Arod is a Loser. Stats Do Not Lie.

[SnakeLH2006]

So what stat did Snake da Great pick up in the TB debacle:

This one. NFL teams score TD's on 22% of offensive drives. When giving up a sack they score a TD on that drive 5% of the time.

The Packers (this season) scored a TD on 37% of offensive drives (that's great!)...and until Arod ran it in they were 0% on TD's (when giving up a sack) till Arod ran it in that drive. Now at 1.5% after the game.

What does that say.....Well we put up yards/stats...but when sacked (half of those on Arod for holding the ball) we don't score....Even better they kept showing how loooooooooooonggggggg he holds the ball. Over half those sacks were on Arod not throwing it out of bounds for 2nd and 10 vs. 2nd and 19.

Snake has been saying it all year, but some seemed to think it's not possible ARod is to blame for the O woes with the sacks.

Yeah, that OL is shitty, but Arod just bastardizes so many drives holding the ball. Stats show that you can't run around for 4-7 seconds vs. NFL Defenses and not get sacked.

He's made his share of big plays....really good when he can pass. But that OL is shitty as my grandma's memory...aka really suspect. But toss it out of bounds then...and eschew your fake ass (stellar) QB rating.

That the guy kills drives (the TD/sack ratio and the huge times he hangs onto the ball) is proven.

Snake must state...ARod is a top ten QB talent wise....but his pocket savvy and release is really poor.....sad when a 40 year old can make the short dump off and avoid pressure at will, yet the 25 year old gets his ass beat in weekly and gets good stats (yet the team stats now show otherwise).

This is why (and I don't blame ARod so much as I blame MM for being a pussy-ass and not cracking down like Holmy did on Brett when he was young to dump it off or throw it out of bounds) we are losing games. Yep.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

NFL offenses score ZERO percent on drives when they are intercepted.

Without determining how many field goals and where the drives left us, your stat is meaningless.

[Partial]

Snake I've been saying this all along. I'm all for trading him (to a sucker) while his value is high and moving on into the next great era of the G&G, the Matt Flynn era.

[Scott Campbell]

For all the points they left on the table against TB, they still scored 28 and staked the team to an 11 point 4th quarter lead - more than enough to win with. Yeah, it was a bad game for Rodgers. But we all learned a long time ago to put up with the periodic stinker from our QB.

[retailguy]

snake, understand your point, but I believe you're wrong. Fix the OL, you'll fix Rodgers. He's running scared back there. Yes, it is that simple. He needs protection he can rely on. He's starting his SECOND year after all.

[Waldo]

He can get better at this. As he gets more confident in his play, he needs to have someone continuing to crack the whip to keep him on his toes with getting the ball away. He was better last year, which indicates to me that he was out of his comfort zone, holding the ball is in his comfort zone. That still needs hard coaching.

I think though (as FO points out), we really have a negative feedback situation going.

We get sacked a lot and give up a lot of penalties. We have a lot of drives that go backwards or go nowhere. Our punter doesn't have a big leg and our punt coverage sucks. Our defense is typically soft for the first 5 yards, in order to protect the big play and the sticks (which it is doing a good job of). Our punt return game isn't very good.

So we get this feedback loop where a 6 yard sack can in the end lead to a 20-30 yard loss in field position, even if the defense forces a 3 and out, if we fail to convert on 3rd.

Reverse the situation and have a big leg punter, reliable punt coverage, and a good return game, and the sacks don't nearly have the same negative effect on us.

[CaliforniaCheez]

He has lasted 8 games so far. I hope he is able to keep playing until the end of the season whenever that may be.

[Tony Oday]

Trade the O line for a blocking sled...then at least AR has a chance.

[red]

i don't know, i keep hearing a-rod is holding onto the ball to long. 2-3 seconds after he gets the snap he's sacked and he held the ball too long. on top of thathe gets pressured almost every time, he usually has to step up or move on almost every throw to avoid the sack.

people say he just needs to get rid of it. most of the time he can't. the pocket collapses way to quick. almost all his sack have been in to pocket, and in order to throw the ball out of bounds he would have to wind up and give it a heave over a wr's head. tough to do when you're running for your life. this isn't madden where you just hit a button quick and it happens

now on the other side, i've watched a lot of other teams this year and it's sickening. other qb's have 5 or 6 seconds to throw the ball with no pressure, only every once in awhile does the qb get pressured and has to make a quick decision, not every single play like a-rod has had this year

i'd like to see some numbers on average sack time, comparing a-rod to every other qb. i would guess a-rod has less time to react then every other qb

[pbmax]

i don't know, i keep hearing a-rod is holding onto the ball to long. 2-3 seconds after he gets the snap he's sacked and he held the ball too long. on top of thathe gets pressured almost every time, he usually has to step up or move on almost every throw to avoid the sack.

people say he just needs to get rid of it. most of the time he can't. the pocket collapses way to quick. almost all his sack have been in to pocket, and in order to throw the ball out of bounds he would have to wind up and give it a heave over a wr's head. tough to do when you're running for your life. this isn't madden where you just hit a button quick and it happens

now on the other side, i've watched a lot of other teams this year and it's sickening. other qb's have 5 or 6 seconds to throw the ball with no pressure, only every once in awhile does the qb get pressured and has to make a quick decision, not every single play like a-rod has had this year

i'd like to see some numbers on average sack time, comparing a-rod to every other qb. i would guess a-rod has less time to react then every other qb

If just one of these circumstances was occurring, then it would be unremarkable. Plenty of QBs hold the ball longer than they should. Including a young Brett Favre. But you add in shoddy protection and the situation quickly gets ridiculous. Bedard has all of the hits broken down as of two weeks ago in the JSO blog. The State Journal has an graphic that tracks all of the sacks by line position.

Few QBs are big enough like Roethlisberger to survive constant hits in the pocket.

[denverYooper]

i'd like to see some numbers on average sack time, comparing a-rod to every other qb. i would guess a-rod has less time to react then every other qb

It'd also be interesting to see how many guys are kept in to protect also. It seems like he occasionally gets a lot of time to throw, and Fox has been putting a clock on him lately, but how often are they in max protect when he actually has time and how often does he only have 2 receivers out getting doubled?

So, like: t/p
or t/r
where t = time to throw and p = # in to protect or r = receivers.

That said, there's no doubt that Rodgers needs to learn the art of throwing the ball away.

[rbaloha1]

A-rod's superb fantasy stats mean nothing until winning meaningful games starting with the Cowboys.

[rbaloha1]

Snake I've been saying this all along. I'm all for trading him (to a sucker) while his value is high and moving on into the next great era of the G&G, the Matt Flynn era.

Premature at this stage. Although Flynn reminds of Hasselbeck.

[Tony Oday]

Snake I've been saying this all along. I'm all for trading him (to a sucker) while his value is high and moving on into the next great era of the G&G, the Matt Flynn era.

Premature at this stage. Although Flynn reminds of Hasselbeck.

an injured middle of the road QB that never won a thing?

Arod is a solid to good QB now and with some protection could be great.

[pbmax]

Rodgers release times versus Vikings: Bedard chart.

http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:QIC9qBN7NqEJ:www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/64396032.html+bedard+chart+release+time+site:jsonline.com&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Madison.com sack tracker

http://host.madison.com/app/interactive/sacktracker/