PACKERS' ... Secret Superstar: Brad Jones

[RashanGary]

How many teams (in the NFL) are eligible to make the playoffs?

Where do the Green Bay Packers rank with those teams on' D'?

GO PACKERS !

Woody, the Packers were 11th. That puts them in the top 12 on defense. 12 teams make the playoffs.

Probably the better question, is where do the Packers rank overall (STs, D, O) That question is harder to answer, but probably in the top 4 or 5 teams.

But the best question, for this up coming season, is how will the Packers rank overall in 2013. That's a fun one, one with a lot of grey area, one we'll talk about for a long time

And then there's another fun question, how do they rank in the foreseeable future (age, talent, salary cap, coaching, talent evaluation *liklihood of replenishing*, etc) That's a fun one too.

Of the three main phases of football, you brought up the one the Packers struggle most with. In that area, they're playoff worthy. In the other areas, they're more than playoff worthy. Going forward, they're in great shape.


I pose the question back to you. At the end of the day, if we answer your question based off last year, what do we find out? What does it mean for 2013? What do you think? I have a really long post, above, saying what I think.

[woodbuck27]

Green Bay Packers Depth Charts:

a) 2013 season:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/teams/depth-chart/GB/green-bay-packers

Another view:

http://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthchart/GB

DEFENSE

LDE 90 Raji, BJ 09/1 96 Neal, Mike 10/2 76 Daniels, Mike 12/4

NT 79 PICKETT, RYAN U/SL 91 Miller, Jordan SF12 97 JOLLY, JOHNNY 06/6 63 Pena, Gilbert CF13

RDE 95 Jones, Datone 13/1 98 Wilson, CJ 10/7 99 Worthy, Jerel 12/2 93 Boyd, Josh 13/5


LOLB 53 Perry, N. 12/1 - 51 Palmer, Nate 13/6 - 94 Savage, Donte CF13

LILB 50 Hawk, AJ 06/1 - 49 Francois, R. SF09 57 Lattimore, J. CF11 - 58 Barrington, S. 13/7

RILB 55 Bishop, D. 07/6 - 59 Jones, B. 09/07 - 56 Manning, T. 12/5 - 47 Wilson, Jarvis CF13

ROLB 52 Matthews, C. 09/1 - 54 Moses, D. CF12 - 46 Mulumba, Andy CF13


LCB 38 WILLIAMS, T. SF06 31 House, D. 11/4 24 Bush, J. W/Car 35 Means, L. SF13 34 Smith, B. SF13

SS 43 Jennings, MD CF11 28 Richardson, Sean CF12

FS 42 Burnett, Morgan 10/3 22 McMillian, J. 12/4 41 Powell, Chaz SF12

RCB 37 Shields, Sam RFA 29 Hayward, Casey 12/2 33 Hyde, Micah 13/5 25 Nixon, James SF12



Unofficial Packers Depth Chart 'DEFENSE' Jan. 7, 2013:

LDE - Ryan Pickett; Mike Neal; Mike Daniels
NT - B.J. Raji; Ryan Pickett; Jordan Miller
RDE - C.J. Wilson; Jerel Worthy

LOLB - Dezman Moses; Erik Walden

LILB - A.J. Hawk; Robert Francois

MLB - Brad Jones; Jamari Lattimore ;Terrell Manning

ROLB - Clay Matthews; Frank Zombo ; Jamari Lattimore

LCB - Tramon Williams; Davon House; Jarrett Bush
RCB - Sam Shields; Casey Hayward
SS - Charles Woodson; M.D. Jennings
FS - Morgan Burnett; Jerron McMillian

GO PACKERS !

[RashanGary]

Woodbuck,

I think the Packers defense will be better than 11th in 2013.

