OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[Lurker64]

I think the opinions of people who weren't in the Packers organization during the Favreageddon of the summer of 2008 are pretty irrelevant when it comes to how the Packers organization should deal with Favre.

TT, MM, or Favre has to make the first move if there's going to be a reconciliation, what Bob Harlan or Mike Sherman thinks about this is pretty irrelevant.

[ThunderDan]

I think the opinions of people who weren't in the Packers organization during the Favreageddon of the summer of 2008 are pretty irrelevant when it comes to how the Packers organization should deal with Favre.

TT, MM, or Favre has to make the first move if there's going to be a reconciliation, what Bob Harlan or Mike Sherman thinks about this is pretty irrelevant.

I have a feeling it will be TT who starts the conversation. The man has no ego. He does everything for the betterment of the team. Hell, we won the Super Bowl and he lets Murphy carry the trophy and he just stands behind everyone on the podium.

[pbmax]

This thread will be truly impressive if we can get it to 10,000 posts before the Hall of Fame or his jersey retirement with no filler. Such as posts about the post count.

[gbgary]

he might end up in the nfl hof before he's in the Packers Hall of Fame. when he is allowed in, it won't be pretty. i'll bet the boos out weigh the cheering. if he knows what's good for him he'll stay away and save himself the embarrassment. would be funny if everyone sat on their hands, quiet. with just a smattering of cheering from the crowd when he's introduced.

[Lurker64]

I have a feeling it will be TT who starts the conversation. The man has no ego. He does everything for the betterment of the team. Hell, we won the Super Bowl and he lets Murphy carry the trophy and he just stands behind everyone on the podium.

It's also possible that TT just plans on retiring before he really has to deal with it, and just leave the Favre mess for the next guy.

It's entirely likely that Favre won't really be welcome back at Lambeau until both TT and MM have moved on, unless Favre extends an olive branch (or tree, or grove) first.

[swede]

It's entirely likely that Favre won't really be welcome back at Lambeau until both TT and MM have moved on, unless Favre extends an olive branch (or tree, or grove) first.

Lurker, I like your posts, and I often notice new angles in them that make me think.

But this last post presupposes that TT and MM are the parties being difficult and that Favre is the one who will need to make extraordinary efforts to overcome hostility of the TT regime.

Is that really what you mean and you and I are that far apart on a reading of the motivations and actions between the Packers and the Favres?

#thanksted

[Zool]

Lurker, I like your posts, and I often notice new angles in them that make me think.

But this last post presupposes that TT and MM are the parties being difficult and that Favre is the one who will need to make extraordinary efforts to overcome hostility of the TT regime.

Is that really what you mean and you and I are that far apart on a reading of the motivations and actions between the Packers and the Favres?

#thanksted

I take it as they could care less if Favre is in the PHOF or not so they arent going to make a big effort to make it happen.

[pbmax]

Thompson's retirement could very well be on Favre's radar, but these grudges do not always end well or when they are supposed to.

Bradshaw is still mad at the Steelers over the end of his career. He used to blame Noll and the training staff for pushing him to play while hurt and too soon after surgery, but they are all gone now. Despite a few rapprochements, the last comments I heard indicated Bradshaw still considers himself estranged.

Its the damnedest thing too, as unlike Favre who wanted a second title, Bradshaw had no more to gain. 4 Super Bowl wins pretty much remove you from criticism (he also has an AP MVP award). There is something about the former Steelers QB that seems unhappy about his career. He is also still mad about insults to his intelligence when he was a young player.

[Joemailman]

I take it as they could care less if Favre is in the PHOF or not so they arent going to make a big effort to make it happen.

It's not their (TT & MM) role to deal with the Favre situation. They're in charge of football operations, and are preparing for the coming season. The last thing they want is the distraction that comes with the Favre situation. This is Murphy's job, and he seems to be trying to at least set the stage for some sort of reconcilement.

[Patler]

Thompson's retirement could very well be on Favre's radar, but these grudges do not always end well or when they are supposed to.

Bradshaw is still mad at the Steelers over the end of his career. He used to blame Noll and the training staff for pushing him to play while hurt and too soon after surgery, but they are all gone now. Despite a few rapprochements, the last comments I heard indicated Bradshaw still considers himself estranged.

