PACKERS' ... Secret Superstar: Brad Jones

[RashanGary]

Is he lining up there from the get go or does that happen after offense sends a TE, slot or Hback guy in motion?

2 minute mark, AJ Hawk on the weakside.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-apASSiL0M0

[woodbuck27]

Woody, it is sad to see a man with such integrity and life experiences act like you do.

You are flaming with JH, SC and me. I simply post the offensive and defensive rankings for 2012 to help the conversation along and you take it that I have some "AGENDA" and that I am all fired up. Grow up the world doesn't revolve around you no matter how many words you write.

I think JH's post sums you up perfectly. You are a divider. No matter how many times you post that we must bring PackerRats together you don't. No matter how many times you post that you are a shining star at PackerRates you aren't.

I am done with you. I'll keep posting my stats and numbers and you can rant about how I target you and am tearing PackerRats down.

TunderDan:

Is this a deju vu experience and me trying my best to reach you. dear god man. Please have some mercy here.

I will post this as a simple response as you deserve no more time.

Your wrong. completely wrong.

Please simply place me on ignore as all you will ever do is act confused over any response I give to you.

Your a mixed up young man TunderDan.

I'm not flaming JH or certainly not intending such vile behaviour and JH. I respect JH.

I have ZERO respect for the hopelessness I view in Scott Campbell. Flame him...NOT.

I've had Scott Campbell 'on ignore' for some time now. I don't even care to see his garbage. Once that starts... it goes on and on and on.

You and I and flame war. ThunderDan...in fact 'YOU' flame me. I deal with it as somehow I believe your not all that bright.....or otherwise one very mixed up person. I don't want to seem unkind here. You really confuse me.

Sadly it's you that gets there and me. Don't place the shoe on my foot mister. It's you that has the problem and issue. Like Scott Campbell, I don't believe you'll overcome your limitations. You have an agenda that focus's bad will Vs me.

Your very best avenue is to simply place me on ignore.

My best stance is to hope that you do that Thunderdan. You have an issue and me to work out within yourself.

Otherwise, and if you have the ability.....try to smarten up.

I will not post you again until you demonstrate some decency and moreso dynamics and intelligence.

Thank You for your time. Have a nice day.

[RashanGary]

You know football, woody, no question. Sometimes I wonder if your so pissed at TT that you want him to be wrong, (like Brett said in the Gretta interview, the management should worry about their legacy.) Sometimes I think, ever since that BS, some people were so concerned with Ted being wrong that they're just waiting for it to happen.

Shit, I know I'm worried about him being wrong, because if he is, I fear how ugly it will get. Even worse, if he was wrong with Favre, it would have been a nightmare. The safe thing for the Packers to do would have been to get rid of TT. Favre had the ability to really destroy the fanbase and destroy the Packers (had they let him go to the Vikings, had Ted not gotten to a SB and won it, had Brett won the SB) It would have been a nightmare. Brett knew it. He played that power for all it was worth and I'm just glad he didn't succeed with his plan because I'm a Packer fan and I do think they were doing their best for the team.

All Brett really wanted to do was have TT sell out the future for his final years, and get himself out of offseason work. You know what, nobody else on the team can do that. I'm glad they didn't. HOnestly though, if it was me, I would have been too afraid of Favre doing what he did to get in his way. I would have let him have his way. People with his kind of power and influence get their way because people don't want that type of fight. Know what though, that's because I'm not as brave as TT. That's because I'm more afraid. I respect the hell out of TT for doing what he did. It was not easy. He was the guy fighting from the weaker position. Sometimes I wonder if TT is a sociopath because he showed no fear when clearly he should have had it. Favre, a very powerful figure in GB, was backing that mother fucker down and he stood there without blinking. That's hard to do. Look at it for what it is, man. Favre tried to bully TT down. He wanted to run the show when TT had worked his whole career for a shot at running that show. He finally had that shot, and he stood by it because it mattered so much to him.