1. We haven't lost anyone who played last year
2. We were not healthy last year, so the likelyhood of being more injured isn't high
3. Sam Shields, Casey Hayward and Davon House are young players. They should improve as zone players and allow us to mix our defense a little (even though we're mostly man)
4. I think Morgan Burnett should be a slightly better player, allowing us to mix in a little more one-high safety. Even though we're mostly a 2-shell team
5. The addition of Jones and the development of Daniels should strengthen our DL rotation. Only Pickett is aging, and I don't project drop off in the role he plays
6. Nick Perry, I've been a big detractor of him, the way I envision his coverage. However, we play 2-4 defense (with a 2-shell secondary, highly pass oriented), not 3-4. We already have the extra DB on the field and the 2-shell help over the top. Perry's size/strength may be a perfect fit for our defense against running teams. It's a question mark. I lean on the side of optimism. I think he improves our run game, and Walden wasn't good dropping back either.
7. We have Eddie Lacy. I love the pick. We have young OL, coming up. I like the chances of our run game opening up or offense. I like the chances of Crosby being better. I like the chances of the points we put up making the offenses we play more one-dimensional this year than they were last year. I think that will have an affect on our defenses production, as offenses will be forced to score.

Last year they were 11th. This year, I predict 6th. What do you think? There are a lot of question marks, but I know you fancy yourself an NFL expert. What do you think? You copied and pasted the roster. How do you put it together?

[Zool]

It's certainly not effective running. You want numbers?

- 3.9 yd/rush
- Take Rodgers and Cobb out, and you have a 3.55 yd/rush
- The base RB's (Green, Starks, and Benson) ran for 967 yds, and 3.49 yd avg.

Maybe it's a fluke b/c our offensive linemen are super-awesome pass blockers, right?? Well, not so much... as witnessed by 51 sacks

Gee, I wonder if there's something amiss with the OL??

We run only as a function of our passing game. We can't simply line up in a 2-TE formation and run the damn ball. 3rd and 1 is a passing down - and everyone knows it.

I guess I'm confused. Is your argument that they never run the ball, or that they don't do it effectively? You seem to flip/flop depending on what point the discussion reaches in the thread.

[ThunderDan]

How many teams (in the NFL) are eligible to make the playoffs?

Where do the Green Bay Packers rank with those teams on' D'?

GO PACKERS !

2012 Defensive Rankings.

1. Steelers - Missed playoffs
2. Broncos - Made playoffs
3. 49ers - Made playoffs
4. Seahags - Made playoffs
5. Bears - Missed playoffs
6. Bengals - Made playoffs
7. Texans - Made playoffs
8. Jets - Missed playoffs
9. Charges - Missed playoffs
10. Panthers - Missed playoffs
11. Packers - Made playoffs

So of the 2012 playoff teams the Packers ranked 6th of 12 ahead of the Super Bowl Champions. Of the top 11 defenses in the NFL last year 5 missed the playoffs.

12. Cardinals - Missed Playoffs
13. Lions - Mssed Playoffs
14. Rams - Missed Playoffs
15. Eagles - Missed Playoffs
16. Vikings - Made Playoffs

So of the teams in the top half in defense for 2012, only 44% or less than half made the playoffs.

[woodbuck27]

Woody, the Packers were 11th. That puts them in the top 12 on defense. 12 teams make the playoffs.

Probably the better question, is where do the Packers rank overall (STs, D, O) That question is harder to answer, but probably in the top 4 or 5 teams.

But the best question, for this up coming season, is how will the Packers rank overall in 2013. That's a fun one, one with a lot of grey area, one we'll talk about for a long time

And then there's another fun question, how do they rank in the foreseeable future (age, talent, salary cap, coaching, talent evaluation *liklihood of replenishing*, etc) That's a fun one too.

Of the three main phases of football, you brought up the one the Packers struggle most with. In that area, they're playoff worthy. In the other areas, they're more than playoff worthy. Going forward, they're in great shape.


I pose the question back to you. At the end of the day, if we answer your question based off last year, what do we find out? What does it mean for 2013? What do you think? I have a really long post, above, saying what I think.

I certainly know that Our GM is hoping through his drafting efforts to make things better. That way in terms of this season will not likely be a strong factor except in terms of 'real depth'. We do need to suffer less adversity in 2013 than we felt harm our team last season. Maybe see Bishop have a solid season but with a year down and age creeping in that's a 'real hope'. We certainly need to see Perry healthy and developing. That same goes for Moses.

The real answer to your question going forward is it's simply a wait and see JH. We've got players at LB that have peaked in terms of their potential or cannot offer anymore upside. We have to see Nick Perry show the promise that TT selected him for to assist Clay Matthews and strengthen a QB rush.

RE: Clay Matthews. His recurring trouble with his hamstring cause me real concern.

