GAME ON- PEPPERS TO BECOME UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENT

[Fritz]

Me too! Or, to quote Homer Simpson:

:I am smart! I am smart! S-M-R-T, I am smart!

[Tony Oday]

So with Dom in the Mix and he is familiar with the 3-4 does this put us in a better position for Peppers?

[Partial]

If Kamp really is as good as you think he is, why is Jenkins the RDE and Kamp the LDE, RDE is the premium position that makes the big bucks?

I will wager big money that Kamp will not get a contract that has an average yearly cap # anything more than 1M more than Pat Kerney's. He is a career LDE and a poor fit on the right, he is not explosive enough, just like Kerney.

Waldo, I'll back you in 9/10 arguements against partial, but Mario plays LDE as well. So did Reggie White. Guys play right or left for a variety of reasons. Some guys move around.

I agree Kamp isn't flat out explosive like KGB was, but he had about 12 more techniques and was/is a better pass rusher than KGB. Certainly stats can decieve, but Kamp is first rate at this point. He does it differently than some guys, but he gets the job done.

Teams run AWAY from Kamp more than they run at him. That is why when Jenkins took over for KGB we got a lot better against the run. Kamp does exactly what our scheme asks of him without failure. I virtually never throw things at the TV cuz Kamp screwed up or was owned on a play...he is the ONLY defender I felt that way about this season.

I know its popular and fun to label white guys "try hard or non athletic" but it just isn't so. Kamp is gifted in many ways, not just a try hard guy. Kamp is much more effective than simple speed rushers as he likes to use his speed to get a guy off balance then push him to the QB. That style is better as a QB has a harder time stepping into the pocket or escaping it. It runs him into other defenders...it is our scheme (or was). If Jenkins stays healthy and we add a threat you are going to see Kampman with a HUGE year.

As much as I like TT, I miss Mark Hatley. That guy had a unique eye for talent. Drafting guys like KGB and Kampman after the 3rd round. Trading a 2nd for Al Harris. Moving up for Javon Walker. Now those were some great moves. If he hadn't died, we would still have Sherman, never heard of BJ Sanders and be celebrating another trip to the superbowl this year.

Agreed. Good post outside of the unnecessary bash. If you read the forums more you'd see I'm frequently a very knowledgable and good football poster. I just don't see eye to eye with many on the QB position and don't see it with A-Rod. I'm entitled to my opinion, though.

[Partial]

In any case, I disagree with you about Kampman not being a pass rusher. He's a pretty good pass rusher imo. His sack numbers don't lie. Pass rushing is about generating pressure. Kampman has been near the top in sacks and pressures for the past 4 years. That to me says he's quite effective at generating pressure. The evidence is pretty much undeniable.

Why is it though, that you can say Kampmans stats prove he is an elite DE, yet Rodgers puts together terrific stats and you say he's a product of they system/play calling?

QFT...was going to say the same thing.

Cause Kampman is a complete player. Rodgers uses maybe half the field as Nutz and I have pointed out numerous times. Our offense is incredibly vanilla, and that is why we struggled with points in the second half of the year.

[Partial]

Nope, and it will be a historically dumb move. Best FA since Reggie by a mile!

I'm guessing you drew this conclusion based on him being in action on every major name to become available since he got here

Will we land him...who knows, but I think TT will be in the mix. If Peppers is offered the most money by GB but goes elsewhere ala Arrington, will this be just another example of cheapskate TT??

Peppers is going to command HUGE money. Like never before seen type of money. He's the best DE in the league by a mile.

At any rate, Carolina will franchise and trade him. He's not going anywhere fo' free. With that said, Teets loved his draft picks and won't pony up the two firsts or first and second to land the stud.

As for Haynesworth providing more value, I completely disagree. Not only is DE a more important position and a tougher one to find a very good player at, but Haynesworth has serious character concerns, including a long suspension and I believe he's gotten in trouble for drugs before, too. A big no to the face stomper, at least until he has gotten into the fray for Peppers.

How good would our DL be with both of those guys

Nobody will pony up 2 firsts for Peppers, so stop with the tiered bullshit about TT.

Don't be so sure about that. Didn't Allen cost a first, a second and a third? Peppers is a way better player than Allen, though he is older.

[bobblehead]

You're right partial, I agree with you a lot when it doesn't involve Aaron Rodgers. You do have good football knowledge and my unnecessary as was more a result of the rodgers stuff. It goes both ways though, I also think JH is a great knowledgeable poster too...as long as he stays away from the BF stuff.

Incidentally I agreed with you on Morency too....but we both got egg on our face for that one.

[cpk1994]

Nope, and it will be a historically dumb move. Best FA since Reggie by a mile!

I'm guessing you drew this conclusion based on him being in action on every major name to become available since he got here

Will we land him...who knows, but I think TT will be in the mix. If Peppers is offered the most money by GB but goes elsewhere ala Arrington, will this be just another example of cheapskate TT??

Peppers is going to command HUGE money. Like never before seen type of money. He's the best DE in the league by a mile.

At any rate, Carolina will franchise and trade him. He's not going anywhere fo' free. With that said, Teets loved his draft picks and won't pony up the two firsts or first and second to land the stud.

As for Haynesworth providing more value, I completely disagree. Not only is DE a more important position and a tougher one to find a very good player at, but Haynesworth has serious character concerns, including a long suspension and I believe he's gotten in trouble for drugs before, too. A big no to the face stomper, at least until he has gotten into the fray for Peppers.

How good would our DL be with both of those guys

Nobody will pony up 2 firsts for Peppers, so stop with the tiered bullshit about TT.

Don't be so sure about that. Didn't Allen cost a first, a second and a third? Peppers is a way better player than Allen, though he is older.

