Packers Land RB AVG 4.8 Yards Per Carry

[bobblehead]

What would Jimmy the Greek say about the superiority of the black athlete?

Same as Tarlam! ....and he would be wrong too. I blame our inability to have an honest discussion on race for Jimmy's stupidity. The poor old goat was never allowed to learn the truth so he said something stupid.

[Scott Campbell]

[quote="Brandon494"]Dude has yet to even carry the ball in double digits yet some want to claim him as the next Riggins? Kuhn is too slow and does not have the moves that you want in a RB. /quote]


Uhhh, did you ever watch John Riggins?

[Fritz]

He could puke under a table at a State dinner like nobody's business.

[Brandon494]

[quote="Scott Campbell"]

Dude has yet to even carry the ball in double digits yet some want to claim him as the next Riggins? Kuhn is too slow and does not have the moves that you want in a RB. /quote]


Uhhh, did you ever watch John Riggins?

Yea, I live right outside of DC. I know Riggins was not fast and just bulldozed over defenders but that was a different time in the NFL. I doubt he would put up the same numbers today.

[SkinBasket]

What seperates them? One is a 1st round draft pick even though he only played three games in 2009 while the other is an undrafted FB who is a 5 year veteren. Do you believe Kuhn has more potential then Dez Bryant? Of course not so wtf are you trying to prove? It has nothing to do with stats. I've watched both these guys play the game of football and I believe Dez Bryant will be a star in this league at WR while Kuhn will not suceed as a running back.

This isn't about potential. It's about production. You're disregarding measurable production (the stats you confusingly claim this has nothing to do with) in the name of potential (your opinion of how effective a football player might be). I just wonder what criteria you use to form your opinion on potential, because you haven't answered yet.

What separates them? Have you ever seen Peyton Hillis play? No? Well go youtube him and see how stupid that question is.

Thank you for the thoughtful analysis. But Kuhn still averages 4.8 YPC while Hillis averages 5.1. Are you suggesting Hillis looks better averaging an additional 0.3 YPC, which in turn makes him so infinitely better that comparing the two is "stupid?" Strange how you disregard stats as unimportant to a discussion about production while presenting nothing more than a suggestion of visual evidence of something you refuse to define to counter them.

I'm still wondering why you would chose to compare one white RB to another, as if their whiteness inherently proves some point.

Exactly what does it make you suspicious of? I would LOVE to hear this.

I'll tell you after you answer the original question: what, besides race separates Dez and Kuhn to such a degree that you are willing to disregard their actual measurable production and proclaim one a superstar while the other is a guaranteed failure?

[MichiganPackerFan]

Yea, I live right outside of DC...

Are you in Richmond or DC? My wife & I are in Old Town, Alexandria...

[Pugger]

My guess is that Nance will start getting more carries once the coaching staff is satisfied that he knows his blitz pickups. Hopefully he's a quick study.

A quick study would have played more last week, not been inactive on Monday, his 2nd week. He has already proven not to be a quick study, in my opinion.

He might just be keeping a roster spot warm for Starks. For the next three weeks he might just be a guy available in case another back is lost.

From my understanding, the offense Nance learned in Atlanta is almost completely opposite of Green Bay. Numbers and Letters terminology is completely reversed. I think Nance was inactive because Green Bay had no intention of doing anything more than a token effort at running.

You watch Clifton and Tauscher run blocking and it is apparent that as long as they are the tackles, the run game will be average to below average. Neither player has the quickness to cutoff the backside pursuit anymore.

The running game wont improve until Bulaga and Lang are manning the tackle spots for Green Bay.

Clifton was never known for his run blocking prowess. When Bulaga and Lang are ready they'll play. Evidently the coaches don't think they are ready for the premier pass rushers yet and we sure as hell don't want some goon like Peppers taking Rodgers out!! If the veteran tackles have to hold sometimes to keep guys away from our Franchise QB then so be it until the younger tackles are ready.

