PACKERS' ... Secret Superstar: Brad Jones

[swede]

Last year the Packers ran the ball 184 times in the first half vs. 249 times in the second half. Only 33 (13%) of those second half rushes were by Rodgers, and his average per rush was identical to the team average.
Statistically it was the exact opposite of what you claim: they were more successful in the first half (4.6 yds/rush) than the second half (3.4).

Facts, facts, facts - and in context, even. Damn you.

I blame Patler.

[hoosier]

I blame Patler.

I blame Hitler.

[pbmax]

Blame Canada.

[wist43]

Last year the Packers ran the ball 184 times in the first half vs. 249 times in the second half. Only 33 (13%) of those second half rushes were by Rodgers, and his average per rush was identical to the team average.

Statistically it was the exact opposite of what you claim: they were more successful in the first half (4.6 yds/rush) than the second half (3.4).

It depends on who they're playing... I'd imagine if you went game by game - how many games did we have a big lead, and 3 runs and a punt were okay? or 2 runs for a bunch of nothing, and Rodgers converts; 2 runs for a bunch of nothing, and Rodgers converts; 2 runs for a bunch of nothing, and Rodgers converts...

Then there was that bizaare ass Seattle game... we were sacked more times in the first half than we had rushing attempts, didn't we?? lol... MM can be very stubborn, and doesn't always have the Midas touch.

We're a QB-centric, and pass-centric offensive team... it is what it is.

Heretofor, for at least the last few years, we've had next to no running game. What meager running game we do have, may produce average results against below average opponents, but against the big boys - we have no running game.

How much difference Lacy, Franklin, and the musical chairs on the OL will make is yet to be seen. I'm actually cautiously optimistic that we'll a little better; but, if MM didn't incorporate more power plays in the playbook this offseason, then it'll be another long year watching the Packers flail around trying to run the ball.

When the question is put directly to you - you can't deny that the Packers have sucked ass at running the ball the last few years. You guys keep trying to put lipstick on a pig - and blame me b/c the pig is ugly.

[wist43]

You guys really seem to have a curious view of our offense - so, our running game is among the best in the league?? Is this your argument - so say you all??

Against Jacksonville?? sure, what was the run/pass ratio??

How many games are throwaways in terms of an honest evaluation of the Packers running game??

There are all kinds of in-game scenarios in which rushes are skewed... having a big lead is one of them. How many games did we run just to wind the clock?? How many kneel downs did Rodgers have?

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So let's summarize the last few claims of you Imaginationlanders...

- Top 5 CB's
- Elite subpackage LBer's
- League transforming 2-4 innovation (Clapton aint God - Dom Capers is God!!!)
- Elite rushing attack; Late game, grind it out, smashmouth football type of offense

Gee whiz Wally - WOW!!

I just couldn't see the forest for the trees I guess

[Zool]

You guys really seem to have a curious view of our offense - so, our running game is among the best in the league?? Is this your argument - so say you all??

Against Jacksonville?? sure, what was the run/pass ratio??

How many games are throwaways in terms of an honest evaluation of the Packers running game??

There are all kinds of in-game scenarios in which rushes are skewed... having a big lead is one of them. How many games did we run just to wind the clock?? How many kneel downs did Rodgers have?

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So let's summarize the last few claims of you Imaginationlanders...

- Top 5 CB's
- Elite subpackage LBer's
- League transforming 2-4 innovation (Clapton aint God - Dom Capers is God!!!)
- Elite rushing attack; Late game, grind it out, smashmouth football type of offense

Gee whiz Wally - WOW!!

I just couldn't see the forest for the trees I guess

Throwing darts now...getting close to the end.

[wist43]

Blame Canada.

Nah Max - wrong again. It's Kyle's mom's fault

COME ON, YOU ALL KNOW THE WORDS!!!!

[wist43]

Throwing darts now...getting close to the end.

Look, you guys have no argument - we can't run the ball.

[wist43]

Probably no need to lump me in with everyone until I start a thread stating anything about a top5 something or other unit. Take Rodgers and the WR's off the team and its a 6 win team IMO. I'm just pointing out that the head coach is right in the middle of the league for rushing attempts when you said he is pass wacky. 2011 was an outlier for rushing attempts and with good reason. The RB's were garbage and Rodgers was having a year that very few QB's will ever sniff.

Now if you want to talk about how we can eliminate John Kuhn and the FB dive, lets talk.

