He.... Had.... Plenty.... Of.... Time.... To.... Throw....

[cpk1994]

Re: He.... Had.... Plenty.... Of.... Time.... To.... Throw..

wow guys... Arod had plenty of time to throw...


If anything blame the WR's for not getting open or something..



But blaming the Oline for those sacks is insane...

you.....are....a.....blind....as.....a.....bat.... .assclown.....

[Pacopete4]

Re: He.... Had.... Plenty.... Of.... Time.... To.... Throw..

wow guys... Arod had plenty of time to throw...


If anything blame the WR's for not getting open or something..



But blaming the Oline for those sacks is insane...

you.....are....a.....blind....as.....a.....bat.... .assclown.....

Favre didn't have a problem last season did he?... how bout with an entirely different team?... k, awesome... its gonna be an up and down year, prepare for it now

[pbmax]

Rodgers definitely got caught just sitting in the pocket several times after having plenty of time to throw. Gannon caught that. But that wasn't the only thing happening.

The O Line got overrun in the middle and Tauscher had trouble with the LDE several times. It wasn't quite a fire drill, but there weren't as many opportunities for a young QB to regain his footing. Unless it was planned or there was an injury, Sitton got benched while the ones were out there and Colledge went in at RG.

My impression was that Rodgers got progressively more rattled as the game went on. He started fine. Then two drops, a blown blitz pickup and pressure made him a zombie back there, too worried to throw before a break or cut but too stubborn to pull it down and gain some yards out of the pocket. The run for 3 yards when it was 3rd and 4 told me his head wasn't in the game, it was about not being stupid or making a mistake.

Needs more swagger! :P

[pbmax]

Re: He.... Had.... Plenty.... Of.... Time.... To.... Throw..

Every year is different and there is a new starter and one other guy is playing another position. Not only that, but Tauscher struggled with the DE at times. He gave up a lot of room to that guy several times.

No doubt Favre made the O Line look better than it was last year with good reads and a quick trigger. But its way past time for the middle of line to figure it out. Tauscher, I hope, just had a bad game.

Favre didn't have a problem last season did he?... how bout with an entirely different team?... k, awesome... its gonna be an up and down year, prepare for it now

[imscott72]

Re: He.... Had.... Plenty.... Of.... Time.... To.... Throw..

wow guys... Arod had plenty of time to throw...


If anything blame the WR's for not getting open or something..



But blaming the Oline for those sacks is insane...

Which game were you watching? The one I saw illustrated a sieve of an interior line that couldn't block anyone for more than 2 seconds. 2 seconds isn't plenty of time. True enough he could have rolled out of the pocket and bought an extra couple of seconds, but the offensive line most certainly deserves the lions share of the blame. That was atrocious.

Absolutely agree. I didn't watch much of the 2nd half, but the first half the O line got owned by the 49er front 7 on several plays. I know on a particular 3rd a long I told my wife I just hope Arod didn't get killed on this play and sure enough a corner blitzed unblocked and Arod got blindsided. It was very disturbing to see.

[imscott72]

Excuses are for losers. Make a play to create time.

Except for Woodson and the hit by P. Lee, There were no plays in that game. Hell Driver and Lee even had piss poor drops.

Part of me has to wonder if its the ball Rodgers throws. Our steady receivers haven't been so steady lately and I am cannot figure out why.

Regardless, M3 needs to get on their case about this. Right now we look ordinary.

It's preseason Partial. It could just be the WR's shaking off some rust. I wouldn't read anything into that just yet. If they still are dropping easy balls in the 4th game of the preseason, then maybe I'd start to worry.

Eh that preseason excuse only goes so far for me. The 49ers made plays and we didn't. It's not like the WR's aren't practicing catching the ball. Those drops simply can't happen preseason or not. Those things tend to get in your head if they continue.

