6-10 ............. Who is to blame?

[Gunakor]

With all this being said this is the last dam year I want to hear the "we're the youngest team in the NFL" talk

Read my previous post B. The youth isn't the problem either. It's the more veteran group that is struggling the most. The LB's, the OT's, the DL... That's where the veterans are and that's where the biggest problems have come from. I don't have a problem being the youngest team in the league if the young players on the youngest team in the league are playing well.

[Pugger]

Give it up Gunakor. These fellas would never admit that the only reason they hate TT is he traded away BF. End of story.

[The Shadow]

Give it up Gunakor. These fellas would never admit that the only reason they hate TT is he traded away BF. End of story.

Sad, but completely true. The Cult will never forgive, even though the move was an extremely good move.

[retailguy]

Give it up Gunakor. These fellas would never admit that the only reason they hate TT is he traded away BF. End of story.

I don't dislike Ted because he traded Favre. I think that was the right move. There are plenty of other questionable moves that he's made.

Next year, we'll see what happens.

[Bretsky]

Give it up Gunakor. These fellas would never admit that the only reason they hate TT is he traded away BF. End of story.

First off I'm in the middle on TT; but it's pretty well documented I was not a lover WAY before any of this Favre nonsense started up. My views on TT have improved from two years ago.....again........WAY before the Favre stuff started up

[Bretsky]

With all this being said this is the last dam year I want to hear the "we're the youngest team in the NFL" talk

Read my previous post B. The youth isn't the problem either. It's the more veteran group that is struggling the most. The LB's, the OT's, the DL... That's where the veterans are and that's where the biggest problems have come from. I don't have a problem being the youngest team in the league if the young players on the youngest team in the league are playing well.

Part of the problem is the youth note developing as we figured it would...or taking longer. I do think TT will see more urgency this year and play in free agency instead of the draft game for the future....figuring he's OK at all the positions because players will develop.

With a good offseason this team can get right back into the playoffs next year and be dangerous.

[esoxx]

Give it up Gunakor. These fellas would never admit that the only reason they hate TT is he traded away BF. End of story.

[GBRulz]

Give it up Gunakor. These fellas would never admit that the only reason they hate TT is he traded away BF. End of story.

I disagree. Those of us who have been less than thrilled with TT have expressed so way before the BF soap opera began.

Our team is quite possibly on the verge of going from 13-3 to 5-11. That is absolutely inexcusable. It's time to stop stock piling draft picks and start to fill some holes with veteran leadership. I'm not saying break the bank, but there has to be a balance here.

Where do we have the most veteran leadership on our team? Is it just a coincidence that it is also where we excel?

[wist43]

I blame TT more than anybody else... for all the reasons stated repeatedly in this thread.

Word is, Sanders is out as DC... I'll believe it when I see it.

They have so many holes to fill... don't see how they can possibly get all of the existing holes filled, and at the same time fill holes that will come about b/c of FA loss, or loss of production due to age.

They are weak at DT, missing on Harrell is killing them; both corners will be history w/in two years, with no real replacements on the roster (maybe Williams); Clifton and Taush are at the end, and the OL as a whole has been very shaky; et al.

That's a lot to overcome in a short amount of time... we're already looking 2-3 years down the road - years 6-7 of TT's regime.

[Partial]

Give it up Gunakor. These fellas would never admit that the only reason they hate TT is he traded away BF. End of story.

Sad, but completely true. The Cult will never forgive, even though the move was an extremely good move.

Extremely good move? How so? We are getting a third round pick, fine, we'll add another backup safety to the mix.

People don't like TT because he hasn't done anything yet. He took a team to the championship game on the arm of the guy they traded away, then they came back and followed it up with a dissapointing campaign.

Personally, I don't care anymore that they traded Favre. I'm over it. TT has shown that he isn't bullet prove with suspect drafts and a lack of free agent signings thus far. If he intends to build primarily through the draft, he needs to work harder, study more, and become better at drafting.

4 seasons in, his record is 30-33 at this point. While the first year he doesn't get all of the blame for, he still has been over .500 one of the three years.

So far TT has been about average, it would be difficult to dispute that to this point, but he still has time to show that he is better than that.

Personally, I believe that once it is decided that someone is average after having a period to show what they are capable of, you've got to move on. Average isn't good enough to win super bowls in the NFL.

[cpk1994]

Give it up Gunakor. These fellas would never admit that the only reason they hate TT is he traded away BF. End of story.

First off I'm in the middle on TT; but it's pretty well documented I was not a lover WAY before any of this Favre nonsense started up. My views on TT have improved from two years ago.....again........WAY before the Favre stuff started up

I wouldn't say its BS. While it may not apply to you, it applies to others *cough* Paco *cough*. *cough* Partial *cough*.

[Bretsky]

Give it up Gunakor. These fellas would never admit that the only reason they hate TT is he traded away BF. End of story.

First off I'm in the middle on TT; but it's pretty well documented I was not a lover WAY before any of this Favre nonsense started up. My views on TT have improved from two years ago.....again........WAY before the Favre stuff started up

I wouldn't say its BS. While it may not apply to you, it applies to others *cough* Paco *cough*. *cough* Partial *cough*.

I honestly do not remember Paco's views before Favre's departure

But I would attest that Partial had beef's with TT far before the Favre conflict

[GrnBay007]

Give it up Gunakor. These fellas would never admit that the only reason they hate TT is he traded away BF. End of story.

First off I'm in the middle on TT; but it's pretty well documented I was not a lover WAY before any of this Favre nonsense started up. My views on TT have improved from two years ago.....again........WAY before the Favre stuff started up

I wouldn't say its BS. While it may not apply to you, it applies to others *cough* Paco *cough*. *cough* Partial *cough*.

Good Lord People!!!! WHO CARES if or why people might not like TT. That is their decision/opinion. Who are any of you to say who's right or wrong? It's an opinion for Christ's sake! This board might get back to the quality it used to be if people would be able to state their opinion without being bashed all over the place.

This is a Packer forum.........not a TT, AR love fest board!!!

[gex]

Give it up Gunakor. These fellas would never admit that the only reason they hate TT is he traded away BF. End of story.

First off I'm in the middle on TT; but it's pretty well documented I was not a lover WAY before any of this Favre nonsense started up. My views on TT have improved from two years ago.....again........WAY before the Favre stuff started up

I wouldn't say its BS. While it may not apply to you, it applies to others *cough* Paco *cough*. *cough* Partial *cough*.

Good Lord People!!!! WHO CARES if or why people might not like TT. That is their decision/opinion. Who are any of you to say who's right or wrong? It's an opinion for Christ's sake! This board might get back to the quality it used to be if people would be able to state their opinion without being bashed all over the place.

This is a Packer forum.........not a TT, AR love fest board!!!

[cpk1994]

Give it up Gunakor. These fellas would never admit that the only reason they hate TT is he traded away BF. End of story.

First off I'm in the middle on TT; but it's pretty well documented I was not a lover WAY before any of this Favre nonsense started up. My views on TT have improved from two years ago.....again........WAY before the Favre stuff started up

I wouldn't say its BS. While it may not apply to you, it applies to others *cough* Paco *cough*. *cough* Partial *cough*.

Good Lord People!!!! WHO CARES if or why people might not like TT. That is their decision/opinion. Who are any of you to say who's right or wrong? It's an opinion for Christ's sake! This board might get back to the quality it used to be if people would be able to state their opinion without being bashed all over the place.

This is a Packer forum.........not a TT, AR love fest board!!!

Yeah, and it isn't a Favre love fest board either.