Why is Favre performing so well this year?

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Second, Holmgren was no disaster, he drafted a lot of the guys that were key to him going to the Super Bowl, and traded for Hasselbeck, the QB that got him there. So how is this a disaster? (Holmgren built the core of the dominant super bowl team of 2005 by drafting RB Shaun Alexander ('00), WR Darryl Jackson ('00), LG Steve Hutchinson ('01), DT Rocky Bernard ('02), TE Jeremy Stevens ('02), and CB Ken Lucas ('01), among other great draft selections.)

Actually Tompson was in control of almost all of those draft picks.

And such great picks as Justin Harrell, Brandon Jackson, Brian Brohm, AJ Hawk, Aaron Rouse, and so on and so forth!

Sorry, someone was going to do it eventually.

[Zool]

Second, Holmgren was no disaster, he drafted a lot of the guys that were key to him going to the Super Bowl, and traded for Hasselbeck, the QB that got him there. So how is this a disaster? (Holmgren built the core of the dominant super bowl team of 2005 by drafting RB Shaun Alexander ('00), WR Darryl Jackson ('00), LG Steve Hutchinson ('01), DT Rocky Bernard ('02), TE Jeremy Stevens ('02), and CB Ken Lucas ('01), among other great draft selections.)

Actually Tompson was in control of almost all of those draft picks.

And such great picks as Justin Harrell, Brandon Jackson, Brian Brohm, AJ Hawk, Aaron Rouse, and so on and so forth!

Sorry, someone was going to do it eventually.

Yeah he's made some really bad picks, but to credit Holmgren for building the team in Seattle is about as false as you can get.

Can talent evaluators just lose it? Can they lose the ability to spot talent when all of the pressure is on them? Or is this just a string of bad luck? Or did he have a string of good luck before?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Right. So, you were a TT hater from the beginning. You just admitted it. Yeah, so you were hating him after mm was hired and we went 8-8 and then 13-3. LOL

Side note: Well, this pretty much proves how little you know about football. Holmgren was a DISASTER as a GM. DISASTER. Gruden. Yeah, he has been great at taking over teams that other coaches assembled. Pretty much killed the Bucs.

First, I didnt think we were that good in 2007. I figured 13-3 was a huge fluke just because of the way we won some of the games. I'm not sure why you're attacking me over having a different opinion on this, is that no ok on these message boards?

Second, Holmgren was no disaster, he drafted a lot of the guys that were key to him going to the Super Bowl, and traded for Hasselbeck, the QB that got him there. So how is this a disaster? (Holmgren built the core of the dominant super bowl team of 2005 by drafting RB Shaun Alexander ('00), WR Darryl Jackson ('00), LG Steve Hutchinson ('01), DT Rocky Bernard ('02), TE Jeremy Stevens ('02), and CB Ken Lucas ('01), among other great draft selections.)

And third, Gruden has a ring, he's earned it and theres nothing u can say or do to take it away from him. He's won a lot of football games and I believe hes a discplined coach, that runs the same sort of offense we do that we need around Green Bay. Again, why are u killing me for having a different opinion that yours?


shows how much u know about football... hah kiddin

You are a hater. You just admitted it. You have no basis for it. You don't like TT so 13-3 is a fluke. Was 8-8 a fluke? What about 4-12?

Holmgren: I see. So his record of 31-33 as GM mean nothing? I'm sorry, i thought we judged people on wins and losses..isn't that what you were saying about TT and the pack. That look at what they have built...a shitty team. Seems that after Holmie's 4th year their record was 7-9. LOL

Gruden: Yes, he won a SB. With a LOADED team that another coach built. Gruden's career record is 14 games above 500.

Offense? Have you been watching the Bucs? LOL

Yeah, he is disciplined. That is why TB was top 5 in penalty yardage last year.

Since winning the SB, gruden has ONE season with double digit wins.

[Fritz]

Getting back to the original topic, I have been pondering why Favre is so good this year. Wouldn't it suck if, after all these years, he finally, finally figured out how to channel all that talent - for the damn Vikings???

[Bretsky]

He has a great OL
He has weapons
He has Vets that he connects with
Solid Coaching that he connects with

[MichiganPackerFan]

I strongly disapprove of all lying scumbags, regardless of their ability to win a few football games.

