6-10 ............. Who is to blame?

[LEWCWA]

There is plenty of blame to go around. This defense makes some big plays, but seem to be pretty weak to me. The always seem to be dragging the guy down, instead of standing players up and stopping them in their tracks. The ST has been pretty bad. The offense has been inconsistent to say the least. The play calling has seemed very conservative at the most inopportune(sp) times, and wide open when you think hey just run it down their throat. Specifically--Barnett was a bigger loss than some expected, Hawk seems like an avg linebacker to me, Pop is not good. Everyone on DL has been subpar, even Kampman in my opinion.....Grant isn't the LT type player good Ole Tex made him out to be! Our TE's just suck. And last but not least Mr. Rodgers has let the team down a few times, when he had a chance to put the team on his shoulders at the end of games to win! A great QB will put his team on his shoulders and win a couple....Had he done that just 2 times out of 5 chances this team would be 7-5 and looking to finish strong for the playoffs!

[denverYooper]

There is plenty of blame to go around. This defense makes some big plays, but seem to be pretty weak to me. The always seem to be dragging the guy down, instead of standing players up and stopping them in their tracks. The ST has been pretty bad. The offense has been inconsistent to say the least. The play calling has seemed very conservative at the most inopportune(sp) times, and wide open when you think hey just run it down their throat. Specifically--Barnett was a bigger loss than some expected, Hawk seems like an avg linebacker to me, Pop is not good. Everyone on DL has been subpar, even Kampman in my opinion.....Grant isn't the LT type player good Ole Tex made him out to be! Our TE's just suck. And last but not least Mr. Rodgers has let the team down a few times, when he had a chance to put the team on his shoulders at the end of games to win! A great QB will put his team on his shoulders and win a couple....Had he done that just 2 times out of 5 chances this team would be 7-5 and looking to finish strong for the playoffs!

You're one of those glass half full types, aren't you?

[Tarlam!]

You're one of those glass half full types, aren't you?

Now, that was funny!

[Packers4Ever]

Well, I have given this a lot of thought. Looks to me like the blame lies with Bob Harlan.

Harlan hired Wolf,and Wolf:
-let Vonnie Holiday get away, who is still playing today and would help the DL
-let Hentrich walk, who still punts today and would be better than Frost.
-failed to get a credible OL or Dl player in 1999
-wasted a 1st round pick on Antuan Edwards in 1999, could have taken Patrick Kearney, Dre Bly and a host of others who were available
-wasted a third round pick on Steve Warren in 2000. Should have done better.
-hired Ray Rhodes as coach, necessitating change within a year
-hired as coach and then recommended as GM Mr. Mike Sherman. Had he not hired him as coach, he would not have recommended him as GM. Had he not screwed up with Rhodes, Sherman would never have seen Green Bay.

Wolf screwing up the Rhodes hiring, necessitating the Sherman hiring, resulting in the Sherman elevation to GM caused the following:
-draft screw-ups too numerous to mention
-letting Josh Bidwell leave, a Wolf draft pick who could still be punting today
-DB coach firing pissing of McKenzie leading to his departure.
-mind boggling FA signings and vet resignings making a tight cap situation.

This, of course ultimately lead to the downfall of Sherman as GM. leading to the hiring of TT, and as we all know:
-TT is so tight that he let all-pros and other good players leave
-he refuses to sign free agents that fans want
-he refused to sign FAs that Favre wanted, pissing off Favre
-leading to the Favre annual debacle
-ultimately running Favre out of town.

Of course, if he were here, Favre would have completed every pass, most going for TDs and the Packers would be undefeated.

So yes, it is all Bob Harlans fault. He screwed up by hiring Ron Wolf, which ultimately lead to the Packers record this year.

Beautiful, Patler !!

I think each of us needs to do a print-out here and hang it on the refrig.,

door, any place as a reminder of "whose fault."

[SnakeLH2006]

Let's get to the nuts and guts:

M3 was pretty good last year/no complaints from many on here, yet many conservative/questionable calls have been made. Let's start there. M3 is a good coach, but hasn't won any games with playcalling thus far this year.

TT, well many have been back and forth with this guy, but injuries do come in and relying consistently on 21-24 year olds in a consistent youth-scheme does nothing when injuries set in. I put some blame there.

