Aaron Rodgers now..

[get louder at lambeau]

yes. he threw for 5069 yards. Marino threw for 5084 in 1984... 15 yards it is.. good memory.

Oops. Guess I was looking at a list that wasn't updated this year. OK, so 3rd highest yardage total ever, and still better than Manning, Brady, Favre, Montana, Young, etc. ever had in any season.

[packerbacker1234]

1. AR is not hte highest rated QB in the NFL - That honor is held by Favre.

Top 5 by ratings:

1. Brett Favre 112.1
2. Drew Brees 105.8
3. Aaron Rodgers 104.9
4. Peyton Manning 102.5
5. Tom Brady 100.4

Of course, I assume were talking "career", though I don't think it's even fair to mention anything, career wise, with AR when he hasn't even played 2 full seasons yet. 3 years from now, we can start talking career stuff.

Those ratings from this year though... nice to see. I think it's pretty clear cut that 4/5 of those qb's are teh top 4 in hte league this year, and the fact that AR can be in that crowd is impressive in year two. You have 3 for sure Hall of Famers in there, and who knows what happens with brees. Thats really good company to keep.

I think no one has mentioned "yards", because Peyton Manning and Matt Schaub have more yards (schaub I think even missed a game and still has more). Brady is right behind AR. So while he is on pace for 3rd all time in NFL history, he has 2 more QB's ahead of him that are on pace to be 1-2. Plus Brady may pass him before the year is up. If Big Ben was playing this week he would mos tlikely also be ahead of AR yardage wise.

I am pretty happy we have AR. Couldn't ask for a better situation following up a 16 year war horse HOF QB. I will criticize him for taking sacks and being a bit slow on the trigger, but he's young. 2 years from now that may not even be an issue.

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yep, Packerbacker, I agree with you. The whole concept of the thread was to start a flame war. It's really unfair to compare only a few years to an entire career. Eventually the numbers will be normalized most likely due to quality of surrounding talent, up and down years, injuries, etc.

[PlantPage55]

Re: Aaron Rodgers now..

Why haven't those fucktards at The Press Gazette and Journal-Sentinal mentioned this? Is that not even worth noting?

They are too busy doing everything possible to put our team down. Did you see Bedard's Tweets during the Viking game today? Two shots at McCarthy comparing the Bears awful team and Lovie's poor coaching job to Mac's job.

Has this team deserved criticism this year? Hell yes.

But if you only read how our fucking reporters write about the Packers but somehow never saw our record, you'd have to guess that we were below .500

Absolutely NO pimping of our 2nd and 5th ranked defense and offense. In fact, one of our esteemed writers recently decided to explain away those high rankings and make excuses against them.

How many teams' beat writers would do that? Most are trying to play up their team so that they get more recognition. Not so, with our stooges.

[pbmax]

... is 13-14 in games (27) he has started.

Brett Favre was 16-11 after 27 games.

Welcome to the world of small sample size.

At the end of 2009 (if he should start out the season) he will have started 32 games. Favre's record after 32 games was 18-14.

[Smidgeon]

Re: Aaron Rodgers now..

Absolutely NO pimping of our 2nd and 5th ranked defense and offense. In fact, one of our esteemed writers recently decided to explain away those high rankings and make excuses against them.

Green Bay has:
The 5th best offense in terms of yards gained per game
The 6th best offense in terms of points scored per game
The 2nd best defense in terms of yards given up per game
The 22nd best defense in terms of points allowed per game

That last one is an important stat. Watch that one. GB is 28th in pass touchdowns allowed and 2nd in rush touchdowns allowed.

I tend to disagree with ranking a defense solely on yards gained or given up. Points, for me, are the other part of the equation, and it seems that the passing defense has given up way more touchdowns than it should. So I personally think the #2 overall defense is a bit overrated. The offense seems to be on target.

[ThunderDan]

Re: Aaron Rodgers now..

Absolutely NO pimping of our 2nd and 5th ranked defense and offense. In fact, one of our esteemed writers recently decided to explain away those high rankings and make excuses against them.

Green Bay has:
The 5th best offense in terms of yards gained per game
The 6th best offense in terms of points scored per game
The 2nd best defense in terms of yards given up per game
The 22nd best defense in terms of points allowed per game

That last one is an important stat. Watch that one. GB is 28th in pass touchdowns allowed and 2nd in rush touchdowns allowed.

I tend to disagree with ranking a defense solely on yards gained or given up. Points, for me, are the other part of the equation, and it seems that the passing defense has given up way more touchdowns than it should. So I personally think the #2 overall defense is a bit overrated. The offense seems to be on target.

Sorry Smidg but you are wrong.

The Pack is averaging 19.5 ppg which is 11th in the league.

I am trying to look for long fields and how our D holds compared to others. Our special teams has given the D so many short fields to protect it is silly.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Re: Aaron Rodgers now..

