brett Favre coming back as our starting QB? Have we officially heard both sides of that issue or 'the TRUTH'? Have you? I havn't!

All I've read is someone's best case scenario. As accurate as that may have been or is. Do we really know of any or all agenda's? Favre's or TT's? Do you Bossman641? I don't? I may one day when the book arrives on the bookshelves.

Favre always said in the years leading up to the 2007 season that he wanted to feel wanted by the Packer Organization. Wanted ' as our starting QB '.

Let's go back to the real beginning of the move to Aaron Rodgers as our starting QB Bossman641.

In 2005 TT chose Aaron Rodgers in round one of that draft as the heir apparant to Brett Favre. The writing was on the wall and Aaron Rodgers began his tutilage to be our QB. In the 2006 and 2007 ' off seasons ' Aaron showed us some promise, but he also offered us a question concerning his ability not to have freak accidents (he fell off a bench one time and hurt himself), and otherwise, to remain healthy. I mean this fella looked like an accident looking for a time and a place to happen. Do you re-call that Bossman641?

Favre was running out of time no less, and in the 2007 off season we became well aware of Favre's desires for another star quality WR. To make the march to a Super Bowl, a more realistic proposition. So ... we re-call the whole Randy Moss out of Oakland and to whomever saga that landed Moss in New Englan where he had a monster season (what...23 TD's) with Tom Brady as his QB. Please no comparisons between Brady and Favre in terms of how well or not Moss would have done in Green Bay.

I'm trying to make a specific point here.

As I saw it back in 2007; and debate me as you may desire that. Favre with Moss and all other present company at that time = Super Bowl, too much negative adversity aside.

Some of us here at Packerrats, came to a conclusion that TT fell asleep on failing to bring in Randy Moss. TT's a strange animal to many and fully supported by alot of Packer fans. TT often acted like he was asleep on the job. Personally, I've never been too excited over TT's performance. I'm even on record as claiming that under his tenure as our GM. We won't enjoy a Super Bowl win.

Why do I feel that way? :

TT's not ' balls to the walls ' enough Re: Randy Moss, and please don't come back to me on whether you did or did not support Randy Moss in the Green and Gold. Brett Favre wanted him. Because he like some here saw the obvious potential for us to go all the way. To give a more realistic hope to/for us to go to and win a Super Bowl in 2007.

Well New England and Moss got to the show in 2007 and lost to the team we should have beaten. The NY Giants.

Wasn't it obvious to you Bossman641 that Favre was on his last legs in the Green and Gold. Personally I prayed that the BS he was given would end. I wanted to see Aaron Rodgers in as our starter and Favre retired or elsewhere. I wanted him free of all that is TT. Yes! I supported an awesome HOF QB or Brett Favre over a GM that didn't appear to have blood in his veins as long as Favre was wearing our colors.

I was 'in fact' very pleased for Favre when he was traded to the Jets. I was sick of all the damn agony I saw as TT stalled and poked around. I always believed that one of his main tasks ( assigned bt the real boss's ). Was to as delicately as possible remove Brett Favre.

I'm trying to make a specific point here.

We heard that TT 'thought' he had Randy Moss locked up and so as it was late in his day he went to went to bed thinking Randy Moss was a Packer. Thinking doesn't make it or anything happen ... ever! Do you re-call that Bossman641 as I do?

The bottom line was that in Favre's view TT certainly screwed up again. As Randy Moss's season in New England went down the error TT made had to become more and more obvious to Favre and cause more and more animosity 'only if' he got really weak. I believe that Brett Favre had to come to terms with the rteality of TT as a slow,plodding,bungling type of GM and their personal relationship had to suffer for that. Favre had only so much more time to get to the show. TT had as much time as his superiors desired for him to have after getting Favre out of Green Bay.

Now go back to the playoff game in what Jan. 2005 or our last match-up in the playoffs of the 2004-05 season after we defeated Minnesota 2X in the regular season and they got out of the gate way too fast. That same game where we almost came back but .... re-call that Favre's ... sloppy underhanded pass to the endzone. When he could have easily ran the ball into the endzone between the right uprights and RH sideline marker. That NO PLAY was ' just sick ' on behalf of Brett Favre. It reallyb shocked me and pissed me off. The silly smirk on his face got to me as well. That whole thing really harmed Brett Favre and I'm sure he lost many Packer fans as a result of that silly play.

After that. He had to go 'in the eyes of many'. Yes I believe that play was the catalyst to usher in our current GM. I believe he had to re-build the team and get Favre as best. RETIRED.

Favre always has and stil, does want one thing. To win another Super Bowl. TT did little in terms of making the big move to better ensure that result while Favre was our QB. That is as I see it and agree with me or not. That's what I observed; and it doesn't take ' a Rocket Scientist ' to come to the same conclusion as I have since playoff's 2004.

