FAVRE TO HAVE SURGERY

[Pacopete4]

So, getting back at Thompson for a personal wrong is one thing - and I have no problem with that, which might come as a surprise to you. It's not Thompson I'm defending. It's the fans, such as myself, who also feel slighted in the deal. We've made an investment too, and one of our greatest heroes isn't supposed to be siding with the enemy just to spite us. That's how I look at it. This isn't about football. It's not. It's not just a football game. It's a legacy. It's a community that feels wronged. Our investment in him is being thrown back in our faces, and that's the problem for many of us, not just me.

So now that we've thrown him away.. hes supposed to care about what you feel about him? It just doesn't make sense. So because you would feel slighted, hes supposed to just suck up whatever did happen to him (and we wont get into that) and just say ok, I retire. It just doesn't make sense to me. I just think you want it both ways. You want Brett to just be ok with what happened to him in the past and thats just not going to happen, simple as that. And I highly doubt if the shoe was on the other foot, that you would have a little bit of trouble doing that as well. It's ok to be hurt, thats fine... but just remember this. Brett Favre is hurting too.

[Scott Campbell]

I think Favre may have retired (the first time) because he wanted out of Green Bay. And he screwed around un-retiring to make sure that the Packers wouldn't take him back, and timed it so that he could say publicly that he still wanted to play for the Packers. But he didn't. If he really wanted to play for the Packers last year, he would not have pulled all the crap that he did.

High treason - he'll forever be a traitor to the green and gold.

[Pacopete4]

I think Favre may have retired (the first time) because he wanted out of Green Bay. And he screwed around un-retiring to make sure that the Packers wouldn't take him back, and timed it so that he could say publicly that he still wanted to play for the Packers. But he didn't. If he really wanted to play for the Packers last year, he would not have pulled all the crap that he did.

High treason - he'll forever be a traitor to the green and gold.

hahahaha, god I love the conspiracy theories, they get better all the time

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Well I can see things haven't changed much. Why does all the Brett Favre talk always bring out the retards? Brett was the greatest QB to ever play for the Packers. But now he is joining the enemy, and he'll be rooted against with passion from this diehard Packers fan. I agree with Ty, Brett is bound for another 20+ ints. He is no savior, just a quarterback at the end of his career with just a little magic left in the tank and a lot age starting to show. Go back and watch the last 5 Jets games. Favre was horrendous, the Jets played scrubs and they still tanked down the stretch. I for one welcome Favre back in to the league to join the Queens. It'll bring so much more excitement to this season that the memories will last for a long time.

If anyone thinks Favre is going to lead the Vikings to the promised land they need to wake up and join reality. Sadly one of my favorite childhood football players is becoming washed up just as I remember Montana with the Chiefs(he was more successful mind you). I can't wait to watch Favre play again(IF he does) but I am a diehard Packer fan, and will never, ever, cheer for the enemy.

[Gunakor]

So, getting back at Thompson for a personal wrong is one thing - and I have no problem with that, which might come as a surprise to you. It's not Thompson I'm defending. It's the fans, such as myself, who also feel slighted in the deal. We've made an investment too, and one of our greatest heroes isn't supposed to be siding with the enemy just to spite us. That's how I look at it. This isn't about football. It's not. It's not just a football game. It's a legacy. It's a community that feels wronged. Our investment in him is being thrown back in our faces, and that's the problem for many of us, not just me.

So now that we've thrown him away.. hes supposed to care about what you feel about him? It just doesn't make sense. So because you would feel slighted, hes supposed to just suck up whatever did happen to him (and we wont get into that) and just say ok, I retire. It just doesn't make sense to me. I just think you want it both ways. You want Brett to just be ok with what happened to him in the past and thats just not going to happen, simple as that. And I highly doubt if the shoe was on the other foot, that you would have a little bit of trouble doing that as well. It's ok to be hurt, thats fine... but just remember this. Brett Favre is hurting too.

No, we didn't throw him away. Thompson did, if anyone did at all. I still contend that he walked away on his own, but whatever about that. I don't wanna get into that one again. But the fans didn't have anything to do with it at all, and neither did the other players on the Packers roster. Yet all would be punished right along with Thompson if Favre were to beat the Packers and knock this team out of the playoffs. And that's not fair either.

No, I don't think Favre should just be okay with what happened. But I do think he should let it go, like adults do sometimes. He doesn't have to get revenge. He could just say "That's fucked up" and let it go. Or he could look for an alternative form of revenge that doesn't involve all of Packer Nation. One that would hurt Thompson, but wouldn't affect Driver or Kampman or Harris. If one doesn't exist, then he could just say "That's fucked up" and let it go. I'm sure you've been able to just disregard perceived disrespect in such a fashion a few times in your life as well. We all have. So why can't we hold Favre to the same standards as we have for ourselves?

