OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[woodbuck27]

Rodgers (6 post season victories, 1 SB victory)
EDIT: Favre (13 post season victories, 1 SB victory)

mis-post. Favre had 13 post season wins. Was 13-11. Was 4-7 after 1997.

Hey JH:

I'm FULL...FULL...FULL ON with Aaron Rodgers as he's our NO. 1 QB. I better be as Aaron Rodgers has just recently been rewarded with a rich contract that included a $40 million$ payout to him before this year is over and as I understood it.

Try to get that please.

This is the Favre thread. This is where I can post anything and Brett Favre as I work to help make 'any' sense of it all and Brett Favre.

Please don't allow that to upset or intimidate you.

RELAX please.

How's that for some effort to try and smooth things over? Gee I'm 'the diplomat' now.

GO PACK GO !

PS JH when it's meant to be hollow I post thus:

go pack go

[Scott Campbell]

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[Scott Campbell]

[Fritz]

Scott, your posts are mostly funny, but that one crossed a line.

Time, people. Give it time. It may take a few years, but it will happen.

In the meantime...responding to Patler's belief that very rare should be a jersey/number retirement...how about a compromise? Retire his jersey, and hang it so it looks like this:

Favre
4
Inches

[Carolina_Packer]

I think you have mostly hit upon the truth here. Brett did see the writing on the wall (AR) but had to get his release from this contract with GB so he could go to MN. When TT didn't give it to him the relationship really soured between team and player. It didn't help that Favre didn't file his reinstatement papers right away either. By the time BF did it didn't take long before he was traded to NY.

Hmm, I don't recall that he had asked TT to release him, but then it probably went something like this...

1. Fake retirement in March/April 2008
2. Spend summer plotting next move, still talking to the Packers occasionally, knowing that they still want you to play, not 100% sure of their belief in AR.
3. Training camp comes, "get the itch" (never really lose it?) to play again
4. Tell the Packers you are coming back, and reach the cross-roads of your career in Green Bay. Now the Packers can either A) Give you your job back or B) Move on with AR I still maintain he knew that if he came back so late that TT/MM would say no.
5. Once they told him he could be a backup, he asked for his release. Now, if Brett really got mad because Green Bay wouldn't simply release him, then his ego got the best of him. He should have known better. What club is going to just release him for no compensation? Answer=None. So was he faking being upset at that point, or just that delusional that he thought the team should release him to sign with whoever he wanted (Vikings).
6. Now the Packers had only one choice to make; trade him for the best compensation they could get. Keeping him around at that point wasn't going to be an option.

I loved watching him play, and appreciated all he gave the team, but during that episode, I was not happy with how he handled his business. He was like a kid who was not going to take responsibility for his own actions and the consequences of them. It's call manipulation. If he seriously thought the Packers should just release him with no thought of compensation, then he was seriously deluded. I think he just wanted to look like the good guy throughout, no matter how he acted.

After that happened, I knew Packer fans who lost their minds being mad at TT and the Packers. Why? Because they didn't automatically give Brett the starting job back. Because they felt like Favre had done so much for the Packers that the team should have kept his spot open indefinitely, no matter how disruptive his indecision was to the plans of the team. I seriously wondered if some of them weren't bigger Favre fans than they were Green Bay Packer fans. I realized that at some point I reach my limits with a player's behavior and I can't look past all of their actions, no matter how important they are to the team, and I don't put one player above the team.

[gbgary]

plenty of players finished their careers with other teams, and were welcomed back, but none had a scorched-earth policy like bf.

[pbmax]

Once it was clear the Packers did not want him back, he asked the Packers for his release.

The Packers stalled because they feared he would head right to Minnesota. But eventually, with all the paperwork filed they couldn't put the inevitable off for any longer and he flew north the night of the scrimmage.

After the series of meetings at Lambeau and with Brett at his house the Packers agreed they would try to trade him. So did he ask for his release? Yes, but was it after the Packers told him they had moved on? Yes.

