Rumors: Rodgers may hand off to Westbrook

[Gunakor]

I bash Wynn and get multiple people defending him ??? Not even worth a counter, we obviously have different views of the RB position. Probably the same people that expect Grant to give us 1200+ for the next 4 years ... Heh.

I'm not defending Wynn. I'm merely pointing out the irrelevance in bashing him. Again, it's like calling the kids on the short bus stupid. It just isn't necessary, and is rather disrespectful IMO.

[swede]

I bash Wynn and get multiple people defending him ??? Not even worth a counter, we obviously have different views of the RB position. Probably the same people that expect Grant to give us 1200+ for the next 4 years ... Heh.

I'm not defending Wynn. I'm merely pointing out the irrelevance in bashing him. Again, it's like calling the kids on the short bus stupid. It just isn't necessary, and is rather disrespectful IMO.

I see your point, Gunny.

Mission can't wait to see Wynn gone.

You see Wynn as a player who has tried his best and may not make the team. No need to kick a guy when he's down.

It's a Wynn-Wynn situation.

[Gunakor]

It's a Wynn-Wynn situation.

I believe DeShawn will be released prior to the start of the season, leaving us only one Wynn on the roster. It's just a Wynn situation.

Anyone else a bit skeptical of our chances of making the postseason with just one Wynn?

[mission]

I bash Wynn and get multiple people defending him ??? Not even worth a counter, we obviously have different views of the RB position. Probably the same people that expect Grant to give us 1200+ for the next 4 years ... Heh.

I'm not defending Wynn. I'm merely pointing out the irrelevance in bashing him. Again, it's like calling the kids on the short bus stupid. It just isn't necessary, and is rather disrespectful IMO.

Uh... I'm driving across the country right now so I'm lacking sleep...

But it's not like out of no where I started insulting Wynn. Disrespectful?? Are you kidding me? This is a message board where we discuss the merits
of certain players. Someone suggested that one day, back in the day, he beat out a second string rb --> yippee.

"downright disrespectful" is more insulting of my 4+ years of contributing generally accurate analysis of our players. You might not like my style but you'll have a hard time pointing out numerous times of me not knowing what I'm talking about. if I took the time the time and effort to straddle the politcal line here then I wouldn't have people reaching for arguments everytime I say something pointed.

If you guys wanna go back and forth on this just because it's a slow offseason then that's fair an I understand. If you actually *believe* I was being "downright disrespectful" then maybe it's time to shut off the computer and spend some time with your family.

I'm gonna just keep telling it like it is... No one bothered to respond to my Swain reasoning ... just attacking my style.

Doesn't bother me, guys who know what they're
talking about know I know what I'm talking about. Peace, good will, and all that stuff

[Gunakor]

I bash Wynn and get multiple people defending him ??? Not even worth a counter, we obviously have different views of the RB position. Probably the same people that expect Grant to give us 1200+ for the next 4 years ... Heh.

I'm not defending Wynn. I'm merely pointing out the irrelevance in bashing him. Again, it's like calling the kids on the short bus stupid. It just isn't necessary, and is rather disrespectful IMO.

Uh... I'm driving across the country right now so I'm lacking sleep...

But it's not like out of no where I started insulting Wynn. Disrespectful?? Are you kidding me? This is a message board where we discuss the merits
of certain players. Someone suggested that one day, back in the day, he beat out a second string rb --> yippee.

"downright disrespectful" is more insulting of my 4+ years of contributing generally accurate analysis of our players. You might not like my style but you'll have a hard time pointing out numerous times of me not knowing what I'm talking about. if I took the time the time and effort to straddle the politcal line here then I wouldn't have people reaching for arguments everytime I say something pointed.

If you guys wanna go back and forth on this just because it's a slow offseason then that's fair an I understand. If you actually *believe* I was being "downright disrespectful" then maybe it's time to shut off the computer and spend some time with your family.

I'm gonna just keep telling it like it is... No one bothered to respond to my Swain reasoning ... just attacking my style.

