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[ND72]

If Peppers is offered the most money by GB but goes elsewhere ala Arrington, will this be just another example of cheapskate TT??

I just want to point out the fact that first you offered the idea that Teddy would offer him the most money, and then called TT a cheapskate....

[Waldo]

If Kamp really is as good as you think he is, why is Jenkins the RDE and Kamp the LDE, RDE is the premium position that makes the big bucks?

I will wager big money that Kamp will not get a contract that has an average yearly cap # anything more than 1M more than Pat Kerney's. He is a career LDE and a poor fit on the right, he is not explosive enough, just like Kerney.

Waldo, I'll back you in 9/10 arguements against partial, but Mario plays LDE as well. So did Reggie White. Guys play right or left for a variety of reasons. Some guys move around.

I agree Kamp isn't flat out explosive like KGB was, but he had about 12 more techniques and was/is a better pass rusher than KGB. Certainly stats can decieve, but Kamp is first rate at this point. He does it differently than some guys, but he gets the job done.

Teams run AWAY from Kamp more than they run at him. That is why when Jenkins took over for KGB we got a lot better against the run. Kamp does exactly what our scheme asks of him without failure. I virtually never throw things at the TV cuz Kamp screwed up or was owned on a play...he is the ONLY defender I felt that way about this season.

I know its popular and fun to label white guys "try hard or non athletic" but it just isn't so. Kamp is gifted in many ways, not just a try hard guy. Kamp is much more effective than simple speed rushers as he likes to use his speed to get a guy off balance then push him to the QB. That style is better as a QB has a harder time stepping into the pocket or escaping it. It runs him into other defenders...it is our scheme (or was). If Jenkins stays healthy and we add a threat you are going to see Kampman with a HUGE year.

As much as I like TT, I miss Mark Hatley. That guy had a unique eye for talent. Drafting guys like KGB and Kampman after the 3rd round. Trading a 2nd for Al Harris. Moving up for Javon Walker. Now those were some great moves. If he hadn't died, we would still have Sherman, never heard of BJ Sanders and be celebrating another trip to the superbowl this year.

Jared Allen was a large part of this discussion, he is very explosive, unlike Kamp.

[Lurker64]

If Peppers is offered the most money by GB but goes elsewhere ala Arrington, will this be just another example of cheapskate TT??

I just want to point out the fact that first you offered the idea that Teddy would offer him the most money, and then called TT a cheapskate....

I believe the question was actually, "if TT is the highest bidder, but Peppers goes elsewhere for non-monetary reasons, will people use this (incorrectly) as more evidence that Thompson is cheap?"

[bobblehead]

In any case, I disagree with you about Kampman not being a pass rusher. He's a pretty good pass rusher imo. His sack numbers don't lie. Pass rushing is about generating pressure. Kampman has been near the top in sacks and pressures for the past 4 years. That to me says he's quite effective at generating pressure. The evidence is pretty much undeniable.

Why is it though, that you can say Kampmans stats prove he is an elite DE, yet Rodgers puts together terrific stats and you say he's a product of they system/play calling?

QFT...was going to say the same thing.

[bobblehead]

If Peppers is offered the most money by GB but goes elsewhere ala Arrington, will this be just another example of cheapskate TT??

I just want to point out the fact that first you offered the idea that Teddy would offer him the most money, and then called TT a cheapskate....

I believe the question was actually, "if TT is the highest bidder, but Peppers goes elsewhere for non-monetary reasons, will people use this (incorrectly) as more evidence that Thompson is cheap?"

correct, thank you.

[ND72]

Must not visit FF eh, or the old GPPG board. I had nearly 2500 at the GBPG board and am closing in on 10K at FF.

so the number of posts on an online message board signifies intelligence now. awesome.

[bobblehead]

If Kamp really is as good as you think he is, why is Jenkins the RDE and Kamp the LDE, RDE is the premium position that makes the big bucks?

I will wager big money that Kamp will not get a contract that has an average yearly cap # anything more than 1M more than Pat Kerney's. He is a career LDE and a poor fit on the right, he is not explosive enough, just like Kerney.

Waldo, I'll back you in 9/10 arguements against partial, but Mario plays LDE as well. So did Reggie White. Guys play right or left for a variety of reasons. Some guys move around.

I agree Kamp isn't flat out explosive like KGB was, but he had about 12 more techniques and was/is a better pass rusher than KGB. Certainly stats can decieve, but Kamp is first rate at this point. He does it differently than some guys, but he gets the job done.

Teams run AWAY from Kamp more than they run at him. That is why when Jenkins took over for KGB we got a lot better against the run. Kamp does exactly what our scheme asks of him without failure. I virtually never throw things at the TV cuz Kamp screwed up or was owned on a play...he is the ONLY defender I felt that way about this season.

I know its popular and fun to label white guys "try hard or non athletic" but it just isn't so. Kamp is gifted in many ways, not just a try hard guy. Kamp is much more effective than simple speed rushers as he likes to use his speed to get a guy off balance then push him to the QB. That style is better as a QB has a harder time stepping into the pocket or escaping it. It runs him into other defenders...it is our scheme (or was). If Jenkins stays healthy and we add a threat you are going to see Kampman with a HUGE year.