I have the same worry over Jordy Nelson and that and will maybe see more of that and our new RB Eddie Lacy. MM and specifically on 'D' Dom Capers has to somehow ensure that all players are properly drilled and loosened up or their muscles ready and prepared to play games. They have to somehow stay loose on the sidelines when the offense is doing their thing and vice versa.

If our offense gets out there and instead of long drives goes to quick turnovers with points on the board. That's one thing. The 'D' is ready (in shape to perform and talented) and gets to a quick 3 and out and the ball back to the 'O'. Everything is 'peaches and cream'.

In reality that's seldom the way it works.

It comes down to proper preparation of real talent and luck in terms of adversity JH. It comes down to common sense in terms of the players need to keep their muscles peaked and loose. You know that as a former athlete as well as I do. Imagine playing any sport and not warmed up and down and all the 'in between' stuff required. You get injuries...as a course of not giving your best all over.

I think that we read that MM was wondering about al the injuries and this very thing JH. I havn't heard anything about that since. That's what piss's me off about MM. He talks ohh boy can he talk but get it done and stay with a solid plan.

No way is he strong in that regard. What MM says and what he gets done are two different things and that has to stop. That has to be addressed.

It will be truly interesting to see what happens with our team and that RE: injuries and the running game JH. I'll be watching all that like a hawk. I 'only' criticize what 'as a Green Bay Packer and NFL fan' I see needs to be questioned or criticized. Make no mistake on this...I pay attention JH.

Otherwise....I'm just a fan just like everyone here. No better or less than anyone else. The thing is...we shouldn't take issues and things so damn seriously. We need to post and agree or agree to disagree. We need to lighten up and enjoy Packerrats ,and one another so much more. Really see the value in the contributions the membership as a whole makes.

I mean I love this place. There are times it's so good here I'm literally in tears laughing and in joy for the contributions some posters make. We're fortunate to have some solid minds here JH. Fortunate to have posters that are downright very funny and fun to read.

Do you want to be like a certain poster that doesn't need to be named. To act so stupidly and in my view pathetically crazy? To the degree where his message sends up real alarm for him.

I'm totally against any poster that stalks another with insulting, attack and mocking agendas. I'm against anyone that admires 'a fricken fool'. I'm against those here that are entertained by anything even approaching animosity and clear cut battles and positions of down one another's throats.

You can identify such. The real troubled posters. The one's that get the... 'I've got popcorn' message.

Fuck...they piss me off. They piss me off the most.

That's the BS that does zero good and anyone not capable of anything but that must not get inside at Packerrats. Must not ever have any real influence.

Yea I got off topic.... because this hatred you can demonstrate isn't what I expect from you JH. I need the BEST from you JH and never less man.

I'm kicking you in the ass right now. Why!? Because I like you JH. I need your very best input here.

It's a gentle kick.

GO PACK GO !

[ThunderDan]

2012 Offensive Rankings.

1. Patriots - Made playoffs
2. Saints - Missed playoffs
3. Lions - Missed playoffs
4. Broncos - Made Playoffs
5. Redskins - Made playoffs
6. Cowgirls - Missed playoffs
7. Texans - Made playoffs
8. Falcons - Made playoffs
9. Buccaneers - Missed playoffs
10. Colts- Made plaoyoffs
11. 49ers - Made playoffs
12. Panathers - Missed playoffs
13. Packers- Made playoffs
14. Giants - Missed playoffs
15. Eagles - Missed playoffs
16. Ravens - Made playoffs, won Super Bowl

So 9 of the 16 teams in the top half in offense in 2012 made the playoffs or 56%.

The team that won the Super Bowl had the 17th best D and 16th best O.

Maybe the guy who said all you have to do is make the playoffs and hope you get hot was right.

[woodbuck27]

2012 Offensive Rankings.

1. Patriots - Made playoffs
2. Saints - Missed playoffs
3. Lions - Missed playoffs
4. Broncos - Made Playoffs
5. Redskins - Made playoffs
6. Cowgirls - Missed playoffs
7. Texans - Made playoffs
8. Falcons - Made playoffs
9. Buccaneers - Missed playoffs
10. Colts- Made plaoyoffs
11. 49ers - Made playoffs
12. Panathers - Missed playoffs
13. Packers- Made playoffs
14. Giants - Missed playoffs
15. Eagles - Missed playoffs
16. Ravens - Made playoffs, won Super Bowl

So 9 of the 16 teams in the top half in offense in 2012 made the playoffs or 56%.