Doesn't bother me, guys who know what they're
talking about know I know what I'm talking about. Peace, good will, and all that stuff

I wasn't attacking you. I never called YOU disrespectful, since you weren't the one who made the disrespectful comment that began this back and forth.

The bash I have been referring to was the one where it was said that DeShawn Wynn is a useless sack of crap, and to me that is akin to calling a retarded kid stupid. Wynn was a 7th round draft pick who we took a flier on, someone who nobody expected to contribute much during his career. Compared to other NFL RB's - even other NFL RB's that happen to appear on the Packers roster - he's one of the retarded kids riding the short bus. To say he's a useless sack of crap is exactly like calling one of those retarded kids an idiot. It's simply rubbing in the blatantly obvious in a highly mean spirited manner. That to me is disrespectful even on a message board like this one. Does the fact that he probably won't read anything posted here make it any less disrespectful?

But I suppose to see it from my perspective you have to hold the opinion I do that all 7th round draft picks come into the NFL riding the short bus. Anybody drafted in the 7th round sucks until proven otherwise. You don't need to SAY they are a useless sack of garbage. Just assume that they won't contribute much. And as far as Wynn is concerned, he's contributed more than most other players drafted around him, which makes the original bash that much more disrespectful IMO.

I know you weren't the one who made that original slam I commented on, you were simply the one who responded to my response to that comment. And the only part of my response to you directed at your comment specifically is the part about him beating out Jackson for a starting gig - it was meant to counter your argument that he hasn't contributed anything during his time here. That the coaches and management must have an overinflated view of Wynn to have held onto a roster spot for him because he hasn't contributed anything to have earned one. The fact that he beat out Jackson for the starting job in 2007 is a perfectly good reason for us to have held a roster spot for him up until this point. It counts as a pretty significant contribution. And since you've been here as long as you have, I'm sure you can remember the start to the 2008 season when many here were calling for Jackson to be demoted and Wynn to be the #2 behind Grant. Wynn was hardly on a roster bubble. The decision to retain him as part of our roster was not a bad one, it's just a shame it didn't work out for Wynn.

Again Mission, I'm sorry if you took this the wrong way. I wasn't attacking you. I was attacking the comment I had responded to, the one you were trying to defend.

[Fritz]

"The bash I have been referring to was the one where it was said that DeShawn Wynn is a useless sack of crap, and to me that is akin to calling a retarded kid stupid."

So Gun, aren't you kinda saying that Wynn is a useless sack of crap, but you'd rather people didn't use that term? Are you saying it would be better if someone just called Wynn a very fringe NFL backup who will likely not even be in the league this year?

Now mind you, I am the president of the DeShawn Wynn fan club - where everyone's a Wynner.

[Gunakor]

"The bash I have been referring to was the one where it was said that DeShawn Wynn is a useless sack of crap, and to me that is akin to calling a retarded kid stupid."

So Gun, aren't you kinda saying that Wynn is a useless sack of crap, but you'd rather people didn't use that term? Are you saying it would be better if someone just called Wynn a very fringe NFL backup who will likely not even be in the league this year?

Now mind you, I am the president of the DeShawn Wynn fan club - where everyone's a Wynner.

I didn't make this personal to Wynn. All 7th round draft picks are useless sacks of crap until they prove otherwise. That much should just be assumed, so there's no need to drag a guy through the mud over it.

About Wynn specifically, no, I don't feel that way about him anymore. A useless sack of crap would never beat out anybody for a starting gig on any NFL team at any point in their careers. It was at that point that he had proven himself greater than a useless sack of crap. Now I can agree that his short career has taken a nose dive, but to say he hasn't ever contributed anything to warrant a roster spot is inaccurate. I was cool with him being given a second chance to rebound from injury. It hasn't worked in Wynn's favor, so I don't think he'll be given a roster spot again this year.

[Fritz]

Perhaps we can compromise and say he was a useful sack of crap.

