6-10 ............. Who is to blame?

[Gunakor]

I blame Frost. He has is no longer a Packer and should be fair game.

I blame Ned Yost..

Think if we hire Svuem as the interim coach we could sneak into the playoffs?

[gex]

Blame starts at the top. Those are the guys who dictate who is in what position, and give MM the players he coaches.

He gets the praise for 13-3, he gets the blame for 5-8. Fair is fair.

[PackerBlues]

Fortunately for all of Sherman's tenure as GM, he had players inherited from the Wolf era that were good enough to overcome his incompetence.

Whatever you gotta tell yourself PB.

It seems that PB has blocked from his memory such great moves as drafting BJ Sander, trading two picks for R-Cal Truluck, Joe Johnson, Keeping two punters after Sander bombed, etc.

We could go back and forth all day long on who was better at drafting, but one simple fact remains: Sherman always fielded a winning team.

It was not until Thompson took over as GM, that the Packers went from being a team that you expected to make the playoffs, to being a team that you hope will make the playoffs (with luck).

I honestly do not expect Thompsons job to be in jeopardy yet, but if I were him, I would seriously reconsider my approch to picking up veteran free agents. One more season like this one, and............

[Fritz]

We can go back and forth on this all day long, but by golly, Vince Lombardi won some Super Bowls, dammit.

[PackerTimer]

Fortunately for all of Sherman's tenure as GM, he had players inherited from the Wolf era that were good enough to overcome his incompetence.

Whatever you gotta tell yourself PB.

It seems that PB has blocked from his memory such great moves as drafting BJ Sander, trading two picks for R-Cal Truluck, Joe Johnson, Keeping two punters after Sander bombed, etc.

We could go back and forth all day long on who was better at drafting, but one simple fact remains: Sherman always fielded a winning team.

It was not until Thompson took over as GM, that the Packers went from being a team that you expected to make the playoffs, to being a team that you hope will make the playoffs (with luck).

I honestly do not expect Thompsons job to be in jeopardy yet, but if I were him, I would seriously reconsider my approch to picking up veteran free agents. One more season like this one, and............

You do know that Sherman inherited a talent laden team only a few years removed from playing in back-to-back Super Bowls, right? He inherited one of the top 5 QB's in the history of the NFL in his prime. He had a ton of talent when he took over as the coach and GM but did absolutely nothing to maintain that level of talent. The team would have been 4-12 that year whether or not TT took over or not. Sherman had completely exhausted most of the talent on the team. What talent was left was aging and in decline. Sherman probably would have overpaid his aging veterans and exasberated the problems. We would have been like the Ravens, eventually you would have seen massive cap casualties and massive cuts with millions of dollars of dead money counting against the salary cap. The jury is still out on TT, I think he knows what he's doing. I'd still like to see him improve and maybe sign some FA's. Despite what everybody says about him he has shown that he'll pay FA's if he thinks they are worth it. I respect that you don't like TT. Like I said, the jury might still be out on TT, but it's in on Mike Sherman, he was a pretty good coach and an absolutely horrible GM.

[MateoInMex]

The mere thought of Mike Charmin anywhere near the GB Packers facility makes me throw up in my mouth a little.

What a waste of 5 years watching that guy's team take the field. I will say that no matter how shitty his FA signings were, at least that guy looked at Free Agency...but admittedly, he fell asleep at that combines, so that makes him Bizarr-o Thompson.

[th87]

Sherman played to make the playoffs and then hope for the best.

Thompson plays for a championship or nothing at all.

[Bretsky]

Sherman played to make the playoffs and then hope for the best.

Thompson plays for a championship or nothing at all.

That's an argument I find hard to see

Sherman was going for the gusto; it's what he did in free agency and Joe Johnson was perfect proof. He was always playing for the now

I don't see TT as that way "yet". I'm not sure if he'll ever take that step.

TT seems to run the show for the long term future; not the now. Just the way I see it

[HarveyWallbangers]

He gets the praise for 13-3, he gets the blame for 5-8. Fair is fair.

