What if this team goes 10-6?

[Cheesehead Craig]

PB,
In respect to the penalties, it seems an inordinate number of them have been on special teams. I remember when the D would give up more illegal contact and holding then they have this season. I don't think we've had many holds on the OL either come to think of it.

Have you noticed the same or am I off?

[woodbuck27]

Re: What if this team goes 10-6?

I see a lot of vitirol in the posts most of you are making. Fire TT. Fire MM. Scrap the O line. Hawk Sucks. Kamp is gone...ect...ect...

what would you all say if the Pack goes 6-2 the rest of the season and makes the playoffs?

I'd say that the Packer coach's and players really turned it around. As a fan that's what I expect to happen and 8-8 doesn't cut it. The GM supplies the players. If their inadequate then MM has to ask for more and TT has to do something to get fresh talent onboard. It's game to game when your half way through the schedule and 4-4.

I just cannot get into this attitude of ....''we'll wait till seasons end and then re-assess the whole thing''. We have to beat Dallas at home this week. No. . . if's, and's or but's about it. If we don't as fans we should be looking for some real changes.

No more of this lolly dogging attitude.

After moving to 7W - 4L lets look at the remaining schedule:

Mon., Dec. 7 Baltimore Ravens . . . 7:30 p.m. ESPN
Sun., Dec. 13 @ Chicago Bears . . . 12:00 p.m. FOX
Sun., Dec. 20 @ Pittsburgh Steelers . . . 12:00 p.m. FOX
Sun., Dec. 27 Seattle Seahawks . . . 12:00 p.m. FOX
Sun., Jan. 3 @ Arizona Cardinals . . . 3:15 p.m. FOX

It looks to me as if our team is capable of winning at least three of these games which will give the Packers an excellent shot at the playoffs. The first big test will come on MNF Dec. 7, 2009 Vs the Ravens. That game is huge. We have to win that game and bring our record to 14W and 14L with Aaron Rodgers at QB and get that monkey off our backs.

GO PACKERS!

[The Shadow]

Three reasons for cheer :
1. Pack will be well-rested * prepared for Ravens
2. Home game
3. Ravens coming off huge emotional game versus Steelers

[woodbuck27]

Three reasons for cheer :
1. Pack will be well-rested * prepared for Ravens
2. Home game
3. Ravens coming off huge emotional game versus Steelers

also... the Packers are handling adversity and it's going to be tough for the Ravens to win this game (in Lambeau) on the road. It's also a must win for the Packers to continue momentum.

GO PACKERS!

[ThunderDan]

Re: What if this team goes 10-6?

That game is huge. We have to win that game and bring our record to 14W and 14L with Aaron Rodgers at QB and get that monkey off our backs.

GO PACKERS!

What monkey???

That ARod isn't an above .500 starter isn't all his fault and I would guess his cummulative W-L isn't even thought about. I am sure ARod's only focus is we're 7-4 and have Baltimore this week!

[woodbuck27]

Re: What if this team goes 10-6?

That game is huge. We have to win that game and bring our record to 14W and 14L with Aaron Rodgers at QB and get that monkey off our backs.

GO PACKERS!

What monkey???

That ARod isn't an above .500 starter isn't all his fault and I would guess his cummulative W-L isn't even thought about. I am sure ARod's only focus is we're 7-4 and have Baltimore this week!

Certainly. It's important that the Packers have more wins than loss's.

and . . . No! Aaron Rodgers only focus should be on getting the win. Nothing but the win really matters. Recently Donovan McNabb passed for 450 yards but the Eagles lost that game. The only stat that matters is ' the WIN '.

GO PACKERS!

[bobblehead]

I've had thoughts about bumping this thread, but I didn't want to jinx things. We are playing well right now, but I'm a realist and things could go bad still after losing Kampman and Harris.

[woodbuck27]

I've had thoughts about bumping this thread, but I didn't want to jinx things. We are playing well right now, but I'm a realist and things could go bad still after losing Kampman and Harris.

Handling adversity is simply a part of it and never an excuse.

[Packers4Ever]

What if we finished 4-12? We just lost to TB, I'm sorry but this season is over in my mind. Hopefully I'm wrong and we make alittle run like the Cardinals last season.

Brandon, there's an old song that goes "pick yourself up, dust yourself

off and start all over again."

[Packers4Ever]

I am now in the camp that thinks MM is a below average coach and that may be all he will ever amount to.