The team that won the Super Bowl had the 17th best D and 16th best O.

Maybe the guy who said all you have to do is make the playoffs and hope you get hot was right.

When you get down to the brass tacks of it. It's simply a wait and see.

There's no sense in getting all fired up about anything.

That's basically what the poster from Hawaii has been trying to tell you.

GO PACKERS !

[ThunderDan]

When you get down to the brass tacks of it. It's simply a wait and see.

There's no sense in getting all fired up about anything.

That's basically what the poster from Hawaii has been trying to tell you.

I am quoting the statistics from last year not getting fired up about anything. You asked about defensive ranking so I posted them and then posted the offensive rankings to compare and cotrast with the defensive ones.

Maybe you are the one that need to calm down a little bit. You are only in flame wars with 3 posters on this site at the moment.

[woodbuck27]

I am quoting the statistics from last year not getting fired up about anything. You asked about defensive ranking so I posted them and then posted the offensive rankings to compare and cotrast with the defensive ones.

Maybe you are the one that need to calm down a little bit. You are only in flame wars with 3 posters on this site at the moment.

See how defensive you get and with your agenda against me ThunderDan.

Who are those three posters ThunderDan that to use your term...I'm in 'a flame war' with?

Who are these three posters ThunderDan and be careful to ensure your accurate characterization of such. I'll give you a hint:

I'm not in any flame war with anyone here at Packerrats.

I'm in some open debate with JH but we'll handle that or have. Maybe by simply agreeing to disagree. That's our business and not yours.

Again as usual your out to lunch. You simply deal with your own agenda and me in a positive way. Try to keep away from any silly ass piling on. In other words mind your business.

Again your obsessing on something I cannot even begin to understand. Your certainly fumbling in that regard. Again let go.

Why not merely let go. Try to relax here.... rather than emulate the bad guy.

Let go of such utter nonsense.....please for your own sake.

[pbmax]

Are Aaron Kampman and KGB better versus the run than Nick Perry (injured wrist and all) and Clay Matthews? I don't think so.

The interior is the concern and with 3 WR/nickel personnel expecting a pass, all teams put in pass rushers in the interior as well. Packers send in Neal or Worthy for Pickett. They used to send in Williams for Jolly. San Fran slides Justin Smith inside and removes the nose.

Interior is the concern. Which is why all the beat guys are convinced the place to watch for Jones to have an impact is in the 2-4 nickel.

[pbmax]

I don't know about how things are titled, but I went back and watched some tape to make sure. I know what happens in the games. AJ Hawk lines up on the offenses weak side. Bishop and Jones have lined up on the strong side.

Is he lining up there from the get go or does that happen after offense sends a TE, slot or Hback guy in motion?

[RashanGary]

I'm kicking you in the ass right now. Why!? Because I like you JH. I need your very best input here.

It's a gentle kick.

GO PACK GO !

I'd say thank you for the kick, but I believe it was me giving you the friendly kick and then you coming back and saying you were doing it to me. Woodbuck, my reputation bar says people appreciate my posts, and almost all of them are related to football.

My rep is less than some, more than others. I think it's about right. I'm happy with the new ideas I come up with and the repackaging of other ideas that I do. Another thing, I'm just as happy to give other people the satisfaction of a thought well derived too.

I know you think you're giving me a friendly kick, and I appreciate the gesture. I know that's your personality. But really, this was about you, not me. You have more to share than re-posts of the Packers roster. Honestly, I don't think you're the football expert you thought you were when you were ripping TT for the draft. But I do think you're a damn smart football guy. Shit, Woodbuck, try jogging first, before you compete in the Boston Marathon. Banter back and forth with PB and Patler before you fight Ted in the NFL Draft arena I admire your lofty ambition, but shit, man, that was a no win. That would be like me thinking I could kick Jon "Bones" Jones in the steel cage. I could come here and talk all fucking day about how bad I'd kick his ass, but people have met me here. I think everyone would remind me how unrealistic my thinking was. God knows I've had those moments "see Deion Hawkins" LMFAO.

