LeRoy: Brett Better Than Aaron

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Hating throwing picks and throwing them are two different things. Rodgers has the ability now to make plays, but how many sacks would he take his first two years as a starter because he refused to get rid of the ball? He didn't have the ability to make plays his first two years, he didn't want to force the ball, and he didn't have the understanding of the offense to go through his reads fast enough. Now it is a different story, Rodgers is surgical with the offense.

Agree with the last statement except that he made plenty of plays in 09. Then he went to another level in '10 after the Cowboys game at Lambeau when McCarthy handed him the keys. Same as Favre, he had little latitude early in his career. But your original point was that Rodgers learned from Favre's bad habits. I am saying that is not the case.

This really does nothing to prove that. Favre was a better athlete then Rodgers, better arm, better legs. Rodgers slipped in the draft because he was a mechanical robot, with slow feet. He also fell because teams didn't need a qb. Favre was a little known prospect from Southern Miss that carried all the intangibles that great sports fiction is written on, He didn't have the big name and was drafted 9 spots lower than Rodgers

Favre was bigger and tougher than Rodgers. But a better athlete? No way. And Favre never had Rodgers legs. Stronger? Could be. But that isn't the mark of an athlete. Rodgers athleticism might have been masked by his scheme and college coach, but that does not make Rodgers a poorer athlete.

Playing with a broken thumb and playing great and making the playoffs, call you what you want, but I call it selling out for your team. Going out on a frozen field for a worthless game at 41 years of age and getting mauled was being mule-headed stubborn.

He absolutely sold out for his teams. But he did not play the same reckless game he did when he was younger. Playing with pain/injury is one thing (and something he did more of than most), playing in a manner to encourage injuries is another.

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Perhaps, perhaps perhaps. Check out Favre's record in games under 32 degrees, he had proven he can win games in cold weather. If McCarthy wanted him out because he had a poor performance in one of the coldest games on record then I think McCarthy needs to have his head examined. If you think a coach wants a player removed because of one game due to his play in extreme conditions then you should also have your head examined and not believe or construct everything you read into fact.

He folded twice that year in the cold, @Chicago and the NFCCG. He was old, no one's body reacts the same to the cold after 40. He wanted to be anywhere but in that game in the 2nd half. But I would also lay odds that he was changing plays or his progression for McCarthy to make the comment he did.

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Kyle Orton: 9-15-104-1-0
Brett Favre: 17-32-153-0-2

Outplayed by Kyle Orton, Bernard Berrian and Greg Olsen.

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Enough with knocking one to stack the other higher.

As a former Browns fan who must convince people to take Bernie Kosar or Frank Ryan seriously to pair with Otto Graham for a trifecta of QB goodness, the Packers have had an embarrassment of riches at the position over the years. It should make everyone happy and Bears fans miserable.

[Bossman641]

He absolutely sold out for his teams. But he did not play the same reckless game he did when he was younger. Playing with pain/injury is one thing (and something he did more of than most), playing in a manner to encourage injuries is another.

Yep, like in the playoff game against Minn when he sheepishly threw the ball when he was a good 3-4 yards past the LOS rather than try to make a play.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I'm going to pipe in again. IMHO, Rodgers is better right now than Favre was at his best.


It's close, but I'd take Rodgers. Of course, it all comes down to ball security. Both guys had cannons. Both were accurate. Brett was more accurate on some types of throws (Favre may have been the best ever on the slant route, or second behind Montana). Rodgers on others (most notably, the long ball). Rodgers is athletic, but so was Brett back in the mid 90s. Brett just turned the ball over more, but not quite as much as most of his career when he was at his best and Holmgren curtailed him a bit. That's the difference between the two. They both win games for you, but Brett would lose some games with a boneheaded pick.

[mraynrand]

Yep, like in the playoff game against Minn when he sheepishly threw the ball when he was a good 3-4 yards past the LOS rather than try to make a play.

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http://s453.photobucket.com/albums/qq254/mraynrand/?action=view&current=favrebailout.mp4

[Tarlam!]

the Packers have had an embarrassment of riches at the position over the years. It should make everyone happy and Bears fans miserable.

The only thing I thank him for is his major part in resurrecting the franchise, yet I hope they never retire his number, and if they do, I hope it is post mortum. In a game that is sponsored by the fans, there is no place for the Bert's of the league.

