OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[Deputy Nutz]

Sorry, woodbuck but that highlighted statement is a complete and utter bold faced lie!

As the GM of the GB Packers, TT's job was to "control" all of the players under contract with the GB Packers.

If TT would have released BF with no compensation I would have been on board with demanding TT's resignation.

The job of the GM is to make their team as competitive as possible in the NFL and releasing players for no compensation and letting them go to a divisional foe is complete mismanagement by a GM.

I think if Favre wanted to play, then it was Thompson's responsibility to open up the facility and locker room to Favre, or cut him, but not sit on him and hope he would go away. I never heard McCarthy say that he was opening up competition between Favre and Rodgers. The only thing I heard was that Rodgers was open to competition with Favre, and that when Favre was asked by the media Favre stated that he didn't believe a competition existed, that he had already earned the starting position, which was true. Packer fan wouldn't have stood for Rodgers starting over Favre in the 2008 season. Especially the way the season turned out.

Thompson in fact told Favre that he was going to be traded to the Bucs, then turned around and traded him to the Jets because he didn't want Favre to play against the Packers.

[woodbuck27]

Youre right its not acceptable so before you declare yourself a moral authority think about when you start jumping down on someones throat for having any opinion that differs from yours.

If I jumped down every members throat here for having a position or opinion different from mine. I would be one angry ass'd man Mad. I do not get that way as I know I'm generally right. My positions...solid. If you imagine that gives me certain satisfaction ... your wrong.

I'm actually incredulous to the ignorance of some here. That's what makes the earth spin.

Inspite of that I post by far with manners with decency even if I can't agree with some here.

Considered 'my manners' in an objective sense Mad:

I'm a true gentleman here and by far overall a solid support for you and Packerrats. I know there's alot of heat on you 'to piss all over me'. I understand the heat on you by members here that I can 'only try my very best' to respect.

We both have a true test.

I can meet mine. (-:

[Deputy Nutz]

Now let's see the real TRUTH that woodbuck claims.

BF retired from the Jets. He then told Mike Tannenbaum that he wanted his release from the Jets assuring the GM that he was done playing in the NFL. Tannenbaum said NO. Then Bus Cook got into the act again saying BF wasn't going to play again and wanted his release from the Jets. This time Mike Tannenbaum did.

After BF got his release he started talking with the Vikings saying he wanted to stick it to TT and Packers.

Actually they needed the cap space, and had to cut him before the draft. If Favre was going to play he would have gotten to Minnesota a little bit earlier than the 3rd preseason game. The Jets would have been fools to hold on to Favre's contract, he was old and hurt, and couldn't play unless he had surgery on his bicep. You are telling me that you were gonna pay Favre 15 million dollars after he fell apart at the end of the season and damaged his throwing arm in the process?

Don't act like Bus Cook came out of no where, he was Favre's agent, of course he is going to act in his clients best interest.

[woodbuck27]

Sorry, woodbuck but that highlighted statement is a complete and utter bold faced lie!

As the GM of the GB Packers, TT's job was to "control" all of the players under contract with the GB Packers.

If TT would have released BF with no compensation I would have been on board with demanding TT's resignation.

The job of the GM is to make their team as competitive as possible in the NFL and releasing players for no compensation and letting them go to a divisional foe is complete mismanagement by a GM.

I do not stress that it wasn't TT's job to control Brett Favre RE: any possibility of Favre going to a divisional rival. I stress that I meant that in strictly this sense:

TT could NOT ethically or reasonably control Brett Favre's love of the game of football and whether or not he could play elsewhere....retire or not...retire and unretire.

[ThunderDan]

I do not stress that it wasn't TT's job to control Brett Favre RE: any possibility of Favre going to a divisional rival. I stress that I meant that in strictly this sense:

TT could NOT ethically or reasonably control Brett Favre's love of the game of football and whether or not he could play elsewhere....retire or not...retire and unretire.

Yes he could, it's called a 10 year $100,000,000 contract thru 2010. TT got to decide exactly where BF played. If BF wanted to retire that was his personal choice. If he didn't want to retire it was TT choice until he released BF from the contract or traded BF to another team.

[woodbuck27]

Yes he could, it's called a 10 year $100,000,000 contract thru 2010. TT got to decide exactly where BF played. If BF wanted to retire that was his personal choice. If he didn't want to retire it was TT choice until he released BF from the contract or traded BF to another team.

TT made a $20 million$ offer (might ne considered a bribe?) to retire a Green Bay Packer. By doing that he was doing all he could to ensure that Favre never played again and that he would never have to contend with Brett Favre the opponent.

[Deputy Nutz]

TT didn't make that offer, Murphy did.

[woodbuck27]

Actually they needed the cap space, and had to cut him before the draft. If Favre was going to play he would have gotten to Minnesota a little bit earlier than the 3rd preseason game. The Jets would have been fools to hold on to Favre's contract, he was old and hurt, and couldn't play unless he had surgery on his bicep. You are telling me that you were gonna pay Favre 15 million dollars after he fell apart at the end of the season and damaged his throwing arm in the process?

Don't act like Bus Cook came out of no where, he was Favre's agent, of course he is going to act in his clients best interest.