Save it, you most likely lie daily at work and probably at home too.

I didn't know you were a lawyer

[MichiganPackerFan]

Isn't it great that a guy like Favre can just disprove all that bullshit stuff they do all year long?

Yeah, it's great as long as you don't believe in teamwork, chemistry and dedication.

I havent' heard a bitch outta the lockerroom in Minnesota, all love. Can you say the same about Green Bay with their "hard working QB"?

Chemistry eh? Hows Favre and the WR's stats compare to years prior... I'm gonna guess they are a little better? so throw that out...

Dedication? Really?... thats hilarious to a guy thats starting his 300th game following the bye (including playoffs)

Didn't hear much in NY either until the end of the season. We'll see once they hit a couple of consecutive losses...

[MichiganPackerFan]

Second, Holmgren was no disaster, he drafted a lot of the guys that were key to him going to the Super Bowl, and traded for Hasselbeck, the QB that got him there. So how is this a disaster? (Holmgren built the core of the dominant super bowl team of 2005 by drafting RB Shaun Alexander ('00), WR Darryl Jackson ('00), LG Steve Hutchinson ('01), DT Rocky Bernard ('02), TE Jeremy Stevens ('02), and CB Ken Lucas ('01), among other great draft selections.)

Actually Tompson was in control of almost all of those draft picks.

And such great picks as Justin Harrell, Brandon Jackson, Brian Brohm, AJ Hawk, Aaron Rouse, and so on and so forth!

Sorry, someone was going to do it eventually.

And despite some of those names, i still think he's done a LOT better than Sherman!!!

[Tyrone Bigguns]

All that extra work with the high schoolers this summer really paid off.

Isn't it great that a guy like Favre can just disprove all that bullshit stuff they do all year long? Guys like him shouldnt have to attend that shit. It's pointless. These guys need their time off as well and maybe if they had it, more would play as long and as good as Brett has.


I've figure out in a hurry youre going to be a Brett Favre hater, no matter how many times he crams that football in the Packers endzone with a smile on his face.

And, we've figured that you are TT hater and Bert lover.

I'm not a TT hater because of the Favre fiasco though. Well I shouldn't put it that way. That was just the icing on the cake. I don't like his ways of building a team, hate me for it, but I really don't care. We now are seeing how shitty of a team this is. Any time we face real talent, we fold. I wasn't a MM hater for the first couple years, but I sure as hell am now.

side note: I had a dream that Holmgren came back as our GM and Gruden came back as our head coach. Oh its nice to live in the fantasy world.

Right. So, you were a TT hater from the beginning. You just admitted it. Yeah, so you were hating him after mm was hired and we went 8-8 and then 13-3. LOL

Side note: Well, this pretty much proves how little you know about football. Holmgren was a DISASTER as a GM. DISASTER. Gruden. Yeah, he has been great at taking over teams that other coaches assembled. Pretty much killed the Bucs.

read his post b4 answering. Said he wasn't a hater the first couple years...for someone who call people out on this all the time maybe you need to lighten up. The guy makes a good point and you totally misread his statement. This team has been stagenent for a few years now....

Why dont' you try reading and comprehending. He said the FAVRE situation was the ICING on the cake. That means the cake was there from the beginning.

But, just proves how irrational some folks are. They dislike him while he was going 8-8 and 13-3.

No, i didn't misread, you did. You dont' understand a common expression like ICING ON THE CAKE.

The team has been stagnant for a few years? I see, we were 13-3 in 07 but were were stagnant.

Dude, come back when you actually have some logic behind your assertions.

[Smidgeon]

Ya just different opinions. It's all good. I think Favre fans are now happy for the situation he is in, can we say the same about Packer fans? It sure doesnt seem like it.

I can't speak for other Packers fans, but for me, I couldn't care less about him. When he was the GB QB, I liked him. Then he was on another team and AR was the GB QB. Then this thing called cognitive dissonance occurred where the psychological internal conflict reared its head regarding who I would follow if BF played GB (even when he was with the Jets). I realized quickly that I'm a Packer fan, which means that it's irrelevant who plays the Packers. I want the Packers to win. Game that don't include GB, I simply don't care about unless they affect GB's playoff chances, who GB would play in the playoffs, or worsening the division rivals playoff chances and draft stock.

