Why is Favre performing so well this year?

[LEWCWA]

All that extra work with the high schoolers this summer really paid off.

Isn't it great that a guy like Favre can just disprove all that bullshit stuff they do all year long? Guys like him shouldnt have to attend that shit. It's pointless. These guys need their time off as well and maybe if they had it, more would play as long and as good as Brett has.


I've figure out in a hurry youre going to be a Brett Favre hater, no matter how many times he crams that football in the Packers endzone with a smile on his face.

And, we've figured that you are TT hater and Bert lover.

I'm not a TT hater because of the Favre fiasco though. Well I shouldn't put it that way. That was just the icing on the cake. I don't like his ways of building a team, hate me for it, but I really don't care. We now are seeing how shitty of a team this is. Any time we face real talent, we fold. I wasn't a MM hater for the first couple years, but I sure as hell am now.

side note: I had a dream that Holmgren came back as our GM and Gruden came back as our head coach. Oh its nice to live in the fantasy world.

Right. So, you were a TT hater from the beginning. You just admitted it. Yeah, so you were hating him after mm was hired and we went 8-8 and then 13-3. LOL

Side note: Well, this pretty much proves how little you know about football. Holmgren was a DISASTER as a GM. DISASTER. Gruden. Yeah, he has been great at taking over teams that other coaches assembled. Pretty much killed the Bucs.

read his post b4 answering. Said he wasn't a hater the first couple years...for someone who call people out on this all the time maybe you need to lighten up. The guy makes a good point and you totally misread his statement. This team has been stagenent for a few years now....

Why dont' you try reading and comprehending. He said the FAVRE situation was the ICING on the cake. That means the cake was there from the beginning.

But, just proves how irrational some folks are. They dislike him while he was going 8-8 and 13-3.

No, i didn't misread, you did. You dont' understand a common expression like ICING ON THE CAKE.

The team has been stagnant for a few years? I see, we were 13-3 in 07 but were were stagnant.

Dude, come back when you actually have some logic behind your assertions.

Your right as usual--13-3 was an abberation for this team. Fueled by a dynamic Favre. Anyhow, I don't hate TT-he is solid except for OL it seems, MM is a good coach maybe not great though. This team is what it is a .500 ball club give or take a game or 2 either way. Not all bad!

Translation: I was way off base in my statement about being stagnant, so let's switch the argument.

I see, the 13-3 was fueled by Bert. Was the 4-12 fueled by him as well? What about 8-8? Fueling or not fueling?

No like I said you were right about the TT stuff--stagnent team is just my opinion and yes I think 4-12 was fueled by Brett. That team probably wasn't that bad, but they weren't good. Brett handed plenty of those games away. "trying to make something happen"

[bobblehead]

Talent. Percy Harvin is a freak of nature (super star) and while Green was the best all-around back (or top few) during his prime, he's no AP.

Favre also has an elite D behind him which is not to be under estimated.

For a guy who insists we can't put ARod in BF's class yet (and I agree) you make the dead same opposite point here.

How about this. Lets wait for AP to put up the long term consistency before we put him in ahman's league just yet.

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Talent. Percy Harvin is a freak of nature (super star) and while Green was the best all-around back (or top few) during his prime, he's no AP.

Favre also has an elite D behind him which is not to be under estimated.

For a guy who insists we can't put ARod in BF's class yet (and I agree) you make the dead same opposite point here.

How about this. Lets wait for AP to put up the long term consistency before we put him in ahman's league just yet.

I'm not saying the Pete will have as long or successful as of a career, but in terms of pure talent, both are out of this world and it's still not close. Ahman Green was an awesome player for a good amount of time. Any player would be fortunate to have as much success and be paid as lucratively.

If Ryan Grant is Earth, Green is Saturn and Peterson is Jupiter.

I've been a big Pete fan since I saw him as a freshman at OU. He was ridiculous and still is. He's the most powerful, strongest back in the league with speed almost at Chris Johnson level with nearly the moves of Barry Sanders.