The TRUTH of Favre Vs Ted Thompson and or Mike McCarthy is with the Brett Favre and NY Jets history. I refer to 'football related' history.

What happened RE: Brett Favre immediately after the final game of the 2008 season? It's right there ThunderDan.

After that season Brett Favre informed the NY Jets 'clearly'... to not consider that he would be their QB in the 2009 season. That it would be prudent to consider another QB for their starting position in the 2009 season.

We might speculate why Brett Favre took that position but rather than that... let's look at that facts;

Yes RE: Deputy Nutz's post.

As you may recall the New York Jets 'collapsed in the 2008 season's end'... going 1-5 down the stretch to lose the final game and miss what lookd like a sure playoff position after 10-11 games and following a 4-12 finish in 2007. This collapse was puzzling as Brett Favre was on FIRE in that seasons first ten games. For about a month that season Brett Favre looked like the best QB in the NFL. Then the floor collapsed.

It was revealed at seasons end 'in fact ... as was suspected', that Brett Favre was injured. inspite of that injury he was penciled in as the Jets starting QB and all to no avail. The New York Jets, collapse. For that the Jets HC was fined by the NFL HO.

Maybe alot of that may have contributed to Brett Favre and his solemn advice to the New York Jets for which he was appreciative of the opportunity to lead. It was clear that Brett Favre by his own volition was finished as a New York Jet. He was disappointed and hurting physically.

Can you NOT imagine he might have felt his career was finally at an end?

[woodbuck27]

TT didn't make that offer, Murphy did.

OK.

[MadtownPacker]

If I jumped down every members throat here for having a position or opinion different from mine. I would be one angry ass'd man Mad. I do not get that way as I know I'm generally right. My positions...solid. If you imagine that gives me certain satisfaction ... your wrong.

I'm actually incredulous to the ignorance of some here. That's what makes the earth spin.

Inspite of that I post by far with manners with decency even if I can't agree with some here.

Considered 'my manners' in an objective sense Mad:

I'm a true gentleman here and by far overall a solid support for you and Packerrats. I know there's alot of heat on you 'to piss all over me'. I understand the heat on you by members here that I can 'only try my very best' to respect.

We both have a true test.

I can meet mine. (-:

I dont recall asking your opinion. So stick to the topic even if arguing about some shit from 3 years ago is a waste of time (my opinion only). Just dont forget that you ONLY speak for yourself, not PackerRats or any other poster here.

[Pugger]

Did the Packers offer 'an olive branch'? Has that offer been made concretely?

I do not see it that way Pugger.

I guess I thought this was an olive branch of sorts.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8292e2aa/article/packers-thinking-about-retiring-brett-favres-number-

[Pugger]

This true and fase post though I appreciate the effort put forth in it is moot and off topic.

ThunderDan...Focus please on the status of Brett Favre Vs TT and MM... 'in terms of continued bad feeling' or NOT.

I assure you. To go on trying to establish that Favre has such bad feelings is a losing position ThunderDan. I'll advise you further.

Maybe? consider this Thunderdan.

It's not self gratifying when I certainly know I can back myself up. It might just be easier for you to save face by standing down. Your position 'will lose' for you.

I've been a teacher most of my life. A good teacher ensures that the student puts in the necessary effort towords arriving at the correct answer / response / TRUTH. The window of time to arrive at that TRUTH is from AQugust 2008 untill well today. fill your boots.

Find the TRUTH and don't expect me to spoon feed you that TRUTH. Are you familiar at all with martial arts? My way and methods are much derived from that.

I won't give to you what I worked so hard to find.

I doubt we'll ever know the complete truth until someone writes a tell all book. I hope someone does!

[Pugger]

Sorry, woodbuck but that highlighted statement is a complete and utter bold faced lie!

As the GM of the GB Packers, TT's job was to "control" all of the players under contract with the GB Packers.

If TT would have released BF with no compensation I would have been on board with demanding TT's resignation.

The job of the GM is to make their team as competitive as possible in the NFL and releasing players for no compensation and letting them go to a divisional foe is complete mismanagement by a GM.

I agree. It would have been a stupid business decision to just let an asset - Favre - go for nothing. It would have been a nice gesture but only loser franchises do that. Remember when Miami let Pendington go and he signed with the Jets? All Chad did was come back to haunt the Dolphins by coming back to south Florida in the playoffs and knocking them out of the playoffs. Last I heard Miami is still searching for a QB.

[Smeefers]

I am a tough guy. Tough guys don't wear jackets, just really bad ass Affliction T-shirts.

Repped.

[Deputy Nutz]

I doubt we'll ever know the complete truth until someone writes a tell all book. I hope someone does!

I think Favre has said as much as he is going to say. He gave a pretty detailed interview with Mens' Health a while back during the summer of 2010, before all the sexting stuff happened. He didn't throw anyone under the bus or anything. Detailed some of the process when he came back to Green Bay in the summer of 2008. Favre has lost the battle for Green Bay Packer fans. Take a poll around here and I think that will prove my point. Someone already said that he would boo during the retirement of his jersey presentation. Nothing Favre says is going to alter the perspective of Packer Fan.

Thompson is never going to say anything. The only one that I could see really getting into it would be McCarthy when he is done as coach.