[sharpe1027]

I bash Wynn and get multiple people defending him ??? Not even worth a counter, we obviously have different views of the RB position. Probably the same people that expect Grant to give us 1200+ for the next 4 years ... Heh.

Complaining about Wynn is like complaining about Brett Swain. Sure he isn't that good, but who ever said he was?

Technically, you also bashed TT/MM for overvaluing him. I don't think anyone said he was that good. He is what he is, a 7th round 3rd or 4th stringer that actually had a good game or two but will probably not make the team this year.

How are those comparisons even close?

Wynn was drafted in the 7th round because
of work ethic / character / weight concerns. It was considered a good pick because of his potential upside if he was able to motivate himself.

Swain has NOT been on the roster bubble
for three years in the exact same spot. He was first
on PS and then beat out everyones favorite for a roster spot last year. That's improvement regardless of whether you like swain or not (I really don't)

Wynn has not done anything differently... showed signs, had a few
good runs, got challenged
by staff, never really fast enough to see real playing time, got
injured, ended up on IR...

What has happened differently? Why is my 'shit or get
off the pot' comment off base? Three years, no progression whatsoever. I'm not complaining about Wynn, I'm just saying there is nothing new.
For people to still be holding out hope, come on... that's like tt/mm thinking bush is the man. At a certain point you're better off with a new 7th round pick who has a red flag or two and seeing if he can overcome them.

Stop grasping at straws with "stabs at TT" and all that... It's almost annoying having to explain this (on my phone so sorry for any errors)

How are they the similar?

Swain is a borderline backup that can easily be replaced.
Wynn is a borderline backup that can easily be replaced.

Swain is a 7th round pick.
Wynn is a 7th round pick.

Swain barely made the field other than special teams.
Wynn played significant minutes and even started.

You stated that the staff had an "overinflated" view of him. I disagreed and gave a reasonable explanation for why I disagreed. Who is the one grasping at straws?

Wynn isn't that good. He's probably not making the team this year. You have some need to tell everyone how bad he is. I get it.

To quote you "guys who know what they're talking about know I know what I'm talking about." I think that applies here.

[sharpe1027]

Perhaps we can compromise and say he was a useful sack of crap.

He was more useful than some sacks of crap and less useful than others. He falls comfortably in the middle of the spectrum of crap sacks.

[Gunakor]

Perhaps we can compromise and say he was a useful sack of crap.

Deal.

[Fritz]

Now that we'reet there, how about the Packers draft Dexter McCluster (f*ck) instead of signing Westbrook?

[mission]

Gun - my bad, I see the convo flow now

Sharpe - I explained the differences from a progression standpoint regarding swain and wynn. Not much I can do about you completely ignoring my point ... just add an eye roll in there and you have a good argument. I'm wrong.

One of my older married friends gave me great advice as a new father and husband: "Tony, do you want to be happy or do you want to be right?"

:noroll:

[sharpe1027]

Gun - my bad, I see the convo flow now

Sharpe - I explained the differences from a progression standpoint regarding swain and wynn. Not much I can do about you completely ignoring my point ... just add an eye roll in there and you have a good argument. I'm wrong.

One of my older married friends gave me great advice as a new father and husband: "Tony, do you want to be happy or do you want to be right?"

:noroll:

Mission - I stated that there was no reason to cut Wynn right now, but that he's probably gone this year regardless.

I made a comparison between Swain and Wynn and you made some comment about me grasping at straws and statements about how the smart people who know agree with you (a poor attempt at a dig if I ever saw one).

I explained the similarities between them because you asked and say I ignored your post. I didn't comment further on your argument because most of what you said isn't much different than what I was saying all along.

Bottom line, if you are wrong about Wynn not being good than I am wrong too.

[Pugger]

I suspect a lot of other teams are wary of Westbrook's history of concussions and that is why he is still available. He might be signed by some team desparate for a RB between now and TC but I doubt it will be GB.