The guy is out of this world. The biggest flaw in his game is he always trys to hit the home run. From what I've seen of him in the NFL he'll either get a yard or two, 10 yards, or go the distance. Rarely does he get a solid 4 yard carry, at least from what I've seen.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

All that extra work with the high schoolers this summer really paid off.

Isn't it great that a guy like Favre can just disprove all that bullshit stuff they do all year long? Guys like him shouldnt have to attend that shit. It's pointless. These guys need their time off as well and maybe if they had it, more would play as long and as good as Brett has.


I've figure out in a hurry youre going to be a Brett Favre hater, no matter how many times he crams that football in the Packers endzone with a smile on his face.

And, we've figured that you are TT hater and Bert lover.

I'm not a TT hater because of the Favre fiasco though. Well I shouldn't put it that way. That was just the icing on the cake. I don't like his ways of building a team, hate me for it, but I really don't care. We now are seeing how shitty of a team this is. Any time we face real talent, we fold. I wasn't a MM hater for the first couple years, but I sure as hell am now.

side note: I had a dream that Holmgren came back as our GM and Gruden came back as our head coach. Oh its nice to live in the fantasy world.

Right. So, you were a TT hater from the beginning. You just admitted it. Yeah, so you were hating him after mm was hired and we went 8-8 and then 13-3. LOL

Side note: Well, this pretty much proves how little you know about football. Holmgren was a DISASTER as a GM. DISASTER. Gruden. Yeah, he has been great at taking over teams that other coaches assembled. Pretty much killed the Bucs.

read his post b4 answering. Said he wasn't a hater the first couple years...for someone who call people out on this all the time maybe you need to lighten up. The guy makes a good point and you totally misread his statement. This team has been stagenent for a few years now....

Why dont' you try reading and comprehending. He said the FAVRE situation was the ICING on the cake. That means the cake was there from the beginning.

But, just proves how irrational some folks are. They dislike him while he was going 8-8 and 13-3.

No, i didn't misread, you did. You dont' understand a common expression like ICING ON THE CAKE.

The team has been stagnant for a few years? I see, we were 13-3 in 07 but were were stagnant.

Dude, come back when you actually have some logic behind your assertions.

Your right as usual--13-3 was an abberation for this team. Fueled by a dynamic Favre. Anyhow, I don't hate TT-he is solid except for OL it seems, MM is a good coach maybe not great though. This team is what it is a .500 ball club give or take a game or 2 either way. Not all bad!

Translation: I was way off base in my statement about being stagnant, so let's switch the argument.

I see, the 13-3 was fueled by Bert. Was the 4-12 fueled by him as well? What about 8-8? Fueling or not fueling?

No like I said you were right about the TT stuff--stagnent team is just my opinion and yes I think 4-12 was fueled by Brett. That team probably wasn't that bad, but they weren't good. Brett handed plenty of those games away. "trying to make something happen"

Ok. My fault. Apologize. Sometimes it is hard to tell when people are being honest and not just sarcastic. My bad.

I pretty much agree with your assessment of TT and MM.

[mraynrand]

If Ryan Grant is Earth, Green is Saturn and Peterson is Jupiter.

Priceless.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

If Ryan Grant is Earth, Green is Saturn and Peterson is Jupiter.

Priceless.

Ty was waiting for somebody to notice it.

gold, jerry, gold.

[Scott Campbell]

If Ryan Grant is Earth, Green is Saturn and Peterson is Jupiter.

Priceless.

Ty was waiting for somebody to notice it.

gold, jerry, gold.

Hey P, Is Brett Favre Uranus?

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I don't get what is so funny. You guys are weird.

[channtheman]

Talent. Percy Harvin is a freak of nature (super star) and while Green was the best all-around back (or top few) during his prime, he's no AP.

Favre also has an elite D behind him which is not to be under estimated.

I'm not even talking about wins though. His defense should not play in to the fact that he's thrown only 3 INT's this year.

Not true. Everything is inter-related.

With a good D, you know you don't need to score say 30 pts, for example, and that say 17 will do. Ipso facto, he doesn't take the risk of chucking it down field for a pick, for example.