Absolutely NO pimping of our 2nd and 5th ranked defense and offense. In fact, one of our esteemed writers recently decided to explain away those high rankings and make excuses against them.

Green Bay has:
The 5th best offense in terms of yards gained per game
The 6th best offense in terms of points scored per game
The 2nd best defense in terms of yards given up per game
The 22nd best defense in terms of points allowed per game

That last one is an important stat. Watch that one. GB is 28th in pass touchdowns allowed and 2nd in rush touchdowns allowed.

I tend to disagree with ranking a defense solely on yards gained or given up. Points, for me, are the other part of the equation, and it seems that the passing defense has given up way more touchdowns than it should. So I personally think the #2 overall defense is a bit overrated. The offense seems to be on target.

I'd agree, but you also have to factor in how pathetic our special teams have been. Take the Tampa Bay game. We gave up 38 points, but 21 points were from a blocked punt for TD, KO return for almost TD, and interception return for TD.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Re: Aaron Rodgers now..

Sorry Smidg but you are wrong.

The Pack is averaging 19.5 ppg which is 11th in the league.

I am trying to look for long fields and how our D holds compared to others. Our special teams has given the D so many short fields to protect it is silly.

ThunderDan is correct. We are 11th in points allowed/game. While our special teams have sucked, let's not forget that our offense rarely turns the ball over, so that does help the defense. I think the 11th in points allowed/game is closer to where we are at as a defense than the 2nd in yards allowed/game.

[ThunderDan]

Re: Aaron Rodgers now..

Sorry Smidg but you are wrong.

The Pack is averaging 19.5 ppg which is 11th in the league.

I am trying to look for long fields and how our D holds compared to others. Our special teams has given the D so many short fields to protect it is silly.

ThunderDan is correct. We are 11th in points allowed/game. While our special teams have sucked, let's not forget that our offense rarely turns the ball over, so that does help the defense. I think the 11th in points allowed/game is closer to where we are at as a defense than the 2nd in yards allowed/game.

Harvey-

But to offset the O rarely turning it over is that we have the lowest net punting average in the NFL.

[get louder at lambeau]

I think no one has mentioned "yards", because Peyton Manning and Matt Schaub have more yards (schaub I think even missed a game and still has more). Brady is right behind AR. So while he is on pace for 3rd all time in NFL history, he has 2 more QB's ahead of him that are on pace to be 1-2. Plus Brady may pass him before the year is up. If Big Ben was playing this week he would mos tlikely also be ahead of AR yardage wise.

They are ahead in passing yards. I said total yards. Check it again. I believe Rodgers is leading the league.

[FritzDontBlitz]

I can't believe people are actually comparing Rodgers to Manning based on QB rating.

[get louder at lambeau]

I can't believe people are actually comparing Rodgers to Manning based on QB rating.

You're right. Passer rating completely ignores Rodgers's superior mobility.

[Smidgeon]

Re: Aaron Rodgers now..

Absolutely NO pimping of our 2nd and 5th ranked defense and offense. In fact, one of our esteemed writers recently decided to explain away those high rankings and make excuses against them.

Green Bay has:
The 5th best offense in terms of yards gained per game
The 6th best offense in terms of points scored per game
The 2nd best defense in terms of yards given up per game
The 22nd best defense in terms of points allowed per game

That last one is an important stat. Watch that one. GB is 28th in pass touchdowns allowed and 2nd in rush touchdowns allowed.

I tend to disagree with ranking a defense solely on yards gained or given up. Points, for me, are the other part of the equation, and it seems that the passing defense has given up way more touchdowns than it should. So I personally think the #2 overall defense is a bit overrated. The offense seems to be on target.

Sorry Smidg but you are wrong.

The Pack is averaging 19.5 ppg which is 11th in the league.

I am trying to look for long fields and how our D holds compared to others. Our special teams has given the D so many short fields to protect it is silly.

Where the h*ll did I get 22nd? Well, I found that we're 12th instead of 11th according to NFL.com. Doesn't explain my earlier gaffe though.

[packerbacker1234]

I think no one has mentioned "yards", because Peyton Manning and Matt Schaub have more yards (schaub I think even missed a game and still has more). Brady is right behind AR. So while he is on pace for 3rd all time in NFL history, he has 2 more QB's ahead of him that are on pace to be 1-2. Plus Brady may pass him before the year is up. If Big Ben was playing this week he would mos tlikely also be ahead of AR yardage wise.

They are ahead in passing yards. I said total yards. Check it again. I believe Rodgers is leading the league.

Even with Peyton Manning losing a .5 yard due to rushing stats, he still is #1.

Manning - 3414.5 yards
Rodgers - 3383 yards

He is only like, 100 up on schaub with rushing included.

So include rushing stats shall we? Then lets include all the yards we lost due to Rodgers "at fault" sacks.