I remember a lot of people NOT giving him praise for 13-3, but you are right this time.

[th87]

Sherman played to make the playoffs and then hope for the best.

Thompson plays for a championship or nothing at all.

That's an argument I find hard to see

Sherman was going for the gusto; it's what he did in free agency and Joe Johnson was perfect proof. He was always playing for the now

I don't see TT as that way "yet". I'm not sure if he'll ever take that step.

TT seems to run the show for the long term future; not the now. Just the way I see it

This would imply that TT doesn't want to ever win. We all know that such a supposition is absurd. We just need wait for his plan to blossom.

It may fail, of course, but we should let things run its course.

[Bretsky]

Sherman played to make the playoffs and then hope for the best.

Thompson plays for a championship or nothing at all.

That's an argument I find hard to see

Sherman was going for the gusto; it's what he did in free agency and Joe Johnson was perfect proof. He was always playing for the now

I don't see TT as that way "yet". I'm not sure if he'll ever take that step.

TT seems to run the show for the long term future; not the now. Just the way I see it

This would imply that TT doesn't want to ever win. We all know that such a supposition is absurd. We just need wait for his plan to blossom.

It may fail, of course, but we should let things run its course.

I'm not implying he does not want to win; I don't think he sees a sense of urgency like Sherman did. I think he figures things will develop over time as the draft picks develop. I don't see TT playing for a title or nothing at all..........gold or bust.....that was Sherman and he ended up with a bust

[RashanGary]

Sherman played to make the playoffs and then hope for the best.

Thompson plays for a championship or nothing at all.

You do realize you just said in 25 words what has taken me probably hundreds of hours and pages of posts trying to explain. That is why I don't care about each season. That is why I don't freak out about a problem area. That is why I'm still very optimistic about the Packers. That is why I showed up at the game and left happy as a pig in shit after a loss.

[Zool]

Are pigs actually happy in shit?

[th87]

Sherman played to make the playoffs and then hope for the best.

Thompson plays for a championship or nothing at all.

You do realize you just said in 25 words what has taken me probably hundreds of hours and pages of posts trying to explain. That is why I don't care about each season. That is why I don't freak out about a problem area. That is why I'm still very optimistic about the Packers. That is why I showed up at the game and left happy as a pig in shit after a loss.

I too am optimistic. Harrell will improve. Some tweaks here and there, and a little bit of luck, we can be good again.

Football is really a momentum game. You win some in a row, you'll continue to win. If you lose some close games in a row, you'll continue to do so. We've been in nearly every game this year, only to let our season momentum ultimately dictate those close losses. Hopefully leaders emerge next year to prevent something similar from happening. The line between winning and losing is so thin.

[RashanGary]

I too am optimistic. Harrell will improve. Some tweaks here and there, and a little bit of luck, we can be good again.

Football is really a momentum game. You win some in a row, you'll continue to win. If you lose some close games in a row, you'll continue to do so. We've been in nearly every game this year, only to let our season momentum ultimately dictate those close losses. Hopefully leaders emerge next year to prevent something similar from happening. The line between winning and losing is so thin.

For sure. The only way to lower your cieling is to make a costly mistake. All of Thompsons moves are designed to get better and to avoid lowering the cieling in a way that will prevent the ulitmate goal. Sometimes, in an effort to avoid dropping the ceiling on his head, he takes a little more time than we would like but the ultimate goal is to win a championship. Lowering the ceiling at all is would be too much. We have to be the best of 32.

Some health luck will play in (meaning it will be nice to be good for many years so as to increase the odds of having that healthy season). Some momentum and good coaching will have to play in (maybe they decide it's time for a little shake up and then gain continuity). Ultimately though, I think it's the roster that will count the most and in order to fit enough talent on one roster it takes a whole crap load of good decisions built on each other with very few big, long term mistakes. It appears we are going in the right general direction. Now hopefully it peaks and the moons align because I think the real window starts about next year and should carry on for about a decade if Thompson can be steady and effective in his job.