I didn't get the benefit of the 1997 title. I got to watch some fun games - I even saw him live at Lambeau! But also, the dumb interceptions that ended seasons. Despite that, I wish I could look back and indulge in the past joyfully, I wish I could put Bert on a pedestal, but unfortunately, it's impossible. The guy shat all over his Green Bay legacy maliciously. His GB legacy today is hammering a wedge down the middle of Packer Nation causingsome fans to stop being fans (right Nutz?).

There are people that truly believe Bert was shafted by the Packers' management. What a joke. The man holds a teary eyed retirement press conference on 3/6/10 and on 4/24/10 tells Letterman "somethin's bound to happen".

My fondest memories of Bert these days are his INT against NO in the 2009 NFCCG, and watching him get pulverized in the 2010 season.

[Deputy Nutz]

Agree with the last statement except that he made plenty of plays in 09. Then he went to another level in '10 after the Cowboys game at Lambeau when McCarthy handed him the keys. Same as Favre, he had little latitude early in his career. But your original point was that Rodgers learned from Favre's bad habits. I am saying that is not the case. I think Rodgers watched Favre and understood what happens when you press. When Favre had good defenses that he felt he could rely on he did a better job of reigning it in. He took less risks because he believed he didn't have to win the game all by himself. When the defense was leaking, he tried to win every game on one throw, he took his gunslinger mentality to a whole other level usually a destructive one. Rodgers is the exact opposite, he takes what is given to him and is plays with a level head regardless of his defense. I believe he did learn how to and not to manage a game under all different circumstances while he viewed Favre from the sidelines.

Favre was bigger and tougher than Rodgers. But a better athlete? No way. And Favre never had Rodgers legs. Stronger? Could be. But that isn't the mark of an athlete. Rodgers athleticism might have been masked by his scheme and college coach, but that does not make Rodgers a poorer athlete. He wasn't a great athlete in college, he hit a growth spurt a little later in life and he was determined to make it. Favre has always had all the tools, he was blessed, and I have watched film of a young Brett Favre and he was just as fast if not faster than Aaron Rodgers in cleats. I will agree to disagree, but I have a feeling you are comparing the 38 year old Brett Favre to 27 year old Aaron Rodgers.

He absolutely sold out for his teams. But he did not play the same reckless game he did when he was younger. Playing with pain/injury is one thing (and something he did more of than most), playing in a manner to encourage injuries is another. I think Favre used his abilities better than most QBs to avoid injuries, he had the arm strength to get rid of the ball and still manage to backout of the pocket. He knew how to take hits, if you ever watched him take a sack or get hit after a throw he never broke his fall with his arms, he held them at his side and tried to land on his ass, it was pretty intelligent, because a lot of QBs seperate their shoulders when they try to break their fall, but now it doesn't matter since it is illegal to hit a QB.

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[Deputy Nutz]

The only thing I thank him for is his major part in resurrecting the franchise, yet I hope they never retire his number, and if they do, I hope it is post mortum. In a game that is sponsored by the fans, there is no place for the Bert's of the league.

I didn't get the benefit of the 1997 title. I got to watch some fun games - I even saw him live at Lambeau! But also, the dumb interceptions that ended seasons. Despite that, I wish I could look back and indulge in the past joyfully, I wish I could put Bert on a pedestal, but unfortunately, it's impossible. The guy shat all over his Green Bay legacy maliciously. His GB legacy today is hammering a wedge down the middle of Packer Nation causingsome fans to stop being fans (right Nutz?).

There are people that truly believe Bert was shafted by the Packers' management. What a joke. The man holds a teary eyed retirement press conference on 3/6/10 and on 4/24/10 tells Letterman "somethin's bound to happen".

My fondest memories of Bert these days are his INT against NO in the 2009 NFCCG, and watching him get pulverized in the 2010 season.

