Arod is a Loser. Stats Do Not Lie.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Snake I've been saying this all along. I'm all for trading him (to a sucker) while his value is high and moving on into the next great era of the G&G, the Matt Flynn era.

Until you change your mind in three weeks that he is playing better. Then you will be saying all along that he had greatness in him.

Or until Flynn starts playing (for whatever reason) and sucks it up hardcore.

ARod is playing decent, not great, but decent. He'd be playing well if he held the ball for less time.

I'm not an ARod hater.

True statement about Flynn. We have no idea how he turns out but I have a hunch and a hope he's a stud.

So it is your contention that we should trade the starter on a hunch that the backup is better?

I was making a joke bro.

No you weren't. You've stated before that we should trade ARod to a "sucker".

Source?

Try looking at your post on the previous page of this very thread.

[channtheman]

If stats don't lie wouldn't that prove that A rod is anything BUT a loser?

[Brandon494]

Snake I've been saying this all along. I'm all for trading him (to a sucker) while his value is high and moving on into the next great era of the G&G, the Matt Flynn era.

You make comments like this and you wonder why people flame you.

[Brandon494]

Each lost this season we have given up atleast 30 points, yet people still want to act like its Rodgers fault since the team decided to go with him over Favre. This is a team game, look at Brees last season. He put up great numbers last season yet his team was still under .500. Now that the Saints have a solid defense they are undefeated.

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Snake I've been saying this all along. I'm all for trading him (to a sucker) while his value is high and moving on into the next great era of the G&G, the Matt Flynn era.

Until you change your mind in three weeks that he is playing better. Then you will be saying all along that he had greatness in him.

Or until Flynn starts playing (for whatever reason) and sucks it up hardcore.

ARod is playing decent, not great, but decent. He'd be playing well if he held the ball for less time.

I'm not an ARod hater.

True statement about Flynn. We have no idea how he turns out but I have a hunch and a hope he's a stud.

So it is your contention that we should trade the starter on a hunch that the backup is better?

I was making a joke bro.

No you weren't. You've stated before that we should trade ARod to a "sucker".

Source?

Try looking at your post on the previous page of this very thread.

Your statement is absurd. Please reread this exchange.

[sharpe1027]

Your statement is absurd. Please reread this exchange.

Just stop. Please.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Your statement is absurd. Please reread this exchange.

Just stop. Please.

He's like that knight in Monty Python that even though you cut off his arms and legs he won't admit he's beaten.

I'm done with his over the top statements and parroting what he hears on the radio and online. He's admitted to not watching games but then comes out with his "expert" opinion which is just a hodge podge of what others have said. No original thought. I'm done with the parrot.

[Fosco33]

I wish we could see the receiver's route(s) on those sacks where AR does hold it for 4-5 seconds. I was also surprised when they showed that AR has the most rushing yards for a QB (meaning he's trying to make plays - mostly).

Is it really AR trying to make a play out of nothing?

Do we have an inordinant number of slow developing plays (or very deep plays with only 1 or 2 chances/game in the 'right' scenario)?

Are the receivers doing enough to get open (or conversely, are we calling the right types of plays/protection)?

Until I see that, I'm just speculating.

As an uninformed fan/critic, I want to see more more screens, more slants, more TE curls (generally quicker, shorter plays - a la the WC offense).

I want to see max protect (RB or TE) when needed, shifting lines, designed rollouts (so AR can be outside the pocket and ditch the ball).

[sharpe1027]

Your statement is absurd. Please reread this exchange.

Just stop. Please.

He's like that knight in Monty Python that even though you cut off his arms and legs he won't admit he's beaten.

I'm done with his over the top statements and parroting what he hears on the radio and online. He's admitted to not watching games but then comes out with his "expert" opinion which is just a hodge podge of what others have said. No original thought. I'm done with the parrot.

What are you going to do? Bleed on me?

[SnakeLH2006]

Snake I've been saying this all along. I'm all for trading him (to a sucker) while his value is high and moving on into the next great era of the G&G, the Matt Flynn era.

I pray for you sometimes, Partial. Wow. Are you drunk again? Flynn? I wouldn't trade Arod unless it was 3 first rounders and we got a QB in return.

Unlike you, I do like ARod, but he's not growing up at all with holding the ball so much. Last week they showed several stats in the Tampa Bay game such as those I stated about TD% vs sacks on a drive. The Pack was abysmal in those regards. Also, they showed several clips of the previous games, and that game where ARod held the ball for as long as 7-8 seconds and took sacks. The 2-3 second sack is unavoidable, but when he's running around like a crazy man and gets dumped by 3 guys...those are the one's that are costing us field position bigtime..and has a trickle down effect on the Defense and ST.

I don't think Arod himself is a loser, but his skittish ball-holding has cost us some games, that making the team a loser (10-14) thus far under his regime. If he could clean that up...we'd win more games.

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Your statement is absurd. Please reread this exchange.

Just stop. Please.

He's like that knight in Monty Python that even though you cut off his arms and legs he won't admit he's beaten.

