PACKERS' ... Secret Superstar: Brad Jones

[wist43]

hey, how the hell did I get back into the Favre thread? Is there some sort of funneling thread loop here at the "all new" Packerrats"

Where the hell ya been, ya idiot... ObamaZombies slurp ur brains out??

They're everywhere... I hear they're afraid of CO2, so carry a Coca-Cola with you at all times. When you can see the green of their eyes?? Pop the top, and they'll flee in horror... works every time.

[woodbuck27]

Since you bastards are blaming canada (and killing kenny i might add) and Bossman ruined my productivity today and this is a thread about Brad Jones I thought I would chime in about the oline (trust me it makes no sense). I was looking for league data on YPC average in the 1st half vrs the second half and found nothing, but I did reread the footballoutsiders post about 2012 offensive lines

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/OL

and boy is ours offensive. I though we sucked at run blocking and we kinda do being the 25th best team at it, however that is the strenght of our oline. Our pass blocking is 31st, or two slots better than cfl. To me this says even with the new oline configuration and rb draft we will still struggle with the run and ARod is a flippin god. I think wist is an optimist saying we win 7 without Rodgers.

I'd say that under any condition of losing Aaron Rodgers before this next season begins that we don't win six or seven games.

I just pray that never becomes a reality. Dear Lord please.....not that.

NO.... NOT THAT .......PLEASE.

GO PACK GO !

[woodbuck27]

Wonk

WONK !!

Good Zool.

That's the Packers without Aaron Rodgers !

Here's my impression of the Green Bay Packers given your scenario of Packers without Aaron Rodgers and those three WR's taking you seriously 'of course'. The Picture often tells the story:



One - two - three - four and done !

[pbmax]

Brad Jones will be the starting dime linebacker and play fantastic.

[pbmax]

Pass Wacky
Run Ineffectively
Run First Half, Pass Second Half
Pass First Half, Run Second Half
Can't run versus 49ers
Can run on 49ers in playoff game

Say what you want but wist is not just a broken record. Can we agree that the Packers running game is very situation dependent? Can we also say that 2012 was a terrible year for the O line's health?

More importantly!

I still want an answer to THE burning question in this thread:

Who provides better run defense: Kampman/KGB or Perry/Matthews?

[hoosier]

More importantly!

I still want an answer to THE burning question in this thread:

Who provides better run defense: Kampman/KGB or Perry/Matthews?

Nice Woodbuckian syntax.

And the answer is....

White/Simmons!!!

[pbmax]

Nice Woodbuckian syntax.

And the answer is....

White/Simmons!!!

I am just after the Truth. But your answer would need to be White/Jones to qualify for my survey.

[woodbuck27]

I am just after the Truth. But your answer would need to be White/Jones to qualify for my survey.

'Back to the Future'...it's so confusing.

[hoosier]

It depends on who they're playing... I'd imagine if you went game by game - how many games did we have a big lead, and 3 runs and a punt were okay? or 2 runs for a bunch of nothing, and Rodgers converts; 2 runs for a bunch of nothing, and Rodgers converts; 2 runs for a bunch of nothing, and Rodgers converts...

Then there was that bizaare ass Seattle game... we were sacked more times in the first half than we had rushing attempts, didn't we?? lol... MM can be very stubborn, and doesn't always have the Midas touch.

We're a QB-centric, and pass-centric offensive team... it is what it is.

Heretofor, for at least the last few years, we've had next to no running game. What meager running game we do have, may produce average results against below average opponents, but against the big boys - we have no running game.

As usual your black-and-white generalizations don't quite fit reality. The first game against SF was by far GBs worst rushing effort of the year. After that they fared pretty well against decent run defenses: 106 and 113 against Chicago, 152 and 72 against Minnesota, 84 against Seattle. So they averaged about 96 yds/game against the best run defenses they faced, as compared to 106/game total. Their other struggles came against a mediocre run defense (St Louis) and a bottom of the barrel defense (Jax).

[hoosier]

I am just after the Truth. But your answer would need to be White/Jones to qualify for my survey.

I know, my answer was that your survey needs a paradigm change. Actually I'm only partially joking: what year are you comparing with 2012-13? 2007? 2009? I figured it was '09 but then KGB doesn't make sense.

Odd thing is, if you asked me on paper who provides better run d, Pickett/Jolly or Pickett/Raji, I would intuitively say Pickett/Raji. But if the answer to your other question is as obvious as it seems, that cannot be correct.

[pbmax]

I know, my answer was that your survey needs a paradigm change. Actually I'm only partially joking: what year are you comparing with 2012-13? 2007? 2009? I figured it was '09 but then KGB doesn't make sense.