Yes but that only affected one draft. 2 1st rounders will fuck up two years. No one will pony up 2 first rounders. Not gonna happen.

[vince]

If you read the forums more you'd see I'm frequently a very knowledgable and good football poster.

The one and only. It's good to see that you approve of your football knowledge.

[SMACKTALKIE]

Nope, and it will be a historically dumb move. Best FA since Reggie by a mile!

I'm guessing you drew this conclusion based on him being in action on every major name to become available since he got here

Will we land him...who knows, but I think TT will be in the mix. If Peppers is offered the most money by GB but goes elsewhere ala Arrington, will this be just another example of cheapskate TT??

Peppers is going to command HUGE money. Like never before seen type of money. He's the best DE in the league by a mile.

At any rate, Carolina will franchise and trade him. He's not going anywhere fo' free. With that said, Teets loved his draft picks and won't pony up the two firsts or first and second to land the stud.

As for Haynesworth providing more value, I completely disagree. Not only is DE a more important position and a tougher one to find a very good player at, but Haynesworth has serious character concerns, including a long suspension and I believe he's gotten in trouble for drugs before, too. A big no to the face stomper, at least until he has gotten into the fray for Peppers.

How good would our DL be with both of those guys

Nobody will pony up 2 firsts for Peppers, so stop with the tiered bullshit about TT.

Don't be so sure about that. Didn't Allen cost a first, a second and a third? Peppers is a way better player than Allen, though he is older.

Yes but that only affected one draft. 2 1st rounders will fuck up two years. No one will pony up 2 first rounders. Not gonna happen.

JA cost a first, two thirds, and some sort of later round swap like a 7th for a 6th. Vikings selected Tyrell Johnson with their 2nd. And yes, nobody will give up 2 firsts for Peppers. Maybe 4 years ago but not today.

[imscott72]

Nope, and it will be a historically dumb move. Best FA since Reggie by a mile!

I'm guessing you drew this conclusion based on him being in action on every major name to become available since he got here

Will we land him...who knows, but I think TT will be in the mix. If Peppers is offered the most money by GB but goes elsewhere ala Arrington, will this be just another example of cheapskate TT??

Peppers is going to command HUGE money. Like never before seen type of money. He's the best DE in the league by a mile.

At any rate, Carolina will franchise and trade him. He's not going anywhere fo' free. With that said, Teets loved his draft picks and won't pony up the two firsts or first and second to land the stud.

As for Haynesworth providing more value, I completely disagree. Not only is DE a more important position and a tougher one to find a very good player at, but Haynesworth has serious character concerns, including a long suspension and I believe he's gotten in trouble for drugs before, too. A big no to the face stomper, at least until he has gotten into the fray for Peppers.

How good would our DL be with both of those guys

Nobody will pony up 2 firsts for Peppers, so stop with the tiered bullshit about TT.

Don't be so sure about that. Didn't Allen cost a first, a second and a third? Peppers is a way better player than Allen, though he is older.

Yes but that only affected one draft. 2 1st rounders will fuck up two years. No one will pony up 2 first rounders. Not gonna happen.

Agreed. If Carolina franchises Peppers, they're stuck with him.

[SkinBasket]

If you read the forums more you'd see I'm frequently a very knowledgable and good football poster.

Per word, this might be the most ridiculous sentence this forum has ever seen. It makes me giggle and vomit in one bold stroke. Amazing.

[Gunakor]

Nope, and it will be a historically dumb move. Best FA since Reggie by a mile!

I'm guessing you drew this conclusion based on him being in action on every major name to become available since he got here

Will we land him...who knows, but I think TT will be in the mix. If Peppers is offered the most money by GB but goes elsewhere ala Arrington, will this be just another example of cheapskate TT??

Peppers is going to command HUGE money. Like never before seen type of money. He's the best DE in the league by a mile.

At any rate, Carolina will franchise and trade him. He's not going anywhere fo' free. With that said, Teets loved his draft picks and won't pony up the two firsts or first and second to land the stud.

As for Haynesworth providing more value, I completely disagree. Not only is DE a more important position and a tougher one to find a very good player at, but Haynesworth has serious character concerns, including a long suspension and I believe he's gotten in trouble for drugs before, too. A big no to the face stomper, at least until he has gotten into the fray for Peppers.

How good would our DL be with both of those guys

Nobody will pony up 2 firsts for Peppers, so stop with the tiered bullshit about TT.

Don't be so sure about that. Didn't Allen cost a first, a second and a third? Peppers is a way better player than Allen, though he is older.

Yes but that only affected one draft. 2 1st rounders will fuck up two years. No one will pony up 2 first rounders. Not gonna happen.

Agreed. If Carolina franchises Peppers, they're stuck with him.

Carolina can franchise and trade Peppers, like TT did with Corey Williams, for whatever terms all parties agree to. That could be 2 firsts, or one second. Or whatever.

[Lurker64]

Carolina can franchise and trade Peppers, like TT did with Corey Williams, for whatever terms all parties agree to. That could be 2 firsts, or one second. Or whatever.

They will not do so, however, unless they work out a longterm deal with their stud LT Jordan Gross before the free agency period. Gross had much more to do with the success of the Panthers last year than Peppers and has more football ahead of him than Peppers.

[mission]

If you read the forums more you'd see I'm frequently a very knowledgable and good football poster.

Per word, this might be the most ridiculous sentence this forum has ever seen. It makes me giggle and vomit in one bold stroke. Amazing.

I gotta admit, I read that sentence 6-7 times just to make sure that's what it was saying

[Partial]

At any rate, Peppers is the splash they need. Best player in the league at the 2nd most important position.