I'm done with his over the top statements and parroting what he hears on the radio and online. He's admitted to not watching games but then comes out with his "expert" opinion which is just a hodge podge of what others have said. No original thought. I'm done with the parrot.

Don't be that guy. I made a joke. You said I said something. I said where? You quoted the joke, like a DFI. Use that domeski bro.

Snake, I don't dislike Aaron I just see him for what he is. He has the physical talents to be a very solid NFL qb, but so did Ryan Leaf. He hasn't won games, and when the pressure is on to make a play, he hasn't done it so far. Will he ever learn to? It's his 5th year so I doubt it, but maybe. Hopefully.

Aaron has beat the following teams since more than 5 games of footage were available of him.

- The 0-16 Lions (including this year).
- Squeeked by the Bears after Cutler threw the game away in 4 picks
- The St. Louis Rams, which are up there with Detroit as the laughing stock of the NFL
- The Cleveland Browns, the laughing stock of the NFL.

Possibly one or two other teams. I don't have the statistics in front of me so I don't remember.

But, those teams are a laughing stock. That's not beating up on average competition. That is beating the worst of the worst. This is NC playing against UWM. UF playing against Platteville. Packers versus Highschoolers.

I don't give credit because he should beat those teams. Doing what is expected is just that. Doing what is expected. It's not going above and beyond or exceeding expectations. Thus, no credit. Crushing those teams in the status quo. It's not exceptional, it's average. Most of those games were far closer than they should have been, at that. Not saying this is all Aaron, but as I have pointed out numerous times I believe everything has to work in harmony for success.

Talk to me when he starts beating teams around 500. Then talk to me when he beats what is considered a good team. Beating the Steelers on the road would really show me a lot. That would be a special win. Beating the Cowboys at home, given the teams expectations, should be a quality win but not overly special.

Having a great QB is supposed to lift the rest of the team up and prepare them for glory. Big Ben does this. Peyton Manning is throwing to a bunch of nobodys and had an even worse OL last year than we do this year and still took his team to the playoffs.

It's called gut check time. Either you bang the cheerleader or you settle for head of the knitting club. Carry this team on your back, for once, and you will start getting some credit. He's the god damn quarterback. It's time he starts acting like it.

He was better last year, everyone saying that is right. If this is comfortable for him, then the team needs to make him feel... wait for it... wait for it.... uncomfortable. The way he is playing right now is horrible and hurting the team. Instead of an asset, he is a liability.

Waldo made an excellent post the other day about how McCarthy needs to discipline him. If I were the coach, I would yank his head around by his face mask and make sure he listens and listens good. I would tell him he's either going to do three step drops and unload the ball, or he's going to sit down. Waldo raised the question as to whether Flynn could be equally effective in the short passing game and I think he probably could be. This guy needs a chip on his shoulder. Right now he plays like he's comfortable and doesn't really care. I can understand that as a bro just got paid.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Colts had a worse line than ours. LOL

Ryan Diem- better.
Jeff Saturday - 3x pro bowl, 2x all pro...better
Tony ugoh - better
Mike Pollak- better

Do you actually follow football?

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Colts had a worse line than ours. LOL

Ryan Diem- better.
Jeff Saturday - 3x pro bowl, 2x all pro...better
Tony ugoh - better
Mike Pollak- better

Do you actually follow football?

4 new starters last year. Line was a sieve. Did you watch football? Stat numbers won't really count since Manning gets rid of the ball....

Wow, do you reallly not recall how terrible that line was at the start of last year?!? It was beyond awful.

[pbmax]

Aaron has beat the following teams since more than 5 games of footage were available of him.

- The 0-16 Lions (including this year).
- Squeeked by the Bears after Cutler threw the game away in 4 picks
- The St. Louis Rams, which are up there with Detroit as the laughing stock of the NFL
- The Cleveland Browns, the laughing stock of the NFL.

Possibly one or two other teams. I don't have the statistics in front of me so I don't remember.

Tell me, by this reasoning, shouldn't we get rid of Al Harris or Nick Barnett?

[MJZiggy]

Aaron has beat the following teams since more than 5 games of footage were available of him.

- The 0-16 Lions (including this year).
- Squeeked by the Bears after Cutler threw the game away in 4 picks
- The St. Louis Rams, which are up there with Detroit as the laughing stock of the NFL
- The Cleveland Browns, the laughing stock of the NFL.

Possibly one or two other teams. I don't have the statistics in front of me so I don't remember.

Tell me, by this reasoning, shouldn't we get rid of Al Harris or Nick Barnett?

Hang on a sec, I'm trying to get this straight...are the Rams the laughing stock because they're up there with Detroit which would indicate that Detroit is the laughing stock, or is it the Browns that are the laughing stock...And I see that the win against the Bears was accidental, we didn't do anything to GET those picks, huh? Maybe we beat all those laughing stocks because we're better than they are which would make us not a laughing stock which would mean that maybe Aaron's wins are not as accidental as you'd make them out to be. PB, by that reasoning, you have to get rid of Barnett because Harris has a cute butt in his uniform.