[Smidgeon]

Second, Holmgren was no disaster, he drafted a lot of the guys that were key to him going to the Super Bowl, and traded for Hasselbeck, the QB that got him there. So how is this a disaster? (Holmgren built the core of the dominant super bowl team of 2005 by drafting RB Shaun Alexander ('00), WR Darryl Jackson ('00), LG Steve Hutchinson ('01), DT Rocky Bernard ('02), TE Jeremy Stevens ('02), and CB Ken Lucas ('01), among other great draft selections.)

Actually Tompson was in control of almost all of those draft picks.

And such great picks as Justin Harrell, Brandon Jackson, Brian Brohm, AJ Hawk, Aaron Rouse, and so on and so forth!

Justin Harrell - The guy has skills. Not a bad pick, especially considering his injury is not from college. He just has Terrance Murphy Syndrome: the pick looks bad because of what happened afterwards.

Brandon Jackson - He isn't done yet. He hasn't done a lot yet, but he isn't done yet.

Brohm - Not a bad pick. Most people had him in the top of the 2nd, bottom of the 1st. Another case of TMS where Brohm not stepping up can't really be attributed to TT.

Hawk - Seriously? He's on this list?

Aaron Rouse - Good combine workout, great measurables for a safety, a third round draft pick. Not a first or a second.

My point being, that even if these haven't worked out, you can't blame them on "poor" GMing. The ones that don't work out you can blame on TMS, because they looked good at the time (even JH looked good at the time--a risk, but he looked good).

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Second, Holmgren was no disaster, he drafted a lot of the guys that were key to him going to the Super Bowl, and traded for Hasselbeck, the QB that got him there. So how is this a disaster? (Holmgren built the core of the dominant super bowl team of 2005 by drafting RB Shaun Alexander ('00), WR Darryl Jackson ('00), LG Steve Hutchinson ('01), DT Rocky Bernard ('02), TE Jeremy Stevens ('02), and CB Ken Lucas ('01), among other great draft selections.)

Actually Tompson was in control of almost all of those draft picks.

And such great picks as Justin Harrell, Brandon Jackson, Brian Brohm, AJ Hawk, Aaron Rouse, and so on and so forth!

Sorry, someone was going to do it eventually.

Yeah he's made some really bad picks, but to credit Holmgren for building the team in Seattle is about as false as you can get.

Can talent evaluators just lose it? Can they lose the ability to spot talent when all of the pressure is on them? Or is this just a string of bad luck? Or did he have a string of good luck before?

I think TT is solid at some positions and less so at others.

[Smidgeon]

Second, Holmgren was no disaster, he drafted a lot of the guys that were key to him going to the Super Bowl, and traded for Hasselbeck, the QB that got him there. So how is this a disaster? (Holmgren built the core of the dominant super bowl team of 2005 by drafting RB Shaun Alexander ('00), WR Darryl Jackson ('00), LG Steve Hutchinson ('01), DT Rocky Bernard ('02), TE Jeremy Stevens ('02), and CB Ken Lucas ('01), among other great draft selections.)

Actually Tompson was in control of almost all of those draft picks.

And such great picks as Justin Harrell, Brandon Jackson, Brian Brohm, AJ Hawk, Aaron Rouse, and so on and so forth!

Sorry, someone was going to do it eventually.

Yeah he's made some really bad picks, but to credit Holmgren for building the team in Seattle is about as false as you can get.

Can talent evaluators just lose it? Can they lose the ability to spot talent when all of the pressure is on them? Or is this just a string of bad luck? Or did he have a string of good luck before?

I think TT is solid at some positions and less so at others.

That is something with which I can unequivocally agree.

[LEWCWA]

All that extra work with the high schoolers this summer really paid off.

Isn't it great that a guy like Favre can just disprove all that bullshit stuff they do all year long? Guys like him shouldnt have to attend that shit. It's pointless. These guys need their time off as well and maybe if they had it, more would play as long and as good as Brett has.


I've figure out in a hurry youre going to be a Brett Favre hater, no matter how many times he crams that football in the Packers endzone with a smile on his face.