[Packerarcher]

Gunakor,

What you are saying makes perfect sense,BUT shouldn't fans be pissed at TT for putting Brett in this situation. I don't care that Brett may have had different rules in GB than other players. I don't care that Rodgers may have walked,imo he will be an avg at best player. The org owed it to Favre to let him act any way he wanted. So if you are going to talk about feeling slighted why not go to the source,which is TT.

[Packerarcher]

Well I can see things haven't changed much. Why does all the Brett Favre talk always bring out the retards? Brett was the greatest QB to ever play for the Packers. But now he is joining the enemy, and he'll be rooted against with passion from this diehard Packers fan. I agree with Ty, Brett is bound for another 20+ ints. He is no savior, just a quarterback at the end of his career with just a little magic left in the tank and a lot age starting to show. Go back and watch the last 5 Jets games. Favre was horrendous, the Jets played scrubs and they still tanked down the stretch. I for one welcome Favre back in to the league to join the Queens. It'll bring so much more excitement to this season that the memories will last for a long time.

If anyone thinks Favre is going to lead the Vikings to the promised land they need to wake up and join reality. Sadly one of my favorite childhood football players is becoming washed up just as I remember Montana with the Chiefs(he was more successful mind you). I can't wait to watch Favre play again(IF he does) but I am a diehard Packer fan, and will never, ever, cheer for the enemy.

You should really look in the mirror before calling others retards. How come it is ok to blame the Packers shitty year last year on piss poor D and not Rodgers. Yet the Jets D was HORRENDUS the last half of the season last year and it's all Favres fault. How the fuck is that any different?

[Lurker64]

Gunakor,

What you are saying makes perfect sense,BUT shouldn't fans be pissed at TT for putting Brett in this situation. I don't care that Brett may have had different rules in GB than other players. I don't care that Rodgers may have walked,imo he will be an avg at best player. The org owed it to Favre to let him act any way he wanted. So if you are going to talk about feeling slighted why not go to the source,which is TT.

The important difference is this:

What's done is done. Once upon a time Brett Favre and Ted Thompson were both trying to win games for the Green Bay Packers, and where they came into conflict fans of the Packers could support one or the other and one, both, or neither could be at fault. As it stands though, Brett Favre is no longer trying to win games for the Green Bay Packers (and, if he returns, will, in fact, be trying to cause the Green Bay Packers to lose games) while Ted Thompson is still trying to win games for the Green Bay Packers.

Insofar as I support the Packers, right now if it's Thompson vs. Favre I have to go with Thompson 100% of the time. Two years ago? Different story entirely. Favre may well have been wronged, but I personally hope that he would just be mature enough to get over it (as most people would.) If Favre just stays retired, I wish him all the best and I hope some day he can reunite amicably with the Green Bay Packers. If he comes back and plays for the Vikings, I will have the same disdain for him that I have for everybody else who plays for a traditional rival (possibly moreso, for the reasons of "feelings of betrayal" that Gunakor so eloquently explained)

[Gunakor]

Gunakor,

What you are saying makes perfect sense,BUT shouldn't fans be pissed at TT for putting Brett in this situation. I don't care that Brett may have had different rules in GB than other players. I don't care that Rodgers may have walked,imo he will be an avg at best player. The org owed it to Favre to let him act any way he wanted. So if you are going to talk about feeling slighted why not go to the source,which is TT.

No, the org didn't owe it to Favre to let him act any way he wanted. But I can't argue that with you if I don't know your reasons for believing they did. No player for any team in any sport is bigger than the team they play for. No employee who works for any company in any profession is bigger than the company they are employed by. Why do you feel otherwise?

[cpk1994]

Gunakor,

What you are saying makes perfect sense,BUT shouldn't fans be pissed at TT for putting Brett in this situation. I don't care that Brett may have had different rules in GB than other players. I don't care that Rodgers may have walked,imo he will be an avg at best player. The org owed it to Favre to let him act any way he wanted. So if you are going to talk about feeling slighted why not go to the source,which is TT.

First of all, TT didn't put Brett in any position. 2nd of all, the org didn't owe Favre shit. He RETIRED. Amazing how you and others can't grasp that. When a player RETIRES, the team no longer has an obligation to the player to hold his job for him. AN I guarnatee if Favre had stayed and Rodgers walked, you would be bitching to high heaven, becuase we know how much you hate TT, that he left the QB cupboard bare. ALso, as an organization, you NEVER let one player act any way he wanted. That is falt olut retarded bullshit. That sets a bad precedent in the locker room. You let one do it, its going to snowball. But I don't secxpect that you will ever grasp this becuase you are a one trick pony. You hate TT and anything associated with him. He couls win a SB and you will still piss and moan that TT should be fired for whatever horseshit reason.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Well I can see things haven't changed much. Why does all the Brett Favre talk always bring out the retards? Brett was the greatest QB to ever play for the Packers. But now he is joining the enemy, and he'll be rooted against with passion from this diehard Packers fan. I agree with Ty, Brett is bound for another 20+ ints. He is no savior, just a quarterback at the end of his career with just a little magic left in the tank and a lot age starting to show. Go back and watch the last 5 Jets games. Favre was horrendous, the Jets played scrubs and they still tanked down the stretch. I for one welcome Favre back in to the league to join the Queens. It'll bring so much more excitement to this season that the memories will last for a long time.