Really, the draft, TT is a stud GM, especially with the draft. He's made hoodie look bad a time or two. You're a fan. It's like you're looking really hard for the bad. And you're still in that Favre thread whenever it pops up. I'm just pointing out, sometimes you appear a bit unreasonable. I can't help but think you're driven to see TT fail. Your competitiveness, while it might be a strength, can also be a drag too. I know Favre says he wasn't trying to stick it to TT, you either, but look a little deeper. You guys do want to stick it to TT.

TT is guilty of not giving Favre special treatment. Outside of that, he's been a standup guy and standup GM. So he's not the most friendly, outgoing of gentleman. Big whoop. He's conducted himself with integrity the whole way and he's damn good at what he does. You don't have to like him, but I think he's earned respect.

I don't think you'd be bitching so bad about the Packers if you weren't caught up on something, and I can't help but think it's the Favre stuff. The reason I say that is because you are a football guy, but you're not reasonable on the Packers. I'm calling it like I see it, could be wrong.

[woodbuck27]

Woody, it is sad to see a man with such integrity and life experiences act like you do.

You are flaming with JH, SC and me. I simply post the offensive and defensive rankings for 2012 to help the conversation along and you take it that I have some "AGENDA" and that I am all fired up. Grow up the world doesn't revolve around you no matter how many words you write.

I think JH's post sums you up perfectly. You are a divider. No matter how many times you post that we must bring PackerRats together you don't. No matter how many times you post that you are a shining star at PackerRates you aren't.

I am done with you. I'll keep posting my stats and numbers and you can rant about how I target you and am tearing PackerRats down.

Second post to this above Thunderdan;

GROW UP !

You've heard that before from people that know you alot better than I ever desire to. Right! Right !!

GROW UP! You get over 'YOUR' self. You get over your silly ass'd false ego drift. Just try to be a decent poster/person here. Cut loose your stupid agenda of anything and everything Vs me.

Your the type that will use any crack in your view to drive your silly ass'd agenda.

GROW UP! Am I ever being patient and over polite with you ThunderDan.

It's running out.

[pbmax]

At 1:00 of video (Rodgers INT) Packers run their version of a Stick-Draw I think. Its a draw option with a stick route, Rodgers reads the inside coverage and if they go for draw, he throws it.

In this case, Webster I think peeled off his man and jumped the route from outside of play.

[pbmax]

Well, first play in video Hawk is strong side and its a screen while the Packers are running the cross blitz. So that lines up with what we have been told previously. Manning is under center with 2 backs and 2 WR, 1 TE.

Play at 2 minute mark is a shotgun 3 WRs with 1 TE and 1 RB and we don't get to see pre-snap movement.

Its only two plays so it can't be determinative, but I would score this for Hawk on strong side for run downs.

[woodbuck27]

You know football, woody, no question. Sometimes I wonder if your so pissed at TT that you want him to be wrong, (like Brett said in the Gretta interview, the management should worry about their legacy.) Sometimes I think, ever since that BS, some people were so concerned with Ted being wrong that they're just waiting for it to happen.

Shit, I know I'm worried about him being wrong, because if he is, I fear we would have never heard the end of it. The safe thing for the Packers to do would have been to get rid of TT. Favre had the ability to really destroy the fanbase and destroy the Packers (had they let him go to the Vikings, had Ted not gotten to a SB and won it, had Brett won the SB) It would have been a nightmare. Brett knew it. He played that power for all it was worth and I'm just glad he didn't succeed with his plan because I'm a Packer fan and I do think they were doing their best for the team.