As much as I like TT, I miss Mark Hatley. That guy had a unique eye for talent. Drafting guys like KGB and Kampman after the 3rd round. Trading a 2nd for Al Harris. Moving up for Javon Walker. Now those were some great moves. If he hadn't died, we would still have Sherman, never heard of BJ Sanders and be celebrating another trip to the superbowl this year.

Jared Allen was a large part of this discussion, he is very explosive, unlike Kamp.

True, but I think Kamp is getting the white guy rap. Let me see if I can find the shuttle run numbers in the combine, that is the true measure of explosiveness.

[ND72]

The 40 has absolutely nothing to do with explosion. It is not measured. The only way to measure it would be a 3 meter dash.

Let me quote my college coach...."every NFL scout times 40 yard dashes to see what kind of explosion, and top end speed you have..."

[ND72]

If Peppers is offered the most money by GB but goes elsewhere ala Arrington, will this be just another example of cheapskate TT??

I just want to point out the fact that first you offered the idea that Teddy would offer him the most money, and then called TT a cheapskate....

I believe the question was actually, "if TT is the highest bidder, but Peppers goes elsewhere for non-monetary reasons, will people use this (incorrectly) as more evidence that Thompson is cheap?"

correct, thank you.

My bad Then it's a great point

[Waldo]

Must not visit FF eh, or the old GPPG board. I had nearly 2500 at the GBPG board and am closing in on 10K at FF.

so the number of posts on an online message board signifies intelligence now. awesome.

Nope, but I was being called an inexperienced noob that doesn't know what they are talking about, something that I take quite personally. I can hang with anybody in a football convo.

[Waldo]

If Kamp really is as good as you think he is, why is Jenkins the RDE and Kamp the LDE, RDE is the premium position that makes the big bucks?

I will wager big money that Kamp will not get a contract that has an average yearly cap # anything more than 1M more than Pat Kerney's. He is a career LDE and a poor fit on the right, he is not explosive enough, just like Kerney.

Waldo, I'll back you in 9/10 arguements against partial, but Mario plays LDE as well. So did Reggie White. Guys play right or left for a variety of reasons. Some guys move around.

I agree Kamp isn't flat out explosive like KGB was, but he had about 12 more techniques and was/is a better pass rusher than KGB. Certainly stats can decieve, but Kamp is first rate at this point. He does it differently than some guys, but he gets the job done.

Teams run AWAY from Kamp more than they run at him. That is why when Jenkins took over for KGB we got a lot better against the run. Kamp does exactly what our scheme asks of him without failure. I virtually never throw things at the TV cuz Kamp screwed up or was owned on a play...he is the ONLY defender I felt that way about this season.

I know its popular and fun to label white guys "try hard or non athletic" but it just isn't so. Kamp is gifted in many ways, not just a try hard guy. Kamp is much more effective than simple speed rushers as he likes to use his speed to get a guy off balance then push him to the QB. That style is better as a QB has a harder time stepping into the pocket or escaping it. It runs him into other defenders...it is our scheme (or was). If Jenkins stays healthy and we add a threat you are going to see Kampman with a HUGE year.

As much as I like TT, I miss Mark Hatley. That guy had a unique eye for talent. Drafting guys like KGB and Kampman after the 3rd round. Trading a 2nd for Al Harris. Moving up for Javon Walker. Now those were some great moves. If he hadn't died, we would still have Sherman, never heard of BJ Sanders and be celebrating another trip to the superbowl this year.

Jared Allen was a large part of this discussion, he is very explosive, unlike Kamp.

True, but I think Kamp is getting the white guy rap. Let me see if I can find the shuttle run numbers in the combine, that is the true measure of explosiveness.

When was the last time Kamp blew by the RT before he was out of his stance. A TRUE measure of effective defensive end explosiveness.

..never.

[pbmax]

The 40 has absolutely nothing to do with explosion. It is not measured. The only way to measure it would be a 3 meter dash.

Let me quote my college coach...."every NFL scout times 40 yard dashes to see what kind of explosion, and top end speed you have..."

But did they really care about the DE's 40 speed in evaluating his pass rush?

[red]

for me, 40 times are more about watching how the guy runs

you can spot a good athlete, or a scrapper

like the guy that just got the sack. ngata. he was hage, and he didn't have a blazing time, but you could see in the way he ran that he had an engine in him

i don't know. some guys just look comfortable running the thing. other look like they've never run a second of their life

[Lurker64]

For the NFL combine, during the 40 yd dash, don't they also take data on the 10 yd splits? I'd think the 0-10 yd split would be a reasonable measure of explosiveness.

[MJZiggy]

Must not visit FF eh, or the old GPPG board. I had nearly 2500 at the GBPG board and am closing in on 10K at FF.

so the number of posts on an online message board signifies intelligence now. awesome.

I'M A GENIUS!!!!