[pbmax]

If I recall, we had a case of the dropsies last season. I know Jones has it and I seem to remember Jennings and Driver having trouble for a couple games. It seemed to even out after a few games. Lee has no excuse. That was a nice, clear and lofted throw. Driver's was tougher, but I am not even sure he had to dive for that one.

Does anyone else remember tallying up the drops for Favre last year after a disappointing game? I seem to recall that kind of discussion. But imscott is right, it needs to go away. We need Jennings back.

[MJZiggy]

We need Ruvell back!

[ND72]

Re: He.... Had.... Plenty.... Of.... Time.... To.... Throw..

wow guys... Arod had plenty of time to throw...


If anything blame the WR's for not getting open or something..



But blaming the Oline for those sacks is insane...

you.....are....a.....blind....as.....a.....bat.... .assclown.....

Favre didn't have a problem last season did he?... how bout with an entirely different team?... k, awesome... its gonna be an up and down year, prepare for it now

[BallHawk]

We need Ruvell back!

They do say women are usually the most logical.....

[packerbacker1234]

Sportscenter had a clock "time in the pocket" for AR. He never had more than 2 seconds.

One of the plays, he had .8 seconds before he was sacked.

Again, wrong. Sports center showed three, count it, three of the sacks. One had 2 seconds. Another he has 1.56, the other was just over 1 second. Never had mroe then 2 seconds is a falicy. He had time MOST OF THE NIGHT. It wasn't just the 4 plays he got sacked, it was ll the plays he ended up throwing the ball away, or just misfiring.

There was a thing done on a science sports analysis thing with Ben Roethelesberger about how much time you to need take the snap, do a three step drop, and then throw the football before a rush would effect anything.

It took Big Ben, who doesn't exactly have the fastest release point, 1.5 seconds to do a three step drop, make a decision, and throw the ball before a rush could effect him.

2 seconds is a lifetime back there. I know comparing to favre is pointless, but just compare it to any of the good to great QB's in the league. A lot of times, especially with a rush, it's three step drop, decision, throw. With AR, it was Three step drop... no decision. Even on the palys he had forever to throw the ball... they call it "smart to throw it away". I call it "he took too long to decide what to do, and then everyone was covered". I think we all forget that this offense was built around the quick pass. THe 5 yard ouyt, the 5 to 10 yard slant. All plays that take a second and a half to 2 seconds from the time the ball is snapped to the time it goes in the air to happen. I just haven't seen that out of rodgers. He isn't make quick enough decisions and it's costing him.

I hope he gets better, because he has to start making decisions faster if he is going to make it out of week one injury free.

[ND72]

Sportscenter had a clock "time in the pocket" for AR. He never had more than 2 seconds.

One of the plays, he had .8 seconds before he was sacked.

Again, wrong. Sports center showed three, count it, three of the sacks. One had 2 seconds. Another he has 1.56, the other was just over 1 second. Never had mroe then 2 seconds is a falicy. He had time MOST OF THE NIGHT. It wasn't just the 4 plays he got sacked, it was ll the plays he ended up throwing the ball away, or just misfiring.

There was a thing done on a science sports analysis thing with Ben Roethelesberger about how much time you to need take the snap, do a three step drop, and then throw the football before a rush would effect anything.

It took Big Ben, who doesn't exactly have the fastest release point, 1.5 seconds to do a three step drop, make a decision, and throw the ball before a rush could effect him.

2 seconds is a lifetime back there. I know comparing to favre is pointless, but just compare it to any of the good to great QB's in the league. A lot of times, especially with a rush, it's three step drop, decision, throw. With AR, it was Three step drop... no decision. Even on the palys he had forever to throw the ball... they call it "smart to throw it away". I call it "he took too long to decide what to do, and then everyone was covered". I think we all forget that this offense was built around the quick pass. THe 5 yard ouyt, the 5 to 10 yard slant. All plays that take a second and a half to 2 seconds from the time the ball is snapped to the time it goes in the air to happen. I just haven't seen that out of rodgers. He isn't make quick enough decisions and it's costing him.

