What if this team goes 10-6?

[Fritz]

It'd be easier to get on the optimism train if this team had given any indication it was improving.

That's my problem. They've gotten worse, not better, as the season has gone on. And now they're playing a team with a dynamo pass rush and a balanced offense?

I hope they win. But I'm down to hope.

Now, if they improve on special teams, defensive pass rush, and offensive line protection yet still lose today, then I'll be more optimistic next week. But when is this improvement finally going to begin? And when or if it happens, will it be too late?

[bobblehead]

How about whenever someone makes a ridiculous assertion without any basis i just call it bobbling?

Once again, the man who claims superior values has been shown to lack in basic values.

Ty, I never said you make the ridiculous assertions. I did apologize for bringing your name into it. I honestly thought you were thick skinned and it wouldn't bother you, now that I know better it won't happen again.

All I was saying is that if you start losing a debate you like to shift it to any little minutia on the topic and try to debate a different point. Hell, I'm not even criticizing, its a legit strategy (for debate, not for trying to get to the truth). Personally if I get proven wrong I reassess my position. Like now, I was wrong to involve your name, I meant it as good natured ribbing. You certainly have taken enough shots at me over the years that I thought it was no big deal, but again...won't happen again. Now I'm going to drop it as 2 apologies on the same subject is all I'm giving.

[pbmax]

It'd be easier to get on the optimism train if this team had given any indication it was improving.

That's my problem. They've gotten worse, not better, as the season has gone on. And now they're playing a team with a dynamo pass rush and a balanced offense?

I hope they win. But I'm down to hope.

Now, if they improve on special teams, defensive pass rush, and offensive line protection yet still lose today, then I'll be more optimistic next week. But when is this improvement finally going to begin? And when or if it happens, will it be too late?

Fewer penalties versus Tampa. 5 for 35. After 6-45 versus Vikes, we will be at 0 penalties per game by Week 14.

[Tony Oday]

We are coming!

[Tyrone Bigguns]

How about whenever someone makes a ridiculous assertion without any basis i just call it bobbling?

Once again, the man who claims superior values has been shown to lack in basic values.

Ty, I never said you make the ridiculous assertions. I did apologize for bringing your name into it. I honestly thought you were thick skinned and it wouldn't bother you, now that I know better it won't happen again.

All I was saying is that if you start losing a debate you like to shift it to any little minutia on the topic and try to debate a different point. Hell, I'm not even criticizing, its a legit strategy (for debate, not for trying to get to the truth). Personally if I get proven wrong I reassess my position. Like now, I was wrong to involve your name, I meant it as good natured ribbing. You certainly have taken enough shots at me over the years that I thought it was no big deal, but again...won't happen again. Now I'm going to drop it as 2 apologies on the same subject is all I'm giving.

Again, you make a claim that has no validity. Ty doesn't shift once i'm losing a debate...again, that is YOUR view. Your view of when someone is winning or losing.

And, you make it out like it is some sort of decision. All of which is blatantly false.

If you meant it as good natured ribbing..you should have done it with me. And, the tone that you displayed in your post to Outflow didn't seem good natured at all. Perhaps you might reevaluate how you sound to others when you start a post by calling them idiots, etc.

Lastly, i don't take shots at you in the packer forum. And, when i do make a veiled comment, it is in direct response to your post.

Ty doesn't argue with someone on this forum and then take a "shot" at you in the course of that discussion. Find ONE example and I will gladly reassess my thoughts.

Ty will accept your apology.

P.S. I thought you were 100 right in your thoughts regarding the pack and outflow.

[bobblehead]

I didn't call him an idiot until he made himself out to be an idiot. My tone wasn't respectful at that point because I answered him directly twice and he played the "doesn't count" game with me. He could have just said I disagree, we'll see at the end of the season.

Yes, i took a jab at you as we spar in FYI, meant no offense believe it or not. Apologized twice, thats my limit, done with topic.

