Rumors: Rodgers may hand off to Westbrook

[Patler]

Wolf never made a move as bold as trading away Favre for somebody completely unproven.

Another solid point.
In many ways, TT risked what Wolf had built.

[Bretsky]

Wolf never made a move as bold as trading away Favre for somebody completely unproven.

Many would argue that Favre's actions, lack of class, selfishness, and immaturity forced TT's hand so it wasn't that much of a risk at all.....just time to move on

Actually, wouldn't you argue that ?

[Scott Campbell]

Wolf never made a move as bold as trading away Favre for somebody completely unproven.

Many would argue that Favre's actions, lack of class, selfishness, and immaturity forced TT's hand so it wasn't that much of a risk at all.....just time to move on

Actually, wouldn't you argue that ?

Not in this thread.



If you have any doubt which was bolder, ask yourself which move prompted more public backlash.

[Tarlam!]

Have you heard about how some players are reaching out to Jay Glazer for help with their agility, strenth and speed through Mixed Martial Arts ? ....

Guess who spent some time with Glazer lately training ?

Ryan Grant.

No, Mate, I don't know anything about Glazer.

The fact is, though, that Grant is due a massive pay hike next season. That is, if he's on the roster.

The names I put out there have been doing abnormaly tough training regimes for years, not days. Grant isn't one of them.

I'm glad he can be motivatred, I'm glad he performs so well, I am not down on the guy at all. My only point is that while others are motivated to be the best they can be for that reason alone, Grant has other things that motivate him.

[cheesner]

Rodgers did fall to Green Bay, but the concerns about him were legit. He was a Tedford QB. He had a funny delivery. He wasn't quite as sturdy as you like your QB. There were legit reasons why he fell. Personally, I hated that he fell to us and we drafted him. I said so in the draft thread. I didn't think he'd be any good. I give Thompson credit for either 1) guessing right on what little film he probably watched (considering he may have thought Rodgers wouldn't be there), or 2) scouting a guy that wasn't supposed to be there enough to feel comfortable drafting him. Also, Favre had hinted about retirement, but he was also in the middle of playing GM, so you knew he'd be unhappy with the drafting of a QB. It's hard to go against an icon like Favre.

Well said. It's only in retrospect that picking Rodgers has become a no-brainer for most people. If he fell into TT's lap as some now argue, there would have been wild cheering and glee among the Packer fans at the time, and I sure don't remember it being that way.

The comment about risking antagonizing Favre is excellent, especially with TT being new on the scene. And it did have that effect with Favre. But TT needed to plan for the future, and took a bold step right away.

My memory is that TT said that 2 weeks before the draft the realized there was a chance that AR would be available, so they went back and scouted him in detail. It wasn't a 'lucky' pick IMHO.

[Bretsky]

Wolf never made a move as bold as trading away Favre for somebody completely unproven.

Many would argue that Favre's actions, lack of class, selfishness, and immaturity forced TT's hand so it wasn't that much of a risk at all.....just time to move on

Actually, wouldn't you argue that ?

Not in this thread.
If you have any doubt which was bolder, ask yourself which move prompted more public backlash.

So your arguments would flip depending on the thread ?

It would be interesting to get the facts on which move was more popular with the majority of Packer fans.

Boldness aside, I think a stronger % of Packer Fans Favored TT trading him away at that point than the % that thought Wolf made a good deal when he acquired him.

[Bretsky]

Just as a FYI on Grant

•RB Ryan Grant is in Hollywood doing some cross-MMA training with Fox Sports "reporter" Jay Glazer and MMA legend Randy Couture. Glazer said on Sirius NFL Radio today that they're working on Grant's knees and opening up his hips. His lack of fluidity has been a problem for him on the second level. "You can't believe how one of his hips was much tighter than his other side," Glazer said. He also trained Cardinals QB Matt Leinert, so the proof will be in the pudding.


Jared Allen worked out with Glazer much of off season and reportedly has spoken very highly of them to other players in the NFL

[Scott Campbell]

Wolf never made a move as bold as trading away Favre for somebody completely unproven.

Many would argue that Favre's actions, lack of class, selfishness, and immaturity forced TT's hand so it wasn't that much of a risk at all.....just time to move on

Actually, wouldn't you argue that ?

Not in this thread.
If you have any doubt which was bolder, ask yourself which move prompted more public backlash.

So your arguments would flip depending on the thread ?