[Pugger]

Hmm, I don't recall that he had asked TT to release him, but then it probably went something like this...

1. Fake retirement in March/April 2008
2. Spend summer plotting next move, still talking to the Packers occasionally, knowing that they still want you to play, not 100% sure of their belief in AR.
3. Training camp comes, "get the itch" (never really lose it?) to play again
4. Tell the Packers you are coming back, and reach the cross-roads of your career in Green Bay. Now the Packers can either A) Give you your job back or B) Move on with AR I still maintain he knew that if he came back so late that TT/MM would say no.
5. Once they told him he could be a backup, he asked for his release. Now, if Brett really got mad because Green Bay wouldn't simply release him, then his ego got the best of him. He should have known better. What club is going to just release him for no compensation? Answer=None. So was he faking being upset at that point, or just that delusional that he thought the team should release him to sign with whoever he wanted (Vikings).
6. Now the Packers had only one choice to make; trade him for the best compensation they could get. Keeping him around at that point wasn't going to be an option.

I loved watching him play, and appreciated all he gave the team, but during that episode, I was not happy with how he handled his business. He was like a kid who was not going to take responsibility for his own actions and the consequences of them. It's call manipulation. If he seriously thought the Packers should just release him with no thought of compensation, then he was seriously deluded. I think he just wanted to look like the good guy throughout, no matter how he acted.

After that happened, I knew Packer fans who lost their minds being mad at TT and the Packers. Why? Because they didn't automatically give Brett the starting job back. Because they felt like Favre had done so much for the Packers that the team should have kept his spot open indefinitely, no matter how disruptive his indecision was to the plans of the team. I seriously wondered if some of them weren't bigger Favre fans than they were Green Bay Packer fans. I realized that at some point I reach my limits with a player's behavior and I can't look past all of their actions, no matter how important they are to the team, and I don't put one player above the team.

If he still wanted to play for GB why would he wait knowing full well that MM and TT would move on with Rodgers if he dragged his feet? I suspect BF wanted out of GB for a couple of reasons (he was sick of playing in the cold and Rodgers being there) hoping if he waited long enough TT would give him his release just to stop the PR nightmare. I also believe when TT didn't release him from his contract the relationship between player and team went sour. But none of us will never know for sure unless someone writes a "tell-all" book in the future.

[Pugger]

Once it was clear the Packers did not want him back, he asked the Packers for his release.

The Packers stalled because they feared he would head right to Minnesota. But eventually, with all the paperwork filed they couldn't put the inevitable off for any longer and he flew north the night of the scrimmage.

After the series of meetings at Lambeau and with Brett at his house the Packers agreed they would try to trade him. So did he ask for his release? Yes, but was it after the Packers told him they had moved on? Yes.

Looking back there was a game of chicken going on on both sides. Favre played the waiting game hoping the Packers would tire of the PR mess and release him just to get him out of their hair. The Packers stood silently by hoping Favre would give it up and stay retired. Once they decided to move forward with Rodgers there was no way in hell they wanted Favre anywhere in the NFC. Technically TT and company didn't have to do a thing until Favre filed that paperwork. Once BF did it didn't take long before he was traded to NY.

[RashanGary]

Woodbuck, if you want to fit in with people, go to people who have similar interests (go to a Favre forum if there are any left.) If you want to argue with people and change their minds about something, just say it. You've never brought Packer fans together. You come here and fight about Favre. You split people up, then guilt people by trotting out your, "we're all Packer fans" BS. If you really wanted to bring people together, you'd bring people together. But that's not the result of your actions. The result is bickering and separation. Spare us the bullshit. And if you really want to bring people together, do it. I'd applaud you and respect you for it.

You're up to your moose horns in bullshit.

[Scott Campbell]

[swede]

If Woody quit being Woody he wouldn't be the...Maple Leaf Rag

[Carolina_Packer]

Bob Wolfley from JSOnline notes a recent interview with Favre and a Dallas radio station. Here is the link in case you have not read the comments.