[ThunderDan]

Woodbuck,

The first part of your post I can understand that we all don't know. I actually can get behind that. As much as I think the evidence is slanted mainly in one direction only TT, MM and BF really know what happened. Of those 3 only 1 went on national television to plead his case. I leave that at that.

As per the whole Randy Moss thing. The Packers went 13-3 in 2007 the year we would have had Moss. We made it to the NFC Championship game that year. I am sorry but I don't care how good Randy Moss is he wouldn't have caught any more of the balls thrown by BF in the Giants game. BF was off by 4-10 feet all game. Horrible throws in cold weather.

Now let's look at the long-term Randy Moss impact. Gregg Jennings doesn't get to play and doesn't develop like he does. What happens to Jones? Our WR core has been excellent for a number of years and this teams ability to throw the ball has been its strength because of the skill position players. Instead of having one of the best WR cores in the league we would have one of the top WR cores in the league that is a year or two from being out of the league. It is kind of like our CB position right now. Yes Woodson and Harris are great but they are old and need to be replaced. When DD retires we have Jones and Nelson to step-up into the 2nd and 3rd WR roles.

In 2008 BF had an arm issue at the end of the year. Did you watch how he folded at the end of the year for the Jets. Being in GB with Randy Moss in 2008 wouldn't have changed that. It really wasn't the offense in 2008 that caused our 6-10 record. ARod got the lead over and over again in the 4th Q and the D couldn't hold the other team from scoring.

[woodbuck27]

43 years old?

That's only 20 years younger than I am mraynrand. So in 20 years I'll only be 83 years of age and v. alive !

Just how many 63rd birthdays have you had Woody?

Hi Scott. I had my 63rd Bday last Dec. 29th and I'll be 64 years 'young' come this Dec. 29, 2010. I feel wonderful and expect to live at least as long as my Paternal grandfather or to get to 96 years of age and want to live to be 100 years old. I've been very fortunate to live a decent life and so far my health is excellent in terms of a prognosis for longetivity.

So one day I do expect we'll see and celebrate a Green Bay Packer Super Bowl win together ( given you have good fortune and live a long life also Scott ) but sorry Scott, as I always maintained and you well know; not in the TT era. Nope !

Why !? TT is just a step out of order Scott. Just ' my gut feeling' about TT Scott based on my experience of what makes a winner.

I hope on this one I'm mistaken Scott. I fully realize that many Packer supporters here are very hopeful that this team can get it done. I just cannot see it inspite of some accolades TT's received he's IMO, not a closer.

Chalk it up to a personality difference between TT's way and personality and what I'd desire our GM to be based on what I know. We have an awesome QB now but it has to get done really soon. Our team is getting older at other key positions. In the short term or this season, I see issues at RB and in our secondary, but we have a decent shot at making the playoffs and again this season with our biggest obstacle being the Vikings, we have a great shot at winning the NFCN.

Brett Favre will be giving all he has Scott no matter what else transpires that's either positive or negative from this point with his team. That man is a fierce competitor. One of the best in the entire historey of all Pro sports, over the course of my history as an athlete and sports fan. We'll see if the Vikings management is on the same page as he is.

TT wasn't there Scott.

The Vikings need help at WR and at RB. The loss of Chester Taylor and of Sydney Rice early in the season and his questionable impact in the second half; as this injury and recovery period isn't at all good news and that possible negative impact cannot be underestimated. They need a solid performance on their 'D' and should get that as it looks now; and a healthy and productive offense to support and justify Brett Favre's new contract.

I look forward to a very exciting NFCN race this season between two teams. Our team and the Vikings. Those experts that poo poo the Vikings are wrong. That's just my analysis to date Scott.

a) Assuming that they fully realize that they do have more work to do at WR to just win the NFCN; moreso to make the Big Show.

b) I'm also aware that Adrian Peterson has to share his ego with Brett Favre and stop fumbling the ball. His ego needs to be adressed by their HC (Childress) and their RB's coach.

c)That their Head Coach has to stay cool on the sidelines and manage the ego's of Favre and Peterson, and not 'hit the panic button', as we've seen in the past fr. Childress.

All of that ... or the Vikings will implode and we'll win the NFCN. The Vikings are still the team to beat Scott. Hating that team and Favre won't make the biscuits Scott.

Behaving in a manner that promotes good karma is a lot more positive for our side. Maybe you might consider TRUSTING that Scott. Again ... just a little of my life's experience to guide my beliefs Scott. WE need to generate all of the good karma that we can as Packer fans. Not anything else.


GO PACKERS!

[mraynrand]

woodbuck, you are like the Lou Holtz of this forum.

[mraynrand]

No Man. Favre had to want to get far away from TT, as it was obvious to me and other's here that TT was not on the same page as Brett Favre RE: win now.

How can you write stuff like this? It's demonstrably and obviously untrue. A team one play away from the Superbowl cannot possibly be equated in any way with a win later attitude. This is so bizarre. (Cue the four page response....)