Its the damnedest thing too, as unlike Favre who wanted a second title, Bradshaw had no more to gain. 4 Super Bowl wins pretty much remove you from criticism (he also has an AP MVP award). There is something about the former Steelers QB that seems unhappy about his career. He is also still mad about insults to his intelligence when he was a young player.

I think Bradshaw has always felt that the Steelers never fully appreciated or respected him. He was a 5 year vet, and they tried to replace him as a starter with Joe Gilliam. I don't think he ever got over that. For most of his career, the media portrayed Bradshaw as a mere cog in the machine driven by the defense and the running game. Even in the passing game, Swann and Stallworth were portrayed as flawless, Bradshaw as the country rube who chucked it up in their general direction. The team did nothing to try to change the public's image of Bradshaw. Bradshaw has commented to the effect that the team didn't back him in those matters.

Personally, I think Bradshaw was a good leader and a tough SOB who fit the Steeler mold quite well at the time. As for his QB skills ... just so-so, but with a very strong arm. In spite of the HOF and other awards, I don't think he ever performed individually as well as he wanted to or thought he could have, and in the twisted logic common among pro athletes, he blames the organization for not being viewed as the greatest QB ever.

[Fritz]

I blame Packerrats for me not being considered the greatest poster ever.

[pbmax]

I think Bradshaw has always felt that the Steelers never fully appreciated or respected him. He was a 5 year vet, and they tried to replace him as a starter with Joe Gilliam. I don't think he ever got over that. For most of his career, the media portrayed Bradshaw as a mere cog in the machine driven by the defense and the running game. Even in the passing game, Swann and Stallworth were portrayed as flawless, Bradshaw as the country rube who chucked it up in their general direction. The team did nothing to try to change the public's image of Bradshaw. Bradshaw has commented to the effect that the team didn't back him in those matters.

Personally, I think Bradshaw was a good leader and a tough SOB who fit the Steeler mold quite well at the time. As for his QB skills ... just so-so, but with a very strong arm. In spite of the HOF and other awards, I don't think he ever performed individually as well as he wanted to or thought he could have, and in the twisted logic common among pro athletes, he blames the organization for not being viewed as the greatest QB ever.

Bradshaw might never have flourished in today' offenses. He did not play in a manner that made you think he could be precise with a 3 and 5 step drop passing game. Of course, I am sure he would argue that with the right coaching, he could have done anything. I tend to think of his skills as pretty good, but he was a throwback compared to Joe Montana. He had more in common with Namath and Fouts and Fouts got to run an entirely different kind of offense.

But as a fan whose team was a victim of Bradshaw more times than I care to remember, he was more than fully capable of taking advantage of new passing rules in 1978. I don't remember the cog in the machine kind of coverage, but I was reading one group of writers seeking to deify an entire team (Pittsburgh) and another group (Cleveland) wondering how the hell the Browns had allowed the worst franchise in the league to surpass them. Neither group was busy denigrating Bradshaw by the time I was reading them.

With 2 Super Bowl MVPs (and the AP MVP) coming in the years where his passing sustained the team far more than rushing or defense (even the vaunted Steel Curtain wasn't as good as the pass offense in 77, 79 and 80), its not like he lacked for attention over his accomplishments. I have little doubt however, that this latter career recognition never erased the sting of previous doubts. It also might help explain why he was so downcast about not being able to continue his career in the 80s.

Nearly forgot about Gilliam, though I do remember Bradshaw was back as QB by the Super Bowl and threw all of ten times in that game (vs Vikings?).

[Cheesehead Craig]

I blame Packerrats for me not being considered the greatest poster ever.

It's really Brett's fault. If it wasn't for all the energy being put into this thread I'm sure there would be an equally long thread posted for your greatness. The universe could only handle one thread like this and he beat you out.

[Fritz]

I think you're onto something. It's all Brent's fault.

I want to be released so I can sign on with the Vikings' board.

[swede]

I think you're onto something. It's all Brent's fault.

I want to be released so I can sign on with the Vikings' board.

You would never endanger your legacy. I won't believe it until Rastak drives you to the Minneapolis Applebees for a simple conversation, and if the Packerrats playbook happens to come up in that conversation...it wouldn't really be tampering.