[get louder at lambeau]

5 - 11 is far more likely than going above 500 imo.

Care to revise this one, one week later, Partial?

[Partial]

5 - 11 is far more likely than going above 500 imo.

Care to revise this one, one week later, Partial?

We'll see. They're 5-4 right now. They have to win 3 more games against a tough schedule. The only for sure win should be against Detroit. Possibly Chicago, but I have a hard time imagining that Lovie won't have the troops fired up for that one.

[PackerTimer]

5 - 11 is far more likely than going above 500 imo.

Care to revise this one, one week later, Partial?

We'll see. They're 5-4 right now. They have to win 3 more games against a tough schedule. The only for sure win should be against Detroit. Possibly Chicago, but I have a hard time imagining that Lovie won't have the troops fired up for that one.

You could probably add Seattle at home too.

But I agree with you. As much as I am happy with the win, it's not an easy road to end the season and they still have to protect better and stop those damn penalties. At this point in the season, I'm not really confident we'll see either. Hopeful but not confident.

[AtlPackFan]

I am doubling down and staying with the captain of this ship. No reason to bail now, there will be plenty of time to deconstruct failure if it comes to that during the playoffs. Plenty of time for coach speculation too.

I predicted 12-3-1 after being influenced by preseason fever. It would seem the best we can do is 12-4. So I will be off by half a game.

That's right. Packers are going 8-0 second half. TJ Lang, future Pro Football Hall of Fame!

I've been looking for my kool-aid. I knew I'd find it. Hand it over!

[Tyrone Bigguns]

5 - 11 is far more likely than going above 500 imo.

Care to revise this one, one week later, Partial?

We'll see. They're 5-4 right now. They have to win 3 more games against a tough schedule. The only for sure win should be against Detroit. Possibly Chicago, but I have a hard time imagining that Lovie won't have the troops fired up for that one.

apparently you don't even undestand what you wrote. Is 5-11 more likely than 8-8? Nope.

[pbmax]

I am doubling down and staying with the captain of this ship. No reason to bail now, there will be plenty of time to deconstruct failure if it comes to that during the playoffs. Plenty of time for coach speculation too.

I predicted 12-3-1 after being influenced by preseason fever. It would seem the best we can do is 12-4. So I will be off by half a game.

That's right. Packers are going 8-0 second half. TJ Lang, future Pro Football Hall of Fame!

I've been looking for my kool-aid. I knew I'd find it. Hand it over!

Plenty of Kool-Aid for everyone. Except if you had a false start penalty at Lambeau Sunday. then you get nothing and like it.

1 down, 7 to go.

[pbmax]

It'd be easier to get on the optimism train if this team had given any indication it was improving.

That's my problem. They've gotten worse, not better, as the season has gone on. And now they're playing a team with a dynamo pass rush and a balanced offense?

I hope they win. But I'm down to hope.

Now, if they improve on special teams, defensive pass rush, and offensive line protection yet still lose today, then I'll be more optimistic next week. But when is this improvement finally going to begin? And when or if it happens, will it be too late?

Fewer penalties versus Tampa. 5 for 35. After 6-45 versus Vikes, we will be at 0 penalties per game by Week 14.

I'm going to need to fix this. No excuses.

[Partial]

5 - 11 is far more likely than going above 500 imo.

Care to revise this one, one week later, Partial?

We'll see. They're 5-4 right now. They have to win 3 more games against a tough schedule. The only for sure win should be against Detroit. Possibly Chicago, but I have a hard time imagining that Lovie won't have the troops fired up for that one.

apparently you don't even undestand what you wrote. Is 5-11 more likely than 8-8? Nope.

Admittedly this is an overreaction, but I'm still not completely confident they clear 500.

[gbgary]

Re: What if this team goes 10-6?

What if this team goes 10-6?

i'll still want to see mm's head on the chopping block. enough's enough. he's the weakest link.