[packerbacker1234]

When I say 20 carries, I am talking about more of later in the season. Games outside are going to get cold. It's going to snow. In some games, it may even be raining. Point is, when weather gets bad, you NEED to be able to run the ball. Passing wont be nearly as effective. WR's will have a harder time making moves to get open, the ball is harder to throw AND harder to catch - run game has to be part of this offense late int he season.

That is one thing we could always rely on grant for - first hafl the season He would suck, mostly I think by design of the offense. 2nd half in bade weather, he would really come on when we needed to be able to run the ball. Point is, we are going to STILL need to be able to run the ball in the last 8 games to win - not just to "keep them honest" - but be able to realistically run as a real threat to produce points. Grant gave that, and by all indications, Kuhn has earned a shot as being a straight north and south pile pusher. Not as good as Grant overall, but sometimes as bigger backs have proved - if you can move the pile, that's good enough.

[Brandon494]

What seperates them? One is a 1st round draft pick even though he only played three games in 2009 while the other is an undrafted FB who is a 5 year veteren. Do you believe Kuhn has more potential then Dez Bryant? Of course not so wtf are you trying to prove? It has nothing to do with stats. I've watched both these guys play the game of football and I believe Dez Bryant will be a star in this league at WR while Kuhn will not suceed as a running back.

This isn't about potential. It's about production. You're disregarding measurable production (the stats you confusingly claim this has nothing to do with) in the name of potential (your opinion of how effective a football player might be). I just wonder what criteria you use to form your opinion on potential, because you haven't answered yet.

I use my knowledge of a game I've played and watched since I was a kid. I guess some of you only watch Packer games which there is nothing wrong with but I'm a huge college and NFL fan. I'm not a college or NFL scout by any means but I do believe I have a pretty decent eye for talent. Kuhn has not shown me anything special except for effort and that can only go so far in the NFL when you don't have the talent to go along with it.

What separates them? Have you ever seen Peyton Hillis play? No? Well go youtube him and see how stupid that question is.

Thank you for the thoughtful analysis. But Kuhn still averages 4.8 YPC while Hillis averages 5.1. Are you suggesting Hillis looks better averaging an additional 0.3 YPC, which in turn makes him so infinitely better that comparing the two is "stupid?" Strange how you disregard stats as unimportant to a discussion about production while presenting nothing more than a suggestion of visual evidence of something you refuse to define to counter them.

I'm still wondering why you would chose to compare one white RB to another, as if their whiteness inherently proves some point.

I choose Peyton Hillis because hes a FB who now plays RB just like Kuhn. Has nothing to do with him being white, he was just the first player that came to mind.

As for the stats Hillis is averaging 5.6 yards per carry on 39 carries this season with 3 TDs. He also has 14 catches.

Kuhn has a CAREER 35 carries for 3.7 yards with 3 TDs and a CAREER 16 catches.

In other words in three games Hillis has put up Kuhn's career numbers. Now that might be a bit unfair since Kuhn has mainly played FB in his career but it is what it is. Hillis is faster, has much better hands, and has more moves you want from a running back. I told you to check him out on youtube because you obviously have never seen this guy play. You think just because Kuhn averages .3 yards a carry less then him that his is just as good? States don't tell the whole sorry buddy, thats why I told you go to check out some game film on him. If stats told the whole sorry then I guess Tony Romo is just as good as Aaron Rodgers since they put up simliar stats.

Exactly what does it make you suspicious of? I would LOVE to hear this.

I'll tell you after you answer the original question: what, besides race separates Dez and Kuhn to such a degree that you are willing to disregard their actual measurable production and proclaim one a superstar while the other is a guaranteed failure?

You mean besides common sense?

Dez Bryant has all the tools you look for in a receiever. Kuhn on the other hand is just a north to south runner who runs with a lot of effort. Bottom line is if Kuhn did not want to play FB and wanted to be a running back only he would NOT make an NFL team. Thats my opinion and if you don't agree I could care less but it has nothing to do with one player being black and the other being white but of course you want to take it there.

[Brandon494]

Yea, I live right outside of DC...