And besides - you're now officially the most pessamistic PackerRat, b/c I would say, sans Rodgers, we're a 7 win team.

Good luck fighting them off - you're the new King

[Zool]

Look, you guys have no argument - we can't run the ball.

Look, I know they can't run the ball, I'm just saying that they at least try. I blame the o-line for the lack of productivity along with the RB stable, post Ryan Grant. A who's who of IR candidates. I'm actually getting sick of 1st half leads dwindling because of the lack of an effective running game, but I at least acknowledge that they try.

[wist43]

Let's take a look at the first SF game. 14 rushes for 45 yds

1st Quarter

Benson 1 yd
Benson 1 yd
Benson 4 yds
Rodgers 8 yds
Benson 3 yds
Benson 4 yds
Benson 2 yds

2nd Quarter

Benson 1 yd

3rd Quarter

Benson 2 yds
Benson 1 yd
Benson 3 yds
Rodgers 5 yds

4th Quarter

Rodgers 1 yd

[Upnorth]

Since you bastards are blaming canada (and killing kenny i might add) and Bossman ruined my productivity today and this is a thread about Brad Jones I thought I would chime in about the oline (trust me it makes no sense). I was looking for league data on YPC average in the 1st half vrs the second half and found nothing, but I did reread the footballoutsiders post about 2012 offensive lines

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/OL

and boy is ours offensive. I though we sucked at run blocking and we kinda do being the 25th best team at it, however that is the strenght of our oline. Our pass blocking is 31st, or two slots better than cfl. To me this says even with the new oline configuration and rb draft we will still struggle with the run and ARod is a flippin god. I think wist is an optimist saying we win 7 without Rodgers.

[woodbuck27]

Probably no need to lump me in with everyone until I start a thread stating anything about a top5 something or other unit. Take Rodgers and the WR's off the team and its a 6 win team IMO. I'm just pointing out that the head coach is right in the middle of the league for rushing attempts when you said he is pass wacky. 2011 was an outlier for rushing attempts and with good reason. The RB's were garbage and Rodgers was having a year that very few QB's will ever sniff.

Now if you want to talk about how we can eliminate John Kuhn and the FB dive, lets talk.

"Take Rodgers and the WR's off the team and its a 6 win team IMO." Zool

So your switching from what cherry cool-aid to watered down 2X cherry cool-aid Zool; and assessing the team as a six win success!?? Not going to happen Packer fan under the conditions you suggest.

You actually believe that the Green Bay Packers win 'six games' without Aaron Rodgers and without WR's James Jones and Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb and forget anyone else!

THINK about that one and 'SIX wins' Zool. Do we really get 'SIX' wins.

Then please come back and report to us who we defeat for those SIX wins. Back your SIX win assessment up please. Why!? I need some hope if we do loose Aaron Rodgers. I want to be assured that TT has MM and company covered. Why!? I very concerned about the team in that regard of any potential loss and TT's backup plan and that.

Also and I'm really interested in discovering where those six wins come from with the QB's we have beyond Aaron Rodgers. Forget the loss of any WR's!

A sincere good luck with 'any reality and convincing us', and that lofty SIX win projection without 'even' Aaron Rodgers.

Figuring Aaron Rodgers gone along with those three names above and the Green Bay Packers with it's 11th ranked 'D' is overcooked >>> all the way down >>> down >>> down>>> too the bottom of the bottom quarter of the NFL Zool.

We're certainly hoping that the year after losing Aaron Rodgers and those WR's year is a decent draft year for a QB prospect. Why!? Because very possibly, the light might have come on for Ted Thompson after such loss.

We don't have any reliable back-up QB at present on our roster if Aaron Rodgers falls. May GOD forbid that. If we do then how did I miss that as anything else but that? If you have confidence in our backups.

How did you get there Zool. Just maybe you can enlighten us as to how did Ted Thompson get there as theyb way he acted in regards to the back-up QB position in this off season has passed me by?

I'm thinking that that fact was overlooked by TT when he was using three seventh round draft picks on other that QB position prospects. Ignoring that obvious need when a very decent QB prospect was on the board.

I know .... he likely had a backup plan. What might that have been Zool?



Prayer !?

[Freak Out]

hey, how the hell did I get back into the Favre thread? Is there some sort of funneling thread loop here at the "all new" Packerrats"

Wormhole.

[Zool]

Words...more words...picture...words

Wonk