If anyone thinks Favre is going to lead the Vikings to the promised land they need to wake up and join reality. Sadly one of my favorite childhood football players is becoming washed up just as I remember Montana with the Chiefs(he was more successful mind you). I can't wait to watch Favre play again(IF he does) but I am a diehard Packer fan, and will never, ever, cheer for the enemy.

You should really look in the mirror before calling others retards. How come it is ok to blame the Packers shitty year last year on piss poor D and not Rodgers. Yet the Jets D was HORRENDUS the last half of the season last year and it's all Favres fault. How the fuck is that any different?

Your spelling and punctuation are horrendous, or how about atrocious, appalling, and dreadful? People in glass houses...

[cpk1994]

Well I can see things haven't changed much. Why does all the Brett Favre talk always bring out the retards? Brett was the greatest QB to ever play for the Packers. But now he is joining the enemy, and he'll be rooted against with passion from this diehard Packers fan. I agree with Ty, Brett is bound for another 20+ ints. He is no savior, just a quarterback at the end of his career with just a little magic left in the tank and a lot age starting to show. Go back and watch the last 5 Jets games. Favre was horrendous, the Jets played scrubs and they still tanked down the stretch. I for one welcome Favre back in to the league to join the Queens. It'll bring so much more excitement to this season that the memories will last for a long time.

If anyone thinks Favre is going to lead the Vikings to the promised land they need to wake up and join reality. Sadly one of my favorite childhood football players is becoming washed up just as I remember Montana with the Chiefs(he was more successful mind you). I can't wait to watch Favre play again(IF he does) but I am a diehard Packer fan, and will never, ever, cheer for the enemy.

You should really look in the mirror before calling others retards. How come it is ok to blame the Packers shitty year last year on piss poor D and not Rodgers. Yet the Jets D was HORRENDUS the last half of the season last year and it's all Favres fault. How the fuck is that any different?

The Packers defense was blowing leads in the last minutes of games. The Jets couldn't blow leeads becuase they didn't have them with Brett chucking INTS. I don't think you are a packer fan becuase you are flat out insane.

[PlantPage55]

The org owed it to Favre to let him act any way he wanted.

Ha ha, that just made my day. I needed a really big laugh at this point and that's one of the funniest things I have ever read in regards to this. Oh well, at least you're honest about the embarrassing way you feel about this.

[cpk1994]

Gunakor,
The org owed it to Favre to let him act any way he wanted.

So tell me, how well did it go for the last GM to let Favre do that?

Yeah, he is already this close to being fired at the college level.

[RashanGary]

I think it started with Favre not wanting to go to the off season work. He thought they owed it to him to let his teammates work hard without him and he could show up any time. They thought he didn't care enough about football to be a Packer any longer.

Then they gave him some dates and acted almost like they didn't care if he came back or not. His feelings were hurt. He's used to having his butt kissed, so this made him feel like he was no longer loved. If nobody wanted him, then it was time to quit.

The Packers didn't stop him. They said, "OK" and put it on Packers.com before Brett could blink. Favre was like, "whoa, they sure didn't try to stop me, in fact they cemented it as quickly as possible" McCarthy is kind of angry at this point, he feels like if this joker doesn't wnat to be here, we have a great young player who does.

Then Favre started feeling a little pissed off, like he got run out of town. He realized that he really didn't want to quit, but that he was just feeling down because he didn't feel wanted and just didn't want to workout with his teammates. Now he starts telling Campen he wants back in but this time he's angry and he's talked to Bus Cook. Cook tells him if hte Packers don't want him, they'll force his release and go to the Vikes (at the same time he's talking to Chilly and co).

Favre says he's thinking about coming back. The Packers say, "fine, either you're in or your out, but if you're in, we're getting started right now". Favre said, "nah, I'm not quite ready". This time he's thinking, "I just don't want to go to offseason work with my teammates" and he's also thinking hes pissed off and owes these jokers nothing. If they don't like it, they can cut him and he can go to Minnesota.

Favre calls shortly before camp and says he wants in. MM says, "no, we've moved on".

Brett throws huge hissy fit to get cut. He's already pissed off beyond belief that the Packers could care less if he retired or not and didn't really try to keep him.

Brett gets traded

Brett still holds grudge (I'm actually surprised he cannot let it go).

Here we are.