Arod is a Loser. Stats Do Not Lie.

[Sparkey]

Yes.

My only point, and the reason I've been bringing it up is that there isn't a correlation between how good a QB ends up being and his winning record his first couple of years. Sure, bad QBs couldn't win their first couple years, but neither could most of the greatest of all time. It took Steve Young until his 8th year to really QB a great team. He was drafted by the Buccaneers who had a bad team. I think AR's got a middling team: a lot of talent but little consistency. I would rather have "just a stats" guy who's shown he can get those TDs in the NFL than have a college stats guy who can't do jack in the NFL. AR is in his fifth year in the NFL, but only his second year starting. You have to give him time and a solid team. QBs like Favre, Manning, and Brady that can single handedly make their receivers pro-bowlers are rare. Most QBs need a solid team. That's why it's too early to give up on AR. Because he's giving the stats now, it shows he can do it even while he's getting mugged on every play. Now imagine what happens when he's got a little more experience and a much better line: the wins will follow. Just be a little more patient.

+1

[pbmax]

The Colts problem wasn't the line early as much as it was Manning. He had the late surgery to correct an infected burs sac (second operation on that area) during (or right before) camp.

Once he was able to move in the pocket, they got back on track. He was just rounding into shape when the Packers caught them. The had a winning streak soon after the game. My guess is that he wasn't 100%, but it was a good win for last year's D.

[mraynrand]

Check out Brees two years into starting for San Diego. Pretty comparable sit, except Pack doesn't have LT.

[MichiganPackerFan]

Just be a little more patient.

We're PACKERS fans, not bears, vikings or lions fans, etc. We need results NOW. Instant gratification please.

[Smidgeon]

Just be a little more patient.

We're PACKERS fans, not bears, vikings or lions fans, etc. We need results NOW. Instant gratification please.

So do you drink homebrewed coffee or just grab a packet of instant and stir it in no matter what it tastes like? I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that you're one of those people that likes quality coffee and won't touch instant with a ten-foot pole because it tastes nasty.

The same thing here: if you rush AR you're going to get the instant coffee version. If you're patient, you're giving him the chance to brew into something really nice.

[MichiganPackerFan]

I'm talking about EXPECTATIONS!! Not the proper method to get good results. I expect my coffee to be done in seconds AND taste expensive. I want to have my cake and eat it too. (of course i have NO idea what that phrase means, especially when I know from personal experience, when I have cake, I typically eat it.

[sharpe1027]

I'm talking about EXPECTATIONS!! Not the proper method to get good results. I expect my coffee to be done in seconds AND taste expensive. I want to have my cake and eat it too. (of course i have NO idea what that phrase means, especially when I know from personal experience, when I have cake, I typically eat it.

Do you still have your cake in front of you after you are done eating it? That is, assuming you aren't extremely hung-over and get sick shortly thereafter.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Given the choice, I'd rather have pie.

[SnakeLH2006]

Actually after rereading this...I have to restate what I meant about ARod's release.

Arod when given time is as elite as Peyton or any QB Snake has seen delivering the football for big plays. Very good.

My problem has been his pocket savvy. Poor at diagnosing blitzers/or poor at getting rid of the ball. Either way, the OL sucks, but he knows that and needs to dump the ball off or throw it out of bounds.

The release thing which had some questions wasn't worded well on my part. Arod has a lightning quick release. I meant he is slow to diagnose/or is unwilling to dump the ball off or throw it out of bounds. That is a killer though. Those stats from the Tampa Bay game on his holding the ball (5-7 seconds) and taking sacks just kill drives, and in turn hurt field position (ST and Defense). It's a trickle down effect.

As far as pure talent/QB skills...Arod is up there with anyone I've EVER seen athletically. But the sack thing is HUGE (where I made the loser analogy via wins/losses). Fair? I dunno. But he is 10-14 on some talented teams.

I really think this goes on Mike McFatty as he doesn't seem to have any balls anymore to discipline/advise ARod to make a quick 1-2 read and toss it away or dump it off. Arod looks for the big play EVERY time.

This is something Brett excels in. Granted Brett's problem was never sacks, but tossing it up for grabs when the pressure hit him early in his career. Arod's is getting sacked. Holmy reigned Favre in by his 3rd-4th year and we were title contenders yearly and Favre won 3 straight MVPs. McFatty seems lost. If that OL is this bad, tell him to throw it away. Those sacks are drive killers that not only hurt the TD % but ST and D as well with field position. Stats are misleading with the HUGE amounts of record sacks Arod has taken in 2009.

Boomer from CBS did a QB rating formula with sacks involved 2 weeks ago on NFL Today, and Arod's rating would fall from his guady status to about an 80 rating with sacks involved. That's what I'm getting at.

It's terrible cuz Arod is likable, a leader, and has elite passing skills (he's no Ryan Leaf, Partial...WTF was that about?) but needs a coach to tell him that 2nd and 10 is ok. 2nd and 19 is not ok.

Bottom line:

Arod has shown elite passing skills. McFatty needs to reign him and have him throw the ball away more often. McFatty will be hitting up the dollar menu by Jan. 2010 without a job hopefully.

[MichiganPackerFan]

I'm talking about EXPECTATIONS!! Not the proper method to get good results. I expect my coffee to be done in seconds AND taste expensive. I want to have my cake and eat it too. (of course i have NO idea what that phrase means, especially when I know from personal experience, when I have cake, I typically eat it.

Do you still have your cake in front of you after you are done eating it? That is, assuming you aren't extremely hung-over and get sick shortly thereafter.

Is THAT what it means? Stupid phrase through and through..

[Scott Campbell]

As far as pure talent/QB skills...Arod is up there with anyone I've EVER seen athletically. But the sack thing is HUGE (where I made the loser analogy via wins/losses). Fair? I dunno. But he is 10-14 on some talented teams.

Our D has sucked 2 years in a row.
Our Special Teams have sucked 2 years in a row.
Our O-Line has sucked 2 years in a row.
Our run game has sucked 2 years in a row.

But other than that, we've fielded pretty talented teams.

[Partial]

As far as pure talent/QB skills...Arod is up there with anyone I've EVER seen athletically. But the sack thing is HUGE (where I made the loser analogy via wins/losses). Fair? I dunno. But he is 10-14 on some talented teams.

Our D has sucked 2 years in a row.
Our Special Teams have sucked 2 years in a row.
Our O-Line has sucked 2 years in a row.
Our run game has sucked 2 years in a row.

But other than that, we've fielded pretty talented teams.

I don't understand how the D has sucked this year. They haven't been lights out but they've been better than suck.

ST has sucked two years in a row. Never should have gotten rid of the red head.

OL and running game have sucked two years in a row, but yet with the same players were both lights out in 2007. Ho hum.