I hope he gets better, because he has to start making decisions faster if he is going to make it out of week one injury free.

disagree.

Sportcenter even said, "the average NFL pocket is 3.76 seconds"....listening to the post game last night on the radio, they even said Brett averaged around 3.46 seconds per pass last season, and Aaron last night was averaging around 2.11 per pass play.

non the less - we have always struggled vs. a 3-4 defense, and only getting 2 practice days to work against it, isn't going to help our young guys prepare for it.

[Bretsky]

We need Ruvell back!

They do say women are usually the most logical.....

You are way too young to start lying to women

[imscott72]

Sportscenter had a clock "time in the pocket" for AR. He never had more than 2 seconds.

One of the plays, he had .8 seconds before he was sacked.

2 seconds is a lifetime back there.

Maybe if you're running a slant route otherwise thats not near enough time for a go or an out route.

[packerbacker1234]

Sportscenter had a clock "time in the pocket" for AR. He never had more than 2 seconds.

One of the plays, he had .8 seconds before he was sacked.

Again, wrong. Sports center showed three, count it, three of the sacks. One had 2 seconds. Another he has 1.56, the other was just over 1 second. Never had mroe then 2 seconds is a falicy. He had time MOST OF THE NIGHT. It wasn't just the 4 plays he got sacked, it was ll the plays he ended up throwing the ball away, or just misfiring.

There was a thing done on a science sports analysis thing with Ben Roethelesberger about how much time you to need take the snap, do a three step drop, and then throw the football before a rush would effect anything.

It took Big Ben, who doesn't exactly have the fastest release point, 1.5 seconds to do a three step drop, make a decision, and throw the ball before a rush could effect him.

2 seconds is a lifetime back there. I know comparing to favre is pointless, but just compare it to any of the good to great QB's in the league. A lot of times, especially with a rush, it's three step drop, decision, throw. With AR, it was Three step drop... no decision. Even on the palys he had forever to throw the ball... they call it "smart to throw it away". I call it "he took too long to decide what to do, and then everyone was covered". I think we all forget that this offense was built around the quick pass. THe 5 yard ouyt, the 5 to 10 yard slant. All plays that take a second and a half to 2 seconds from the time the ball is snapped to the time it goes in the air to happen. I just haven't seen that out of rodgers. He isn't make quick enough decisions and it's costing him.

I hope he gets better, because he has to start making decisions faster if he is going to make it out of week one injury free.

disagree.

Sportcenter even said, "the average NFL pocket is 3.76 seconds"....listening to the post game last night on the radio, they even said Brett averaged around 3.46 seconds per pass last season, and Aaron last night was averaging around 2.11 per pass play.

non the less - we have always struggled vs. a 3-4 defense, and only getting 2 practice days to work against it, isn't going to help our young guys prepare for it.

I agree to disagree. Rodgers, on several occasions, had more then 2 seconds to throw the ball. The AVERAGE NFL pocket does last over 3.5 seconds, this is in fact true. Thats an average. Only a handful of times during a game do you have to take a three step drop, decide, and fire the ball. And, rodgers had to do it only a mere 3 times out of what, 14 passes? Thats small amount. If you watched the same game I did, minus the sacks, rodgers had pretty good time back there. Also, Brett last season, as I stated, scrambled quite a bit to get that extra time. I know, it's an excuse, but it holds true.

Just saying, average time in a pocket doesn't really equate to small sample portion of game. These siotuations rodgers faced comes up in every game for every QB... and he couldn't get it done. Averages mean nothing when you NEED TO SCORE. There were games last year (like philly in game one), where if brett had more then second and a half on a throw it was a miracle. Crappy teams can cahnge stuff, hence averages don't mean much to me in the end.

Still, I just expect rodgers to do enough to win games. We finish 6 - 10, with QB being the only significant change, it's going to rough on Rodgers from a media, and fan, standpoint, and rougher on managment if favre does well with the jets.