O-Line...Everyone knew Cliffy and Tauch weren't gonna last forever. But having no real plan to offset some aging (their injuries were gonna come) other than put Moll and Barbre in the starting lineup is not M3's fault but TT's for not maybe getting us at least one deece vet with a solid contract to fall back on...Jet's seemed to have done well with that, even with all the lambasting on their "overspending" in the offseason at OL. This goes back to TT.

RB....Been a huge B-Jack fan, and not so much a Grant fan, and scouts have echoed the fact that Grant is not a gamechanger this year. I made 2 topics on this and again, we are back to square one. Should B-Jack be starting, or is Grant not as good as it looked with Brett last year when no one cared about him?

WR..injuries....but why is JJ not playing more? Don't tell me Jordy is a bigger threat or Ruvell cuz he's ARod's bestest pal. Coaching there, grow some balls M3 and get your best on the field.

DL....lots of injuries....Cullen was man-beastin' for sure....and Kampy is not an All-Pro with no one to help him. Feel sorry for Kamp. But we all were happy to "get rid" of C-Will but this really hurt us when both of our DT's are underwhelming this year vs. last year. This goes on TT...he made that decision to cut C-Will lose.

LB....hard to fault anyone here...lots of injuries.

Secondary....Much better than last year overall. Promote Kurt Schotty? Just kidding...but they've done very well.

ST...very inconsistent. Goes back to coaching.

QB....put this last, cuz it's inflammatory to speak of on here, but seen EVERY game Brett and ARod have ever played and talked at length lately about both with many Packer buddies... Peeps say on here that they have similar stats, so don't blame ARod.. I don't, but he has been very underwhelming in clutch situtations....fumbles, picks, bad passes, but that is to be expected of a 1st year starter. Favre would have done better in the clutch by at least a bit. FACT. But I place no blame on Arod cuz we shouldn't have been in those many situations thus far vs. teams we are better than (yet have lost 4 games by 4 points.).

Snake's Take:

Bottom line...injuries have hurt us, but we still have talent to be a top 10 team by many NFL observers.

If you take the team position by position, M3 has underwhelmed in making poor gametime/late decisions. But he only has the tools given him and I put equal blame on TT for not giving M3 the backups with some experience to put him in a position to win. With Favre traded (tried real hard and did well to exclude him from this post) we should have been ready to be a championship team esp. after last year.

Wow, how underwhelming this team has been, but I still want them to win, even now. Put it on our management and not the players overall. That's how this season has rolled thus far.

[Fritz]

Don't we usually just blame Kurt Schottenheimer?

[Gunakor]

Don't we usually just blame Kurt Schottenheimer?

Can't do it this year, because Shotty's unit is the lone bright spot on the defense. Maybe he finally gets it, or maybe his players finally get it, but his unit has performed remarkably well this season - litany of injuries and all. Shotty isn't the problem in 2008.

[Fred's Slacks]

O-Line...Everyone knew Cliffy and Tauch weren't gonna last forever. But having no real plan to offset some aging (their injuries were gonna come) other than put Moll and Barbre in the starting lineup is not M3's fault but TT's for not maybe getting us at least one deece vet with a solid contract to fall back on...Jet's seemed to have done well with that, even with all the lambasting on their "overspending" in the offseason at OL. This goes back to TT.

But have Moll or Sitton or anyone we've had to throw in there performed badly? I'd have to say our OLine depth has been pretty good. The only problem has been the poor play of the vets Clifton and Wells. Clifton appears to have rebounded but I thought that one other time this year then we saw a relapse in the second MN game. To me it seems they do have a real plan for replacing the old guys. The old guys just aren't done playing yet.

[Packerarcher]

Who is to blame,well that is pretty easy TT all the way as usual. The scary thing is this same thread will be up next year unless TT is gone.

[Lurker64]

Who is to blame,well that is pretty easy TT all the way as usual. The scary thing is this same thread will be up next year unless TT is gone.