I think one area where M3 is a great coach is in developing young QBs. Since AR is exiting that range, I expect his impact with him is diminishing. But Flynn and Brohm, however, might still be reaping benefits that might lead to a good future trade. Likely? Unlikely? Who knows. But maybe M3 has run his course. Maybe.

You do know Brohm has left us, don't you?
Went to - - - darn can't think which one, not one of the 'biggies.'

[woodbuck27]

I am now in the camp that thinks MM is a below average coach and that may be all he will ever amount to.

I think one area where M3 is a great coach is in developing young QBs. Since AR is exiting that range, I expect his impact with him is diminishing. But Flynn and Brohm, however, might still be reaping benefits that might lead to a good future trade. Likely? Unlikely? Who knows. But maybe M3 has run his course. Maybe.

You do know Brohm has left us, don't you?
Went to - - - darn can't think which one, not one of the 'biggies.'

Brian Brohm is now a Buffalo Bill.

[pbmax]

After the Ravens game, 4 Wins Down, 4 to go.

Penalties:

Pass Interference (TWill) - 43
Holding (Clifton) - 10
Pass Interference (Wood) - 9
Offside (Matthews) - 5
False Start (Clifton) - 5
Holding (ST-Obiozor) - 10
Holding (Wells) - 10
Offside (Jolly) - 5 declined
Pass Interference (TWill) - 41
Holding (Tauscher) - 10
Pass Interference (TWill) - 22
Illegal Block (Jenkins) - 10

Total 11 enforced (12 called) for 175 yards

[bobblehead]

Man, really? The optimism in this thread is intolerable. I don't think there is a snowball's chance in hell this team can go 6-2 here on out. This team has way too many problems...terrible o line, a non anticipative qb, no pass rush, bad offensive game planning, and a horrendous special teams outfit.

There is a whole lot of kool aid guzzling going on here.

Yes, its unheard of for a 4-4 midpoint team to finish 10-6...never happens.

Think before you type, most of us don't "expect" to go 10-6, but if you don't think its possible you are more deluded than those that think it is.

Given the schedule coming up and the fact we've not beaten a winning team since week 4 Indy last year (I have no idea if this is true, Bedard said this on the radio and I don't care to look it up), I don't think it's that unreasonable.

Ravens have had a much tougher schedule and look like an infinitely better 4-4 team than us.

Dallas looks light years better. They're OL is huge, Romo will have all day, and Rodgers won't have any time because there is a zero percent chance of having an banged up or misplaced tackle compete with DW.

Steelers are going to be damn near impossible to beat on the road. They've also won 4 in a row, including last night against the 6-1 Broncos. We haven't beaten a winning team, let alone an elite team in a long time.

Cardinals are clicking right now and look much faster and deeper offensively and better defensively as well.

We squeeked one out against the Bears when Cutler threw 4 picks. This was at home w/ two weeks to prepare. What are the odds we have a repeat performance, especially with Lovie having our number the past 5 years or so. I'd say slim.

I think they're going to drop those 5 for sure. The other games are debatable.

Thank you for this post, I agree wholeheartedly.

And Bobblehead your calling me out for being delusional. Please tell me you're kidding right? This team has no chance of going 6-2 here on out. I challenge you to give a little reasoning as to why you think it is instead of taking a swipe.

Again, like I said, I don't "expect" to go 6-2, but here is a little reasoning.

Forest Gregg once had a team that was 1-7 and looked like complete horseshit...they finished 8-8.

Last year the cardinals were 7-3, dropped 5 out of the next 7 and then ran the table to the superbowl.

2 years ago the giants were 6-2 at the midpoint then finished 10-6, then went on to beat the bucs, packers, and cowboys all on the road and then knocked off the perfect patriots to win the superbowl...in the regular season their record was 0-4 against the pack, cowboys and patriots.

I could continue with this all night, but I think its unquestionable that those of us that say it "could" happen are being much more realistic than those of you that say "no way in hell" it can happen.

Again is it likely...no, but its anything but a forgone conclusion that it can't happen....hell, in 2006 the packers were 1-4, then later 4-8 before running the last 4 and barely missing the playoffs....yea, not even possible they could suddenly click and finish 10-6....that kind of thing never happens.

Lesson over, go back to making outlandish statements then acting indignant when someone points out the extreme hyperbole you are using.

PS...If we do finish 10-6 I can't wait to hear how we didn't actually win 6 games, it was just that 6 teams played really bad and "gave" us a win.