Odd thing is, if you asked me on paper who provides better run d, Pickett/Jolly or Pickett/Raji, I would intuitively say Pickett/Raji. But if the answer to your other question is as obvious as it seems, that cannot be correct.

Well, I am specifically referring to bigness versus effectiveness of the pass rushes at DE/OLB in the Packers nickel pass defense.

I don't think the size of the DEs is the problem here. I think the inside could be much more sturdy in nickel AND the edges can be had when the CBs are in man or expected to be the primary tackler.

[wist43]

As usual your black-and-white generalizations don't quite fit reality. The first game against SF was by far GBs worst rushing effort of the year. After that they fared pretty well against decent run defenses: 106 and 113 against Chicago, 152 and 72 against Minnesota, 84 against Seattle. So they averaged about 96 yds/game against the best run defenses they faced, as compared to 106/game total. Their other struggles came against a mediocre run defense (St Louis) and a bottom of the barrel defense (Jax).

My generalizations depict a football team that can't run the ball - something most fans, if they are honest, would agree with.

Your generalizations depict a football team that is proficient at running the ball - something most fans, if they are honest, would disagree with.

By your reckoning, the Packers have no weaknesses - none. Jones will be DROY; Lacy OROY; Rodgers MVP; Matthews DPOY, and everyone else is a surefire Pro Bowler.

Phewwww!!!! I bet we beat SF 58-0 on opening day!!!

[RashanGary]

Brad Jones will be the starting dime linebacker and play fantastic.

Gosh, PB, I don't know. Somebody said Jones is making more than Hawk. I have to think it's because they value him more than Hawk, no?

[packer4life]

My generalizations depict a football team that can't run the ball - something most fans, if they are honest, would agree with.

Your generalizations depict a football team that is proficient at running the ball - something most fans, if they are honest, would disagree with.

By your reckoning, the Packers have no weaknesses - none. Jones will be DROY; Lacy OROY; Rodgers MVP; Matthews DPOY, and everyone else is a surefire Pro Bowler.

Phewwww!!!! I bet we beat SF 58-0 on opening day!!!

I saw some of the most atrocious running on a GB team in quite some time last year. Watching Alex Green run for like 60 yards on 40-something carries against the Texans was an interesting display.

On the other hand, Benson's 3 yds and a cloud of dust started to show signs of improvement. His play at Indianapolis in week 5 (before injury, of course) made it seem like he was finally getting the system, and enjoying going against only 6-7 in the box.

I think McCarthy and the rest of the offensive staff have discussed the same issues we have ad nauseum. Their offensive season analysis clearly identified a deficiency. TTs draft is proof. Lots of change to O-line and the addition of some new talented runners will lead to improvement, even if their may be some early hiccups.

For 2013, look for Harris/Green to be a solid tandem to begin of the season. Green's knee will be finally healed and he has flashed in open space. Lacy/Franklin will come on as the season ages. Lacy particularly will cure our 3rd and short woes.

Mark my words, the running game will not be our achilles heal this year.

[wist43]

Let's take a look at the first SF game. 14 rushes for 45 yds

1st Quarter

Benson 1 yd
Benson 1 yd
Benson 4 yds
Rodgers 8 yds
Benson 3 yds
Benson 4 yds
Benson 2 yds

2nd Quarter

Benson 1 yd

3rd Quarter

Benson 2 yds
Benson 1 yd
Benson 3 yds
Rodgers 5 yds

4th Quarter

Rodgers 1 yd

As usual your black-and-white generalizations don't quite fit reality. The first game against SF was by far GBs worst rushing effort of the year. After that they fared pretty well against decent run defenses: 106 and 113 against Chicago, 152 and 72 against Minnesota, 84 against Seattle. So they averaged about 96 yds/game against the best run defenses they faced, as compared to 106/game total. Their other struggles came against a mediocre run defense (St Louis) and a bottom of the barrel defense (Jax).

Okay, let's look at the second 49er game - surely this went much better, yes??

16 rushes for 106 yds... sounds kind of promising. But alas, Cobb and Rodgers account for half of it. Harris had 11-53 yds. Take the 18 yd brain-fart (by the Niners), and you have 10 rushes for 35 yds.

That is right in keeping with the teams overall 3.5 yd/avg.

1st Quarter

Harris 2 yds
Harris 7 yds
Harris 4 yds
Harris 5 yds
Harris 18 yds (TD, SF in that idiotic 2-4... serves 'em right, lol)

2nd Quarter

Harris 2 yds
Harris 3 yds
Rogers 9 yds
Harris 3 yds
Harris 3 yds

3rd Quarter

Harris 3 yds
Harris 3 yds (This was a beautifully executed run, run, sack, punt series)
Cobb 19 yds
Cobb 4 yds
Rodgers 17 yds
Rodgers 2 yds

4th Quarter

Rodgers 2 yds