All Brett really wanted to do was have TT sell out the future for his final years, and get himself out of offseason work. You know what, nobody else on the team can do that. I'm glad they didn't. HOnestly though, if it was me, I would have been too afraid of Favre doing what he did to get in his way. I would have let him have his way. People with his kind of power and influence get their way because people don't want that type of fight. Know what though, that's because I'm not as brave as TT. That's because I'm more afraid. I respect the hell out of TT for doing what he did. It was not easy. He was the guy fighting from the weaker position. Sometimes I wonder if TT is a sociopath because he showed no fear when clearly he should have had it. Favre, a very powerful figure in GB, was backing that mother fucker down and he stood there without blinking. That's hard to do. Look at it for what it is, man. Favre tried to bully TT down. He wanted to run the show.

Really, the draft, TT is a stud GM, especially with the draft. He's made hoodie look bad a time or two. You're a fan. It's like you're looking really hard for the bad. And you're still in that Favre thread whenever it pops up. I'm just pointing out, sometimes you appear a bit unreasonable. I can't help but think you're driven to see TT fail. Your competitiveness, while it might be a strength, can also be a drag too. I know Favre says he wasn't trying to stick it to TT, you either, but look a little deeper. You guys do want to stick it to TT.

TT is guilty of not giving Favre special treatment. Outside of that, he's been a standup guy and standup GM. So he's not the most friendly, outgoing of gentleman. Big whoop. He's conducted himself with integrity the whole way and he's damn good at what he does. You don't have to like him, but I think he's earned respect.

I don't think you'd be bitching so bad about the Packers if you weren't caught up on something, and I can't help but think it's the Favre stuff. The reason I say that is because you are a football guy, but you're not reasonable on the Packers. I'm calling it like I see it, could be wrong.

JH the above post gets into things and attempts to characterize me that are simply false.

I want Ted Thompson to fail. I want the Green Bay Packers to fail. Did I read that correctly? I mean I'm in utter disbelief that you imagine I stand on such crap.

Nonsence... clear and utter crap nonsence. However you may perceive me and my posts.... that's frankly.... ridiculous.

I don't have to justify that being a fact JH.

I'm a Green Bay Packer fan and NOT one that you approve of. Can we simply leave it right there. I can accept that JH. That you want more of me that I cannot sensibly give to you. I believe my concerns are real.

It's not 'all roses' where I sit and view it all.

You actually believe that any stances I take Vs criticisms of TT or MM are based in all things Brett Favre and the Fav re Vs Packers Divorce.

I'm a critically analytical person with a clear mind to use intelligently to see things merely differently than you or any homer possibly can. I'm not characterizing you as 'a mere homer', as your a solid analyst. You understand football on a level JH, that enables educating us all as members here.

I've observed you grow in that regard. I saw you struggle to get there. You somehow arrived JH. Some here will never have the ability nor desire or penchant to achieve all that you have.

Please try harder to use your analytical skills; to desist in references that make me out as someone that cannot separate what's long gone with today.

This is not a woodbuck27 (Hatfield) Vs anything McCoys thing. Please don't insult my personal pride to be a reasonable man. More so please recognize the fact that I'm a Canadian in a good way.

Too many want to joke about that and I cannot even begin to explain to you how that irks me and how strong I am in ignoring their ignorance.

So much that you imagine and me is utter NONSENCE !

Do you have any idea the burden such places on me? How many times have you seen me have to stad Vs two..three ..four and more posters. Do you imagine I enjoy such negative attention when I damn well know I overall make a solid contribution here !? I'm not about sympathy as damn you all if you have to push forth your silly agendas.

Do you know how hard it is to not just simply go into a rage with the likes of a ThunderDan or a Scott Campbell? How many times have you seen me go to the mat with posters here and at JSO!? Have I ever shirked such responsibility too myself?

I need to take a break from this now. I will respond succinctly in due time. Count on that JH.

I'm taking a break. This place is getting a tad crazy (again) now.

I can't stand seeing that.

GO PACK GO !

[RashanGary]

Well, first play in video Hawk is strong side and its a screen while the Packers are running the cross blitz. So that lines up with what we have been told previously. Manning is under center with 2 backs and 2 WR, 1 TE.

Play at 2 minute mark is a shotgun 3 WRs with 1 TE and 1 RB and we don't get to see pre-snap movement.