Are you in Richmond or DC? My wife & I are in Old Town, Alexandria...

Richmond, VA.

Are you going to the Skins game in a couple of weeks? It will be my first Packers game and Im pumped about it.

[Brandon494]

When I say 20 carries, I am talking about more of later in the season. Games outside are going to get cold. It's going to snow. In some games, it may even be raining. Point is, when weather gets bad, you NEED to be able to run the ball. Passing wont be nearly as effective. WR's will have a harder time making moves to get open, the ball is harder to throw AND harder to catch - run game has to be part of this offense late int he season.

That is one thing we could always rely on grant for - first hafl the season He would suck, mostly I think by design of the offense. 2nd half in bade weather, he would really come on when we needed to be able to run the ball. Point is, we are going to STILL need to be able to run the ball in the last 8 games to win - not just to "keep them honest" - but be able to realistically run as a real threat to produce points. Grant gave that, and by all indications, Kuhn has earned a shot as being a straight north and south pile pusher. Not as good as Grant overall, but sometimes as bigger backs have proved - if you can move the pile, that's good enough.

I agree which is why I think TT needs to bring in another RB. I mean RB is prob the easiest position to fill yet he done nothing. I'm a TT supporter but sometimes the guy gets on my nerves.

[ThunderDan]

When I say 20 carries, I am talking about more of later in the season. Games outside are going to get cold. It's going to snow. In some games, it may even be raining. Point is, when weather gets bad, you NEED to be able to run the ball. Passing wont be nearly as effective. WR's will have a harder time making moves to get open, the ball is harder to throw AND harder to catch - run game has to be part of this offense late int he season.

That is one thing we could always rely on grant for - first hafl the season He would suck, mostly I think by design of the offense. 2nd half in bade weather, he would really come on when we needed to be able to run the ball. Point is, we are going to STILL need to be able to run the ball in the last 8 games to win - not just to "keep them honest" - but be able to realistically run as a real threat to produce points. Grant gave that, and by all indications, Kuhn has earned a shot as being a straight north and south pile pusher. Not as good as Grant overall, but sometimes as bigger backs have proved - if you can move the pile, that's good enough.

I agree which is why I think TT needs to bring in another RB. I mean RB is prob the easiest position to fill yet he done nothing. I'm a TT supporter but sometimes the guy gets on my nerves.

Who are they going to bring in and who are the cutting?

We have 3 players coming off of the PUP and we will have to cut 3 players when they activate if they do. So do you sign a RB knowing he most likely is getting cut in a couple of weeks if Starks is ready? Would that player want to come to GB knowing he probably will get cut in a couple of weeks when he could go to NE and stay the whole year?

I am assuning Peprah and Underwood/Bush/Lee will be cut when Bigby and Harris get back.

[MichiganPackerFan]

Yea, I live right outside of DC...

Are you in Richmond or DC? My wife & I are in Old Town, Alexandria...

Richmond, VA.

Are you going to the Skins game in a couple of weeks? It will be my first Packers game and Im pumped about it.

We were planning on it and really looking forward to it. However we just cant afford it this time around, so it will be brats and beer and watching it at home. Have a great time!

[Patler]

I agree which is why I think TT needs to bring in another RB. I mean RB is prob the easiest position to fill yet he done nothing. I'm a TT supporter but sometimes the guy gets on my nerves.

One of the Packer beat writers had an article last week. He contacted personnel guys for several teams, and there seemed to be a feeling that Nance was among the best available. One personnel guy said Nance was at the top of their "emergency list" for running backs. He said TT got the right guy, or something to that effect.

I'm not sure what else you expect.

[sharpe1027]

One of the Packer beat writers had an article last week. He contacted personnel guys for several teams, and there seemed to be a feeling that Nance was among the best available. One personnel guy said Nance was at the top of their "emergency list" for running backs. He said TT got the right guy, or something to that effect.

I'm not sure what else you expect.

Interesting. They might have Starks back in a few weeks as well. Who knows if he's any better, but I guess there is at least a little bit of hope.