Read this post one more time, and realize how ridiculous it is. To put this much emotion and energy into disliking a person you never even met, a person that played a game for a living. You think you might be taking this shit a little too serious? Everything I learned about this Favre situation was that I took this game far too serious, it wasn't worth it. It is a game played by guys that don't give a rats ass what we think, They will put on their dog and pony show for us fans so we feel that they are really stand up guys and that they are just like us. Well they are not, they don't pay 250.00 bucks to come watch us do our job. As long as we buy their jerseys and buy their autographs they will put on their show for us because it lines their pockets. I don't have a problem with it, but I see it as what it is, a form of entertainment, and I can now watch a football game for the enjoyment of the game, and don't have stomach problems after the Packers lose, I can go to sleep after a loss without losing any sleep thinking about this interception or that fumble. I am entertained for 3 hours here and maybe 3 hours on monday night, but I don't swear at the tv anymore, dry heav in my friends driveway because the Packers lost the NFL championship game. It is refreshing.

You feel the need to ridicule a professional athlete for doing his job and making it personal. Favre was never once disrespectful to the Packers organization, has always thank them, and the fans of the Green Bay Packers, he moved on. It was simply the way things had to be. Maybe it is your European upbringing following that horrible game of Soccer, but I just don't understand. The good things that Favre did for the Green Bay Packers far out weighs the bad. If you disagree with that, then you either have a very limited memory of Packer football, or you are just ignorant.

I have never said that the Packers should have chosen Favre over Rodgers. I think the whole situation was poorly handled by all. There were things Favre should have don differently, he should have never retired if he still wanted to play, he shouldn't have been toying with the Packers about coming back, he should have really thought it all through. He should have never done the interview with Greta. The Packers shouldn't have sat on him, they should have traded him when he asked for his trade, hell they should have released him if they weren't going to use him. Using him as a backup to Rodgers would have been BS, and they tried to play that card with him and that is where it got disrespectful.

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Favre was never once disrespectful to the Packers organization, has always thank them, and the fans of the Green Bay Packers, he moved on. It was simply the way things had to be.

You're on drugs if you believe this.

BTW, the term "fan" is short for "fanatic". Go figure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_(person)#Etymology

[woodbuck27]

Not impressed by the timing of this assumption by Bertler; to be a whole QB is more than gunslinging and being an ironman. Forinstance, imagine Rodgers giving Flynn the treatment Bert gave Rodgers. Bert was a very, very rich mans Billy Joe Tolliver - those kind of QBs shouldn't even be winning SBs. They need help and Bert had a boatload of help compared to Rodgers.

Rodgers>>>Bert - yet Bert is still a fringe top 15 QB All time. Rodgers will be top 10 for sure when his career is over sans major injuries. Packers have been QB blessed.

and ..........YOU really believe that. Amazing.

That post or your opinion is so full of holes I won't even bother to contradict it in detail. It's not worthy of serious consideration as anything but an extremely narrow minded slam against Brett Favre. Stand up and look at the record and at least try to walk straight. I'll put it this way. Take off that 'closed mind hat' and look at the facts Packer fan.

Hint: Begin with weapons. What Favre had Vs what has been supplied to Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers has a treasure chest of weapons Vs what Favre had especially so after the second season we went to the Super Bowl in the 1990's and lost to Denver. Super Bowl 32. ** After that too many times. Favre's heroics carried our team. He was always there to stand up straight in terms of responsibility too. That man suffered every single loss. Before you annoit Aaron Rodgers as thegreatest packwer that ever wore the uniform. Give him some seasons to prove he should be considered even for that distinction.


Maybe you'll pick up on the TRUTH by revisiting the fact that Favre did get us to a second straight Super Bowl man. Super Bowls 31 and 32. Brett Favre was our QB that helped DO that man. Here's a reminder for you:

http://www.denverbroncos.com/media-lounge/videos/NFL-Network-Top-Ten-Super-Bowls/bd0dbc05-2065-4731-a82a-986945cf1c51

GO Pack GO !

[Scott Campbell]

He (Brett) was always there to stand up straight in terms of responsibility too.

I thought it bent a little to the left. But I tried not to look too close.

[Deputy Nutz]

You're on drugs if you believe this.

BTW, the term "fan" is short for "fanatic". Go figure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fan_(person)#Etymology

You took his leave personally, and I feel for you, I really do. For a guy you only watched for 5 season you certainly took his departure hard.

[SkinBasket]

nutz mixed up his laxative with his sports supplement this weekend. I haven't seen him this fired up since that can of Four Loco.