Bobblehead if they go 6-2 the rest of the way, they go 6-2 with no excuses. period.

The problem with your reasoning is that it deals with "other" teams. In no way do you make arguments using the strengths of this particular Packer roster. In my earlier post I gave a number of reasons which again includes: a non existant Packer rush amidst a total defensive system overhaul, a coach who is absolutely horrendous with his ability to scheme an opponent/playcall, an offensive line that is an embarrasment and a laughingstock, and a qb who has unequivocally regressed (to what extent remains a question). Probably the biggest one that I'll throw out now is the big play secondary is nowhere to be found. This leads me to believe they are not buying the system or luck is working itself out. Think about the turnover differential early in the season. If that has now swung the other way, things will be ugly. Couple these reasons along with a schedule that is more difficult than most around here would admit and you have a recipe for a team that will not finish 6-2 to close. I feel that strongly to use the absolute.

The thing about all of this that has me sitting back and observing how all this plays out is the fact that the Packers cannot use injuries as an excuse.

You asked for reasoning, not Packer specific reasoning...quit changing the parameters midway please.

Ok, Packer reasons we can turn it around.

1) Every year our running game gets stronger as the season progresses. It is looking a tad better right now....but we gotta stick with it.
2) Mathews and Raji are coming on....especially Mathews.
3) Jordy and Finley returning will bump the ST and offense a bit.
4) The players should get more comfortable and the coaching staff utilizing the players in the 3-4.
5) We discovered a player in Lang and getting him on the field will be a plus. Hell, anything should be a plus in the OL, they almost CAN'T play worse.
6) I can't imagine continuing to screw up the punt and kick teams...at some point guys gotta get replaced with guys who don't give up 70 yard returns.

Thats a handful of things that could work out better. Just as we looked unstoppable against other teams #1's in preseason we have looked god awful at times....but when you have a QB that can audible and hit James Jones for a long score anytime a defense lines up wrong you got a shot.

Quit being silly. Of course I am talking about specific 09-10 Green Bay Packer reasoning.

1) Every year our running game gets stronger as the season progresses. It is looking a tad better right now....but we gotta stick with it.

Just because the running game may become more successful doesn't mean McCarthy will know how to exploit that in an offensive gameplan. Also, if the Green Bay keeps spotting 14 pts to start the game, all the running game in the world isn't going to help.

2) Mathews and Raji are coming on....especially Mathews.

I will give you Mathews, but Raji to this point just looks like another body. He may grow to be good, but for the next 8 games I doubt he will be a playmaker.

3) Jordy and Finley returning will bump the ST and offense a bit.

Theoretically, yes. However, if the offensive line doesn't block and Rogers doesn't snap out of this funk, these two won't make any difference.

4) The players should get more comfortable and the coaching staff utilizing the players in the 3-4.

Wow, you give this coaching staff alot of credit. This only works if the Packers improve greater than their opponents. In other words I can say that the opponents are also improving and their coaching staffs are also utiilizing their players better.

5) We discovered a player in Lang and getting him on the field will be a plus. Hell, anything should be a plus in the OL, they almost CAN'T play worse.

A rookie is going to save this offensive line?

6) I can't imagine continuing to screw up the punt and kick teams...at some point guys gotta get replaced with guys who don't give up 70 yard returns.

Why not? It's been going on this long. McCarthy's tendency to overlook the small things is a major knock against him. I have no faith in his ability to clean up the special teams or penalities.

Thats a handful of things that could work out better. Just as we looked unstoppable against other teams #1's in preseason we have looked god awful at times....but when you have a QB that can audible and hit James Jones for a long score anytime a defense lines up wrong you got a shot.

It's the PRESEASON! So what if you can hit a home run on the big play. Unless you sustain drives and play sound football, that big play will only win you a possible 1 or 2 games.

BOOMSHAKALAKAA!!! FACE!!!

OK, OK, we haven't gotten to 10-6 yet, and the wheels could still come off, but I would say the point has been made that you overstated your case. And I always enjoy being part of a monster quote chain.

[pbmax]

Bobble, c'mon. Can you tone that down a little? Just for some peace around here? Thanks.

[Brandon494]

What if we finished 4-12? We just lost to TB, I'm sorry but this season is over in my mind. Hopefully I'm wrong and we make alittle run like the Cardinals last season.

Brandon, there's an old song that goes "pick yourself up, dust yourself

off and start all over again."

haha don't even remember writing this. Must have been really down after the TB loss. Glad we are making alittle run though.