"Retirement" all part of a plan?

[Lurker64]

I think it's conceivable that if Favre unretires at the end of the summer he would find the Jets in a place where they would rather eat the 13 million and clear space for him, than to cut him.

I mean, if you're setting up a training camp battle between Kellen Clemens and Josh Freeman, and Brett Favre comes knocking, are you really going to say no? The Packers, last July, were much more settled in the starting QB department than the Jets are likely to be this July.

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The Packers, last July, were much more settled in the starting QB department than the Jets are likely to be this July.

How? Aaron had ZERO career starts, and looked above average in one game. Clemens is ahead of where A-Rod was in starts and experience certainly.

[Lurker64]

How? Aaron had ZERO career starts, and looked above average in one game. Clemens is ahead of where A-Rod was in starts and experience certainly.

Aaron Rodgers is simply a better player than Kellen Clemens will ever be, especially since the Jets have basically abandoned their idea of having him be the QB for the future and QB guru Mike McCarthy had the opposite opinion of his young QB. Kellen Clemens isn't ready to play at a high level in the NFL, he may never be.

[Fritz]

Florio says Favre filed his papers this time. This tells me something...or nothing. But, could we see Brett waiting until the Jets fill his spot. Then he asks for his release. First flight to Minneapolis.

Problem is, he has to file his reinstatement papers and then the Jets will have to make a decision. And you are making a mighty assuption that the Vikings would even want anything to do with him now, especially with the admission that Favre regresses late in the season.

I am assuming that he has spoken to the Vikings. Yeah, I know it's a stretch but certainly not out of the realm of possibility.

Actually, the more i think about it, this wont happen. In the Gentleman's club of NFL GMs Tannebaum would be outcast as a guy who bucked the system to strengthen another team and stick it to the Packers. I don't think he would do it for fear of having to deal wth said GM's in the future. Favre stays retired.

But that's not what would be happening. IF Favre decided on a comeback in, say, June, by that time the Jets would've set most of their roster in terms of signings and getting under the cap. Even without Favre's contract they're in a bit of a tight spot.

So IF Favre wanted to come back, the Jets would have to decide between gutting their roster to make room for Favre's 13 mil - and how would that help a team who has a new coach and has to rebuild to some degree? - or just cutting Favre and getting on with the future...

Not Tannenbaum's fault then if he cuts Favre.

But thats not how the GM's gentlemans club operates. Tannenbaum may have a good reason to cut Favre, but that doesn't mean the other GM's aren't going to outcast him for allowing a player to stick it to a fellow GM. It would certainly make it harder for Tannebaum to make deals with other teams.

Guess we just disagree. Even within the gent's club, I have a hard time imagining them blaming Tannenbaum. Why make a move that might be seen as hurting your own club/ (cutting players to make space for one player who probably is not worth the salary he'd be getting)

[sharpe1027]

Favre wanted his release so he could retire a Packer

That can be done in other ways like structuring a trade that will protect both the Jets and the Packers, one that would reduce his salary to the minimum and have no-trade clauses ect. or simply do it in a few years.

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How? Aaron had ZERO career starts, and looked above average in one game. Clemens is ahead of where A-Rod was in starts and experience certainly.

Aaron Rodgers is simply a better player than Kellen Clemens will ever be, especially since the Jets have basically abandoned their idea of having him be the QB for the future and QB guru Mike McCarthy had the opposite opinion of his young QB. Kellen Clemens isn't ready to play at a high level in the NFL, he may never be.

How do you know that? Rodgers is a slightly above average QB at best right now. Clemens hasn't shown enough either way.

MM probably has that opinion because his boss is forcing it on him so he can win face against BF. If they thought THAT highly of Rodgers, they would have fortified our struggling offense with that second round pick instead of spending it on a quarterback (who I think is still our eventual starter).

[Bossman641]

How? Aaron had ZERO career starts, and looked above average in one game. Clemens is ahead of where A-Rod was in starts and experience certainly.

Aaron Rodgers is simply a better player than Kellen Clemens will ever be, especially since the Jets have basically abandoned their idea of having him be the QB for the future and QB guru Mike McCarthy had the opposite opinion of his young QB. Kellen Clemens isn't ready to play at a high level in the NFL, he may never be.

How do you know that? Rodgers is a slightly above average QB at best right now. Clemens hasn't shown enough either way.

MM probably has that opinion because his boss is forcing it on him so he can win face against BF. If they thought THAT highly of Rodgers, they would have fortified our struggling offense with that second round pick instead of spending it on a quarterback (who I think is still our eventual starter).

Kellen Clemens isn't anywhere near Rodgers' level. Not even close.

While I don't like the Brohm pick now, at the time it was thought to be one of the steals of the draft. As for why they picked him I think it was more insurance than anything. We had nothing behind Rodgers at the time and the coaching staff had an idea, but not any type of certainty, of what Rodgers would be able to do. They hadn't seen Rodgers go through minicamps or training camps as the starters. All they had to go off him was mop-up time and scout QB duty in pracitces. They also had no clue how tough he would be in playing through injuries.

I'm sure if you asked MM now he'd say he's 1000 times more confident in Rodgers now then he was last April.

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How do you know? Rodgers is average, he's not special. Before he started, he looked good in one game. Clemens hasn't played much either, so it's still up in there air. That loco to right a guy off before he's had a chance.

[Lurker64]

Kellens is a fourth year player with eight starts who has never looked good. He may turn it around, but he's not somebody the Jets could count on.

[sheepshead]

How do you know? Rodgers is average, he's not special. Before he started, he looked good in one game. Clemens hasn't played much either, so it's still up in there air. That loco to right a guy off before he's had a chance.

Rodgers is average? Based on what? Certainly not statistically. I'd like to see how came up with this.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Rodgers is already a good starting QB. Clemens hasn't remotely shown the ability to be a starting caliber QB in the NFL. Comparing them is laughable.

[Zool]

Well Clemens has a noodle arm. We can compare them that way.

[sharpe1027]

How do you know? Rodgers is average, he's not special. Before he started, he looked good in one game. Clemens hasn't played much either, so it's still up in there air. That loco to right a guy off before he's had a chance.

QB rating: 6th
Completion %: 10th
Yards: 4th
Yards/Att: 9th
TDs: 4th
TD%: 4th

Basically every major statistical category he is well, well above average, but I'm guessing your own personal judgment of talent is more relevant, right?

[channtheman]

How do you even compare Kellen Clemens and Aaron Rodgers? Please Partial, enlighten us on what goes through your head. Rodgers could throw 40 TD's a year and 5000 yards and have a rating of 120 and you would still call him average.

[mraynrand]

Rodgers is average.

That's just loopy. Crazy talk. Unsupportable.