I disagree. I remember at least one game against Cincinatti a few years ago where Favre threw 5 INT's and we lost 21-14 or something like that. Or are you saying that Favre must take risks if he doesn't have a good D? The playoff game against the Eagles or the Vikings where he would launch a lame duck to no one was a result of a less than stellar defense?

There isn't a direct correlation. Having a D does not mean he's not going to take risks or make stupid throws. Having a D likely effects his thought process, though.

I can see what you're saying Partial, but it could go both ways. On one hand, him having a good D means he DOESN'T take risks because he knows he won't have to put up a lot of points. On the other hand, you almost think knowing Favre he would sling it around more as his D is good enough to get him out of most jams. But you're probably right at this point because he only has 3 INT's and isn't really making the bad risky throws.

[channtheman]

After reading the topic though I see it was fiercely fucked in the ass because someone had to mention Thompson. Jesus people I didn't mention Thompson or Rodgers in the original post because I know how this place goes after they are mentioned. Seriously, how many times do we have to rehash the same old tired argument about TT?

[Zool]

Im guessing 7 years after he quits/gets fired people will stop talking about him.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I don't get what is so funny. You guys are weird.

google our solar system, dope.

[MichiganPackerFan]

If Ryan Grant is Earth, Green is Saturn and Peterson is Jupiter.

Priceless.

Ty was waiting for somebody to notice it.

gold, jerry, gold.

Hey P, Is Brett Favre Uranus?

funny shit!!

[Maxie the Taxi]

A couple things:

For the first time in his career, Favre admitted last year that his play hurt his team. He had the crutch of the injury for an excuse, but he admitted that the interceptions hurt the Jets. In the past, he excused it by "trying to make a play."

Favre HAS changed. Almost an awakening of sorts. Both Percy Harvin and T. Jackson have commented on how much Favre has tried to help them this year, explaining things, giving advice, etc. Contrast that with his cold attitude toward Rodgers (saying it wasn't his job to teach Rodgers anything) and the article about how he barely even spoke to Jennings as a rookie.

After the Packers and Jets were willing to move on without him, perhaps he is making more of an effort in those areas.

Your comment is right on the money. I don't think a lot of people want to believe it. In addition, consider this. Football is first and foremost an emotional game. Favre is one of the most emotional players I've ever witnessed. When he's driven emotionally to succeed, he's very, very good. When the emotional motivation is lacking and lagging, he bungles.

Favre has a lot of emotional capital invested in returning to the Vikings and, despite what he says, in beating his old team head-to-head.

Now that the head-to-head battles are over, it will be interesting to see if Favre can maintain over the rest of the season his high emotional level and, consequently, his high level of performance.

[Merlin]

I see Favre playing within the system to a certain degree and you can argue that at least two of the throws he made this year were gunslinger moves. The throw to beat the 49er's was classic Favre and the chuck it up bomb to put the Vikings in field goal range against Baltimore was also classic Favre. There really isn't much to analyze here, the Vikings have a good team and Favre is still a pretty good QB. Even in their loss to Pittsburgh, how many times have you seen a receiver over the years tip a Favre pass for a pick? Too many to count. Doesn't matter on the stat sheet and although it doesn't excuse some of the boneheaded throws he has made in his career, there are far more "should have been caught" interceptions than bone headed throw interceptions. Haters never bring that up.

As for jumping on someone for a difference of opinion, that's nothing new here. Thompson is STILL sticking to ho hum rhetoric like “I think everybody to a man would say we have room to improve. We’re fighting, we’re scratching, we’re playing hard. But we think can do better. We think we can play better.” It seems McCarthy has also decided to stick with his "I don't know, I have to look at the tape" and it's getting very old.

Enough of this garbage, they both need to be accountable for the performance of this team and neither of them will man up. No more "we think" no more "have to see the tape", time to realize the NFL is about winning and if they can't get it done, it's time to move on - hopefully to someone who uses the words "I know" instead of "we think" and "I made a mistake" instead of ""I have to see the tape". And that isn't "hating" on them, that's reality, they are sucking at their jobs big time.