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Who cares about yards? The fact that Schaub is near the top should tell you how meaningless that stat is. Schaub is just a guy in my opinion.
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Well, for a guy who likes to quote scouts you are in a big minority. Many personel guys thought he should have been starting over vick.Originally posted by PartialThe only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince LombardiComment
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I think he is a nice practice player but boy, he surely can't get it done in the big game can he? They have been trying and trying and have talent on that team but they just cannot get the job done. Sure, he plays in a good division, but part of being a QB is overcoming adversity and carrying a team. I don't really like him at all to be honest.Originally posted by bobblehead
I don't think Vick was anything special either. I think Schaub is a better QB than Vick. Vick is too fragile to be a VY type player and has absolute 0 touch.Comment
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How many drives has Rodgers ended with a dumb sack (failing to recognize a blitz and adjusting protection, holding the ball, etc)
The Packers biggest problem for the first 8 games of the season was Rodgers ended drives with dumb sacks and also penalties ending drives. That is a crown that McCarthy should share with Rodgers but I agree with Partial, the stats say Rodgers is great, but the reality is he's been hot and cold and the cold (along with penalties and ST's) are the three biggest reasons we're not 8-3 or 9-2.Formerly known as JustinHarrell.Comment
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If Rodgers plays the way he's played the last couple games for the rest of the year and our defense keeps it up, we're going to be hard to beat. I keep hoping the ST's starts to eek their way up to average, because the Packers are finally starting to look like a dangerous team.
And we get the Ravens after a really tough 68 minute Sunday night game against Pitt. We're coming off a Thursday game with good rest. I know Baltimore is physical, but our OL has been doing a great job run blocking and our DL is tough as hell. We could out physical one of hte physical teams because of the circumstances and because we're pretty physical too.Formerly known as JustinHarrell.Comment
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Some of those sacks were a direct result of the penalties putting them in 1st and 2nd and long situations, which by nature, require deeper routes by receivers that in require the qb to hold the ball longer before throwing.Originally posted by JustinHarrell
Not saying they are all due to that, but 2nd & 3rd and long are not ideal situations to throw from.Comment
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If not for the stupid penalties and the WORST SPECIAL TEAMS COVERAGE AND RETURNS in the NFL the Packers are easily 9-2. We beat TB without a doubt and 90% likely to have beaten CIN.Originally posted by JustinHarrellBut Rodgers leads the league in frumpy expressions and negative body language on the sideline, which makes him, like Josh Allen, a unique double threat.
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Rodgers has been responsible for less than 25% of the sacks given up this year. Anyone claiming this is mostly on the QB is whistling past the graveyard that was the Packer pass protection of the first eight games. For a second year starter, he has adjusted well mid-season.Originally posted by JustinHarrell
This just in, he also does not cause lineman to jump offsides not does he cause Clifton to line up in an illegal formation. All these contribute to bad drives and punts that cost the Packers scoring opportunities.Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.Comment
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Rodgers has 25 sacks on 1st down. I've said this time and again, but I'll say it again because obviously I haven't made this point clear enough.
Rodgers and McCarthy share this crown. They have a solid running game this year. There is no way in sam hell the Packers should have 25 sacks on 1st down. That number is just sick on many levels.
Teams should be playing the run honest on 1st down, not coming at the QB's head. (are we predictable on some level?)
Why haven't we run more quick passes (slants, WR screens, TE screens, RB screens, TE screens if your OL was strugglilng protecting the longer developing passes?
Why isn't the QB getting rid of the ball quicker?
McCarthy said over and over how he wasn't going to change anything and how the OL was going to have to block better. Just last week, Rodgers said they changed some things they didn't want to change and it helped. The biggest thing that's changed is our new reliance on teh short pass and the run game. That's the formula that made our offense great in 2007. The hot and cold QB play certainly isn't all Rodgers fault, but at least part of it is and the fact is, sacks have killed way too many drives.
Honestly, I can't stand McCarthy and I have a whole lot of hope for Rodgers but who ever is at fault, our QB play has slipped and it was really disappointing to watch.
It's finally picking up and the short pass and run game are the biggest reasons we're not getting teh sacks. We're just not putting our line over and over again in position where the lineman can come at Rodgers head. WE're mixing it up and that is forcing the opposition to play more run integrity and that is opening up the big plays because it's a lot easier to pass protect a DL that is playing teh run first.Formerly known as JustinHarrell.Comment
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You are right, its not clear enough, because above you blamed the early season performance on something that is almost the complete opposite from a game situation perspective:Originally posted by JustinHarrell
Instead of telling us how you have been right all along, how about you make the case that its McCarthy and Rodgers and not the performance of the individuals on the offensive line?Originally posted by JustinHarrell
Because I know of no information or circumstances that would point to Rodgers over the line save for one comment from Rodgers himself that one particular sack was a failure to pick up a blitz from a LB or DB from his left. He said he should have checked again.
There is the case that Rodgers has been hit by the RDE (or ROLB) three times as that guy has come unblocked and nailed him in the back, causing at lease one fumble. It happened with Julian Peterson last week and has happened with Jared Allen and DeMarcus Ware. But it is unclear if that is a protection issue, play design, pre-snap read or if Rodgers is failing to release fast enough.
McCarthy is fair game because even if the Org believea the O Line is talented enough to block the early offensive game plans, then its on him to adjust when it becomes clear they cannot. Which he said he did after the Dallas game.
Now you can argue that a more seasoned vet at QB might get rid of the ball more frequently or that McCarthy should have given up on his preferred gameplan earlier, but that does not change the fact that the O Line was horrible at pass blocking for eight games. And it is not clear if they are now better or being hidden by short route options.Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.Comment
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Now that the Sunday stats are added Manning's ahead again. It was Rodgers. I guess it's more fair to look at them now, with 11 games each, though.Originally posted by packerbacker1234Comment
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Our own Mel Kiper Jr. .........."just a guy"Originally posted by bobbleheadComment
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This season a sack has ended a drive 15 out of the 121 drives. 3 of those sacks still resulted in a FG. So, I guess it comes down to how many of those sacks are on Rodgers and how many are on the OL?Originally posted by JustinHarrellAll hail the Ruler of the Meadow!Comment
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schaub is more than just a guy. if we didn't have rodgers i'd have no problem with schaub...or ryan...or young...or
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A sack ends a drive mroe than just actually ending it on 3rd down. 1st down, sack, turns into 2nd and 18 turns into drive killer.Originally posted by Cheesehead CraigFormerly known as JustinHarrell.Comment
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