6-10 ............. Who is to blame?

[GrnBay007]

Give it up Gunakor. These fellas would never admit that the only reason they hate TT is he traded away BF. End of story.

First off I'm in the middle on TT; but it's pretty well documented I was not a lover WAY before any of this Favre nonsense started up. My views on TT have improved from two years ago.....again........WAY before the Favre stuff started up

I wouldn't say its BS. While it may not apply to you, it applies to others *cough* Paco *cough*. *cough* Partial *cough*.

Good Lord People!!!! WHO CARES if or why people might not like TT. That is their decision/opinion. Who are any of you to say who's right or wrong? It's an opinion for Christ's sake! This board might get back to the quality it used to be if people would be able to state their opinion without being bashed all over the place.

This is a Packer forum.........not a TT, AR love fest board!!!

Yeah, and it isn't a Favre love fest board either.

LOL ...and looks who keeps bringing his name up. Lately it's the stat mongers.

[BZnDallas]

hey ladies and gents... i'm back!!... i've been having some computer problems lately so haven't been able to give my excellent and much missed opinions on the pack... i only skimmed through the 9 pages before i decided to give my blame for this year... although it isn't all his fault i believe alot of the blame lies on Bob Sanders... his defense has played very shitty in the 4th quarter this year... AR and our offense has had the lead or tied in something like 6 or 7 of our losses this year and the defense has blown it...

now being down here in dallas, i have gotten a much unwanted view of how the dallas D has been playing lately and since Wade Phillips has taken over they have really improved... I know Jerry Jones has said that WP isn't going anywhere but i wouldn't trust JJ for shit!... in my opinion i would love it if JJ fired WP and Ted & Mike hired him to take over for our defense... i know we run a 4-3 and Phillips is best in a 3-4 scheme but the man knows defense and he might be able to run a hybrid of both with some of the skill players we have on that side of the ball... i know some of you will bitch b/c that is what we do on here but its just one mans opinion... thanks alot and i'm glad to be back - hopefully!... hahaha

[Gunakor]

Give it up Gunakor. These fellas would never admit that the only reason they hate TT is he traded away BF. End of story.

First off I'm in the middle on TT; but it's pretty well documented I was not a lover WAY before any of this Favre nonsense started up. My views on TT have improved from two years ago.....again........WAY before the Favre stuff started up

I wouldn't say its BS. While it may not apply to you, it applies to others *cough* Paco *cough*. *cough* Partial *cough*.

Good Lord People!!!! WHO CARES if or why people might not like TT. That is their decision/opinion. Who are any of you to say who's right or wrong? It's an opinion for Christ's sake! This board might get back to the quality it used to be if people would be able to state their opinion without being bashed all over the place.

This is a Packer forum.........not a TT, AR love fest board!!!

Yeah, and it isn't a Favre love fest board either.

LOL ...and looks who keeps bringing his name up. Lately it's the stat mongers.

It's not just the stat mongers. I don't know if you've realized, but some of the people we argue with are just as likely to bring Brett into a conversation to smear the Packers as CPK is to smear Favre. CPK mentioned a couple of them in his response to Bretsky. While I think Partial is far less guilty of doing this than CPK says he is, Paco is absolutely the worst poster here as far as bringing Brett into threads - and does so specifically to smear TT and AR. I don't see how that's any different than CPK bringing Favre into threads to argue his position.

My idea would simply be to go with the "This is a Packer forum" theory and just keep Favre out of all threads, both positive and negative. I mean, after all, Favre is a Jet. Not a Packer. I think removing Favre related material from every post made from here on out would be best to keep the bickering and arguing to a minimum.

[retailguy]

Gunakor,

we can't do that. First off, SkinBasket would die of a heart attack. Second, Favre has meant more to this team than anyone since probably Vince Lombardi. (Note, that's MY opinion.)

Finally, people need to do a better job of policing themselves. If someone wants to bring up Favre to bash Thompson, just IGNORE it.

We police in the background. Several people are periodically warned, some only once, others... well, much more than that.

Talking about Brett Favre in a Packers forum? Ought to be just fine.

We should listen to 007. The voice of reason. CPK, you look downright silly arguing with her. She kicked your tail with both hands tied behind her back. And you, poking fun at PACO? LOL. Pot meet kettle.

[Partial]

Gunakor,

we can't do that. First off, SkinBasket would die of a heart attack. Second, Favre has meant more to this team than anyone since probably Vince Lombardi. (Note, that's MY opinion.)

Finally, people need to do a better job of policing themselves. If someone wants to bring up Favre to bash Thompson, just IGNORE it.

We police in the background. Several people are periodically warned, some only once, others... well, much more than that.

Talking about Brett Favre in a Packers forum? Ought to be just fine.

We should listen to 007. The voice of reason. CPK, you look downright silly arguing with her. She kicked your tail with both hands tied behind her back. And you, poking fun at PACO? LOL. Pot meet kettle.

smart man right here.

[Gunakor]

Gunakor,

we can't do that. First off, SkinBasket would die of a heart attack. Second, Favre has meant more to this team than anyone since probably Vince Lombardi. (Note, that's MY opinion.)

Finally, people need to do a better job of policing themselves. If someone wants to bring up Favre to bash Thompson, just IGNORE it.