At first I thought about pointing out to you that Thompson fielded basically the same squad as he did last year, with the notable exception being at the QB position but Rodgers has played up to and exceeded all expectations and has comparable numbers to the guy who played the position the previous year; the essential differences being things like "schedule" and "injuries", both of which we were in better shape last year than this year; and that really if you're going to be happy with the roster that went 13-3 last year you ought to be happy with this year's roster, since they are essentially the same and if you are happy with the roster, you ought to have no beef with the GM once the season has started.

Then I realized it wouldn't be worth the trouble to type all that because you're just a troll.

Injuries are part of football, so is luck. C'est la guerre. If we played close games like we did last year, we'd be 10-2 or 9-3 at this point.

[Packerarcher]

Who is to blame,well that is pretty easy TT all the way as usual. The scary thing is this same thread will be up next year unless TT is gone.

At first I thought about pointing out to you that Thompson fielded basically the same squad as he did last year, with the notable exception being at the QB position but Rodgers has played up to and exceeded all expectations and has comparable numbers to the guy who played the position the previous year; the essential differences being things like "schedule" and "injuries", both of which we were in better shape last year than this year; and that really if you're going to be happy with the roster that went 13-3 last year you ought to be happy with this year's roster, since they are essentially the same and if you are happy with the roster, you ought to have no beef with the GM once the season has started.



Then I realized it wouldn't be worth the trouble to type all that because you're just a troll.

Injuries are part of football, so is luck. C'est la guerre. If we played close games like we did last year, we'd be 10-2 or 9-3 at this point.

Call me what ever you want but I will be back to remind you that your beloved TT has fucked up again. The man is the downfall to what was once a great football team.

[BobDobbs]

I think that there is more going on than just injuries and schedule. The schedule definitely seems tougher. The NFC South has owned us this year. But, we had the East last year and that's a tough division too. I think the biggest injury has been Jenkins, but Ryan Grant's hamstring could also be number one.

There's more though. We really lack consistency. The play of the lines has been all over the place. And players that performed at a high level last year have not this year. Namely, Ryan Pickett, Nick Barnett, KGB and Atari Bigby. Injuries have been huge, but we were very lucky last year.

Also, people can say that Rodgers has similar stats to Favre, but he has done nothing like what Favre did in the Denver or Kansas City. Granted, he also hasn't done anything like what Favre did in Chicago either.

I think the defense is being figured out, because it is simple and requires a pass rush that we don't have. We've basically lost 3 out of our top 4 pass rushers from last year so that's pretty simple.

On offense the coaching staff has been afraid or unable to open it up. If JJ could start doing damage on underneath routes maybe that would free up the top two to take it deep a little more often. I think that there is a legitimate question as to whether Aaron can threaten the whole field at this point in his career. McCarthy can be creative as evidenced by the second Minnesota game last year, but he has been very predictable this year.

P.S. We've all been watching what has been happening on special teams

[Bretsky]

IMO much of this still goes back to the DL

We let Corey Williams go and brough in nobody remotely capable of doing what he did.........and inside pass rush from the DT position.

Jenkins was playing hurt much of last year and is hurt again. He really didn't produce much last year so I can't just say, "Jenkins is hurt".

KGB coming off surgery; gotta see that and make plans for the possiblity that he does not recover.

You guys can lay the blame; but either the coaches, or TT, had faith in who we have and felt they could pick up the slack.
It's not getting done

Harrell has been just a guy
Many others on that DL are as well
None of these young guys have really stepped up their play

And Vanilla Bob surely maximizes their ability on the defensive sides with his creative schemes that are sure to cause confusion to the opposeing offense

Bottom line is our personnell at DL do not get it done.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Harrell has been just a guy.

unfortunately he hasn't been that good. He looked like a liability last game.

The real embarassment on that line is Montgomery. Oh my god, he is awful. awful slow, awful weak. The defensive ends other than Kampman are practice squad grade. Jermemy Thompson would be a practice squad guy if he hadn't been drafted high, and he is the cream of the crap.

[Fritz]

Harrell has been just a guy.

unfortunately he hasn't been that good. He looked like a liability last game.

The real embarassment on that line is Montgomery. Oh my god, he is awful. awful slow, awful weak. The defensive ends other than Kampman are practice squad grade. Jermemy Thompson would be a practice squad guy if he hadn't been drafted high, and he is the cream of the crap.

You slay me, Blue Dog.