And, we've figured that you are TT hater and Bert lover.

I'm not a TT hater because of the Favre fiasco though. Well I shouldn't put it that way. That was just the icing on the cake. I don't like his ways of building a team, hate me for it, but I really don't care. We now are seeing how shitty of a team this is. Any time we face real talent, we fold. I wasn't a MM hater for the first couple years, but I sure as hell am now.

side note: I had a dream that Holmgren came back as our GM and Gruden came back as our head coach. Oh its nice to live in the fantasy world.

Right. So, you were a TT hater from the beginning. You just admitted it. Yeah, so you were hating him after mm was hired and we went 8-8 and then 13-3. LOL

Side note: Well, this pretty much proves how little you know about football. Holmgren was a DISASTER as a GM. DISASTER. Gruden. Yeah, he has been great at taking over teams that other coaches assembled. Pretty much killed the Bucs.

read his post b4 answering. Said he wasn't a hater the first couple years...for someone who call people out on this all the time maybe you need to lighten up. The guy makes a good point and you totally misread his statement. This team has been stagenent for a few years now....

Why dont' you try reading and comprehending. He said the FAVRE situation was the ICING on the cake. That means the cake was there from the beginning.

But, just proves how irrational some folks are. They dislike him while he was going 8-8 and 13-3.

No, i didn't misread, you did. You dont' understand a common expression like ICING ON THE CAKE.

The team has been stagnant for a few years? I see, we were 13-3 in 07 but were were stagnant.

Dude, come back when you actually have some logic behind your assertions.

Your right as usual--13-3 was an abberation for this team. Fueled by a dynamic Favre. Anyhow, I don't hate TT-he is solid except for OL it seems, MM is a good coach maybe not great though. This team is what it is a .500 ball club give or take a game or 2 either way. Not all bad!

[Tyrone Bigguns]

All that extra work with the high schoolers this summer really paid off.

Isn't it great that a guy like Favre can just disprove all that bullshit stuff they do all year long? Guys like him shouldnt have to attend that shit. It's pointless. These guys need their time off as well and maybe if they had it, more would play as long and as good as Brett has.


I've figure out in a hurry youre going to be a Brett Favre hater, no matter how many times he crams that football in the Packers endzone with a smile on his face.

And, we've figured that you are TT hater and Bert lover.

I'm not a TT hater because of the Favre fiasco though. Well I shouldn't put it that way. That was just the icing on the cake. I don't like his ways of building a team, hate me for it, but I really don't care. We now are seeing how shitty of a team this is. Any time we face real talent, we fold. I wasn't a MM hater for the first couple years, but I sure as hell am now.

side note: I had a dream that Holmgren came back as our GM and Gruden came back as our head coach. Oh its nice to live in the fantasy world.

Right. So, you were a TT hater from the beginning. You just admitted it. Yeah, so you were hating him after mm was hired and we went 8-8 and then 13-3. LOL

Side note: Well, this pretty much proves how little you know about football. Holmgren was a DISASTER as a GM. DISASTER. Gruden. Yeah, he has been great at taking over teams that other coaches assembled. Pretty much killed the Bucs.

read his post b4 answering. Said he wasn't a hater the first couple years...for someone who call people out on this all the time maybe you need to lighten up. The guy makes a good point and you totally misread his statement. This team has been stagenent for a few years now....

Why dont' you try reading and comprehending. He said the FAVRE situation was the ICING on the cake. That means the cake was there from the beginning.

But, just proves how irrational some folks are. They dislike him while he was going 8-8 and 13-3.

No, i didn't misread, you did. You dont' understand a common expression like ICING ON THE CAKE.

The team has been stagnant for a few years? I see, we were 13-3 in 07 but were were stagnant.

Dude, come back when you actually have some logic behind your assertions.

Your right as usual--13-3 was an abberation for this team. Fueled by a dynamic Favre. Anyhow, I don't hate TT-he is solid except for OL it seems, MM is a good coach maybe not great though. This team is what it is a .500 ball club give or take a game or 2 either way. Not all bad!

Translation: I was way off base in my statement about being stagnant, so let's switch the argument.

I see, the 13-3 was fueled by Bert. Was the 4-12 fueled by him as well? What about 8-8? Fueling or not fueling?