We police in the background. Several people are periodically warned, some only once, others... well, much more than that.

Talking about Brett Favre in a Packers forum? Ought to be just fine.

We should listen to 007. The voice of reason. CPK, you look downright silly arguing with her. She kicked your tail with both hands tied behind her back. And you, poking fun at PACO? LOL. Pot meet kettle.

007 is a great poster here. I have nothing at all to say negatively about her. That said, she and others cannot only allow the Favre related material that agrees with their point of view while telling detractors to keep their thoughts out of this board. If we are to just ignore those who post Favre related material to smear TT and MM, then I'd expect you guys to just ignore Favre related material that smears Brett Favre. If you want CPK and I and others to just ignore Paco, then I'd hope you and 007 and others could just ignore CPK. That sounds like a fair solution to me if we want to keep allowing Favre discussion here at PR.

[cpk1994]

Gunakor,

we can't do that. First off, SkinBasket would die of a heart attack. Second, Favre has meant more to this team than anyone since probably Vince Lombardi. (Note, that's MY opinion.)

Finally, people need to do a better job of policing themselves. If someone wants to bring up Favre to bash Thompson, just IGNORE it.

We police in the background. Several people are periodically warned, some only once, others... well, much more than that.

Talking about Brett Favre in a Packers forum? Ought to be just fine.

We should listen to 007. The voice of reason. CPK, you look downright silly arguing with her. She kicked your tail with both hands tied behind her back. And you, poking fun at PACO? LOL. Pot meet kettle.

1. I wasn't arguing with 007. I merely pointed out that while she mentioned it shouldn't be a Rodgers/ARod lovefest board, it shouldn't be a Favre lovefest board either, which is what she has been guilty of at times.

2. As far as Paco goes, he ADMITTED he was a troll. He ADMITS he hates ARod. So, of cousre I am going to poke at him. Thats what he wants.

[GrnBay007]

1. I wasn't arguing with 007. I merely pointed out that while she mentioned it shouldn't be a Rodgers/ARod lovefest board, it shouldn't be a Favre lovefest board either, which is what she has been guilty of at times.

I'm pretty sure I've keep everything Brett Favre in the Favre thread....which I thought was an "agreement" we all had here.

The only reason I said that about the TT/AR lovefest board is because it seems anyone questioning them or maybe even not liking them is called out, sometimes ridiculed and thrown to the lions. Not everyone that doesn't care for TT is upset at him for trading Favre. And even it if is their reason....it's an opinion. Everyone deserves to have one!

[cpk1994]

1. I wasn't arguing with 007. I merely pointed out that while she mentioned it shouldn't be a Rodgers/ARod lovefest board, it shouldn't be a Favre lovefest board either, which is what she has been guilty of at times.

I'm pretty sure I've keep everything Brett Favre in the Favre thread....which I thought was an "agreement" we all had here.

The only reason I said that about the TT/AR lovefest board is because it seems anyone questioning them or maybe even not liking them is called out, sometimes ridiculed and thrown to the lions. Not everyone that doesn't care for TT is upset at him for trading Favre. And even it if is their reason....it's an opinion. Everyone deserves to have one!

ANd thats fine. But when you bash Arod in order to smear and take shots at TT and MM(Paco and others)becuase you are pissed that they traded Favre thats no longer an opinion. Thats what I take issue with.

[GrnBay007]

I haven't bashed AR. But you just go ahead and think that way. I'm out of this conversation.....it's just nonsense and dragging it on and on.

[cpk1994]

I haven't bashed AR. But you just go ahead and think that way. I'm out of this conversation.....it's just nonsense and dragging it on and on.

I never said you did. But there are those(and you know who you are) that have.

[GrnBay007]

I haven't bashed AR. But you just go ahead and think that way. I'm out of this conversation.....it's just nonsense and dragging it on and on.

I never said you did. But there are those(and you know who you are) that have.

So then why bring out the worst in yourself... just because others do? Take the high road....it will make you feel good.

[PackerBlues]

I have nothing against Arod, I think he did real good this year playing within the system. I do think that he needs to develop better pocket presence.

As far as Thompson, this should be the year that he goes out and gets some veteran talent. While I have bitched about this for quite a while, now I think it would be in Thompsons best interest to look for a big name player to appease the fans. If going from 13-3 to 6-10 isnt enough to light a fire under his ass to bring in better talent........

[Bub]

I think the reason for our disappointing season is the number of penalties we had this year. It seemed like whenever we had a big play or big stop, a penalty would bail out the other team. Given the number of close games we were in this year, a few more calls going our way could have turned some of those games around.

As much as I don't like blaming the coaching staff for this, it's really their fault. This really needs to be a focus of the off season. No more stupid penalties.

[Bub]

I think the reason for our disappointing season is the number of penalties we had this year. It seemed like whenever we had a big play or big stop, a penalty would bail out the other team. Given the number of close games we were in this year, a few more calls going our way could have turned some of those games around.

As much as I don't like blaming the coaching staff for this, it's really their fault. This really needs to be a focus of the off season. No more stupid penalties.

This could also have to do with the youth of our team, even though our veterans like Cliffy and Harris had more then their fair share of flags.