That ain't what I said. Re-read your question B.

[Scott Campbell]

It would be interesting to get the facts on which move was more popular with the majority of Packer fans.

I don't remember any t-shirts, billboards or rallies held against Wolf to denounce his bold move.

[Tarlam!]

Just as a FYI on Grant

Kudos. His 7 million paycheck for the 2011 season mandates that he's on the roster, obviously.

Just as obviously, there's an NFL draft starting Thursday coming with a few RB's in it that may or may not be selected by TT and if selected, may or may not make that 7 million hit to next year's (most likely capped) roster expense voidable.

We can do this all day, but the evidence that, when pushed, Grant performs better, is abundantly present.

[Bretsky]

Just as a FYI on Grant

Kudos. His 7 million paycheck for the 2011 season mandates that he's on the roster, obviously.

Just as obviously, there's an NFL draft starting Thursday coming with a few RB's in it that may or may not be selected by TT and if selected, may or may not make that 7 million hit to next year's (most likely capped) roster expense voidable.

We can do this all day, but the evidence that, when pushed, Grant performs better, is abundantly present.

Hmmm; I do see that view with the timing. I just don't agree with it.

When Grant arrived I thought he was a diligent worker. The holdout sucked as did the injury that followed. But as I remember he was not like some who show up out of shape and get injured trying to work themselves back into shape.

What has he done in the past to make us think he's lazy or not a hard worker ?

I guess I'm just taking the glass half full view on Ryan Grant.

And I really doubt he sees that huge bonus; I'm thinking if he does well TT rewrites his contract.

[pbmax]

While I can see how some interpret Grant's second half of the season as a tribute to Green, this statement seems indefensible:

The names I put out there have been doing abnormaly tough training regimes for years, not days. Grant isn't one of them.

How do you know how Ryan Grant has been training? For that matter, how do you know how Woodson or Driver trained? Other than their longevity, do we know how they did it?

Grant came back to training camp looking as in shape and ripped as a player could be the season of Favre-a-palooza. He did that work before the contract and he looked even in better shape in 2009. Now even from looking at them, we can't know how they trained, or how dedicated they were. So how on earth can we know they didn't train hard, like you claim with Grant?

[Tarlam!]

PB, I only know what I read in the press, obviously, just as we all do. I highly doubt your sources are any different than mine. (I will give you and anyone else here the advantage of actually watching the game. It's still too fast for me to see who did what and when).

I find it revealing that some people get press for their off season workout programmes while others don't. Suddenly, a presser comes up about Grant being at Glazer's place. I make my conclusions based on what I read and what is reported, as do you and Bretsky.

I still don't see anything wrong with Grant. I haven't said a negative thing about him. I just don't believe he does this to be the best. I think it's a job to him.

[Bretsky]

While I can see how some interpret Grant's second half of the season as a tribute to Green, this statement seems indefensible:

The names I put out there have been doing abnormaly tough training regimes for years, not days. Grant isn't one of them.

How do you know how Ryan Grant has been training? For that matter, how do you know how Woodson or Driver trained? Other than their longevity, do we know how they did it?

Grant came back to training camp looking as in shape and ripped as a player could be the season of Favre-a-palooza. He did that work before the contract and he looked even in better shape in 2009. Now even from looking at them, we can't know how they trained, or how dedicated they were. So how on earth can we know they didn't train hard, like you claim with Grant?

It's been pretty well reported that Drivers regiments are well more intense than the rest over the years. People within the professoin have noted Driver puts himself though Jerry Rice type workouts and have told stories about how Packer players will come over and did Drivers full workout and noted how they were so sore the following days they would never do it again. Freeman was one of them.

[Tarlam!]

When Grant arrived I thought he was a diligent worker....

What has he done in the past to make us think he's lazy or not a hard worker ?

I never said he wasn't diligent, nor did I claim he wasn't a hard worker.

What I am claiming is, he is motivated by something other than just being the best. As long as he's motivated and as long as he gets the job done, I have zero issues with it.

BTW, as I posted earlier on another thread, Charles Woodson's contract with the Packers saw to it that he was motivated to play as many games as possible. Suddenly, he was there every Sunday. Since M3's 2nd year at least, CW has been a vocal leader and attended all VOTAs. The initial monetary motivation has given way to an idealistic one, and that earned him DMVP last season.

I'd be delighted to see Grant make that same transition, but I don't see it today.