Its only two plays so it can't be determinative, but I would score this for Hawk on strong side for run downs.

It's tough. They seem to do both. I don't remember seeing Hawk taking on all kinds of lineman or having a much harder time getting to backs than anyone else. His impact tackling wasn't any higher or lower than Jones. Bishop is the only one of the three who really made big plays in the run game. Jones didn't make any more than Hawk, Hawk no more than Jones, whatever positions they play. Bishop was the only guy who did. I think it's the player, not the position.

I'd like to see Jones on the strong side, where he can cover TE's leaking out and Bishop on the weakside where he can make impact plays in the run game. That's my gut feeling. Hawk, I wouldn't play him because he doesn't really bring anything special to the table (pass or run.) Hawk might be slightly better against the run, but I haven't seen Hawk do anything Jones doesn't do. On the flip side, I have seen Jones do things in the pass game Hawk doesn't.

[Zool]

Anyone wonder if Mad has to pay by the word? He would be racking up quite a bill right now.

[mraynrand]

You know football, woody, no question. Sometimes I wonder if your so pissed at TT that you want him to be wrong, (like Brett said in the Gretta interview, the management should worry about their legacy.) Sometimes I think, ever since that BS, some people were so concerned with Ted being wrong that they're just waiting for it to happen.

Shit, I know I'm worried about him being wrong, because if he is, I fear how ugly it will get. Even worse, if he was wrong with Favre, it would have been a nightmare. The safe thing for the Packers to do would have been to get rid of TT. Favre had the ability to really destroy the fanbase and destroy the Packers (had they let him go to the Vikings, had Ted not gotten to a SB and won it, had Brett won the SB) It would have been a nightmare. Brett knew it. He played that power for all it was worth and I'm just glad he didn't succeed with his plan because I'm a Packer fan and I do think they were doing their best for the team.

All Brett really wanted to do was have TT sell out the future for his final years, and get himself out of offseason work. You know what, nobody else on the team can do that. I'm glad they didn't. HOnestly though, if it was me, I would have been too afraid of Favre doing what he did to get in his way. I would have let him have his way. People with his kind of power and influence get their way because people don't want that type of fight. Know what though, that's because I'm not as brave as TT. That's because I'm more afraid. I respect the hell out of TT for doing what he did. It was not easy. He was the guy fighting from the weaker position. Sometimes I wonder if TT is a sociopath because he showed no fear when clearly he should have had it. Favre, a very powerful figure in GB, was backing that mother fucker down and he stood there without blinking. That's hard to do. Look at it for what it is, man. Favre tried to bully TT down. He wanted to run the show when TT had worked his whole career for a shot at running that show. He finally had that shot, and he stood by it because it mattered so much to him.

Really, the draft, TT is a stud GM, especially with the draft. He's made hoodie look bad a time or two. You're a fan. It's like you're looking really hard for the bad. And you're still in that Favre thread whenever it pops up. I'm just pointing out, sometimes you appear a bit unreasonable. I can't help but think you're driven to see TT fail. Your competitiveness, while it might be a strength, can also be a drag too. I know Favre says he wasn't trying to stick it to TT, you either, but look a little deeper. You guys do want to stick it to TT.

TT is guilty of not giving Favre special treatment. Outside of that, he's been a standup guy and standup GM. So he's not the most friendly, outgoing of gentleman. Big whoop. He's conducted himself with integrity the whole way and he's damn good at what he does. You don't have to like him, but I think he's earned respect.

I don't think you'd be bitching so bad about the Packers if you weren't caught up on something, and I can't help but think it's the Favre stuff. The reason I say that is because you are a football guy, but you're not reasonable on the Packers. I'm calling it like I see it, could be wrong.

hey, how the hell did I get back into the Favre thread? Is there some sort of funneling thread loop here at the "all new" Packerrats"

[wist43]

I guess I'm confused. Is your argument that they never run the ball, or that they don't do it effectively? You seem to flip/flop depending on what point the discussion reaches in the thread.

There is an MO to MM's playcalling - when they try to run in the 1st half, they don't do it well. He ends up punting a few times, and abandons the charade. Then in the 2nd half he succumbs to his nature and most of the rushing attempts are Rodgers running for his life. MM keeps doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results.

In a perverse way, I'd condemn MM for the lousy running scheme he uses; then turn around and agree with him to abandon the run. Running plays are a waste of a down. Just stick with the gimmick running plays to Cobb; Harris out of the spread... it's all the Packers are capable of.

My argument is what we see on the screen every week - you guys are always trying to put lipstick on the pig; and viola!!! We have a top 5 CB unit, we have potential superstars at sub-package LB, our running game is now the envy of the league b/c we drafted some RB's, Capers 2-4 is ready to terrorize the league... on and on.

[Zool]

There is an MO to MM's playcalling - when they try to run in the 1st half, they don't do it well. He ends up punting a few times, and abandons the charade. Then in the 2nd half he succumbs to his nature and most of the rushing attempts are Rodgers running for his life. MM keeps doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results.

In a perverse way, I'd condemn MM for the lousy running scheme he uses; then turn around and agree with him to abandon the run. Running plays are a waste of a down. Just stick with the gimmick running plays to Cobb; Harris out of the spread... it's all the Packers are capable of.

My argument is what we see on the screen every week - you guys are always trying to put lipstick on the pig; and viola!!! We have a top 5 CB unit, we have potential superstars at sub-package LB, our running game is now the envy of the league b/c we drafted some RB's, Capers 2-4 is ready to terrorize the league... on and on.

Probably no need to lump me in with everyone until I start a thread stating anything about a top5 something or other unit. Take Rodgers and the WR's off the team and its a 6 win team IMO. I'm just pointing out that the head coach is right in the middle of the league for rushing attempts when you said he is pass wacky. 2011 was an outlier for rushing attempts and with good reason. The RB's were garbage and Rodgers was having a year that very few QB's will ever sniff.

Now if you want to talk about how we can eliminate John Kuhn and the FB dive, lets talk.

[hoosier]

There is an MO to MM's playcalling - when they try to run in the 1st half, they don't do it well. He ends up punting a few times, and abandons the charade. Then in the 2nd half he succumbs to his nature and most of the rushing attempts are Rodgers running for his life. MM keeps doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results.

Last year the Packers ran the ball 184 times in the first half vs. 249 times in the second half. Only 33 (13%) of those second half rushes were by Rodgers, and his average per rush was identical to the team average.

In a perverse way, I'd condemn MM for the lousy running scheme he uses; then turn around and agree with him to abandon the run. Running plays are a waste of a down. Just stick with the gimmick running plays to Cobb; Harris out of the spread... it's all the Packers are capable of.

Statistically it was the exact opposite of what you claim: they were more successful in the first half (4.6 yds/rush) than the second half (3.4).

[Upnorth]

It is unsuprising that we had a higher sucsess in the 1st half, when we are building our lead teams assume we are going to pass which opens run lanes. In the second half we are playing with a lead and have a higher probablility to run so teams focus a bit more on stopping the run. If we had a better oline (or less soft as some would argue) my guess is there would not be a 1.2 ypc difference between 1st and 2nd half. Does anyone know league averages on ypc 1st half vrs 2nd half?

My feeling is that the second half # will be lower overall, but not by 1.2 ypc. If so it would lend credence to the GB is a poor running team statement.

[Fritz]

Last year the Packers ran the ball 184 times in the first half vs. 249 times in the second half. Only 33 (13%) of those second half rushes were by Rodgers, and his average per rush was identical to the team average.



Statistically it was the exact opposite of what you claim: they were more successful in the first half (4.6 yds/rush) than the second half (3.4).

Facts, facts, facts - and in context, even. Damn you.