It's cool to be nutty, Woody. You're kinda nutty. I am too. Fuck it, embrace it.

[ThunderDan]

See how defensive you get and with your agenda against me ThunderDan.

Who are those three posters ThunderDan that to use your term...I'm in 'a flame war' with?

Who are these three posters ThunderDan and be careful to ensure your accurate characterization of such. I'll give you a hint:

I'm not in any flame war with anyone here at Packerrats.

I'm in some open debate with JH but we'll handle that or have. Maybe by simply agreeing to disagree. That's our business and not yours.

Again as usual your out to lunch. You simply deal with your own agenda and me in a positive way. Try to keep away from any silly ass piling on. In other words mind your business.

Again your obsessing on something I cannot even begin to understand. Your certainly fumbling in that regard. Again let go.

Why not merely let go. Try to relax here.... rather than emulate the bad guy.

Let go of such utter nonsense.....please for your own sake.

Woody, it is sad to see a man with such integrity and life experiences act like you do.

You are flaming with JH, SC and me. I simply post the offensive and defensive rankings for 2012 to help the conversation along and you take it that I have some "AGENDA" and that I am all fired up. Grow up the world doesn't revolve around you no matter how many words you write.

I think JH's post sums you up perfectly. You are a divider. No matter how many times you post that we must bring PackerRats together you don't. No matter how many times you post that you are a shining star at PackerRates you aren't.

I am done with you. I'll keep posting my stats and numbers and you can rant about how I target you and am tearing PackerRats down.

[woodbuck27]

I'd say thank you for the kick, but I believe it was me giving you the friendly kick and then you coming back and saying you were doing it to me. Woodbuck, my reputation bar says people appreciate my posts, and almost all of them are related to football.

My rep is less than some, more than others. I think it's about right. I'm happy with the new ideas I come up with and the repackaging of other ideas that I do. Another thing, I'm just as happy to give other people the satisfaction of a thought well derived too.

I know you think you're giving me a friendly kick, and I appreciate the gesture. I know that's your personality. But really, this was about you, not me. You have more to share than re-posts of the Packers roster. Honestly, I don't think you're the football expert you thought you were when you were ripping TT for the draft. But I do think you're a damn smart football guy. Shit, Woodbuck, try jogging first, before you compete in the Boston Marathon. Banter back and forth with PB and Patler before you fight Ted in the NFL Draft arena I admire your lofty ambition, but shit, man, that was a no win. That would be like me thinking I could kick Jon "Bones" Jones in the steel cage. I could come here and talk all fucking day about how bad I'd kick his ass, but people have met me here. I think everyone would remind me how unrealistic my thinking was. God knows I've had those moments "see Deion Hawkins" LMFAO.

It's cool to be nutty, Woody. You're kinda nutty. I am too. Fuck it, embrace it.

JH I refuse to go over all that I felt and TT and Company's last draft. I've explained that 'to death'.

Am I an expert in football. I'm OK with my skills. I've been at it for a long time so I shouldn't be too shabby. I don't have to wave Yahoo football trophy's in front of this membership, to qualify me as anything RE: Football and expertise.

There isn't a lot I don't understand and when I don't I find that source to get there. I'm skilled with a computer.

I've always been competitive and fortunately a winner or close to the winner in all I've ever done. I've been a fortunate man. I've long ago given up on ego and winning. I no longer need to prove anything.

I like woodbuck27.

I'm right now and 100% with anything and Aprils DRAFT. Lets see how that worked out. Let's see how all those prospects that TT shunned trading out of Rd. 3 2X manage in the NFL Vs our picks.

See it's there. As a Packer fan it's OUR picks not 'just TT's' picks.

When it comes to debate. I have skills.

When it comes to reasonableness and intelligence and fairness. I have much.

If I wasn't like some here, or open to learn. I wouldn't be as wise as I am JH.

I thank you for all your efforts and posts to me over these past 3-4 days. I hope that, as one member wants to call me out on. That we havn't been involved in 'any flame war'. What 'a joke'. I believed we were in simple debate. Hard at that 'no less'. We've been there before. Neither of us shy's from such.

The member that desires so badly to undermine me. Dear Lord good luck with that. He's going to stop or end up one very frustrated poster here. That member has a good deal of growing up to do. I hope that he has people around him carrying enough to focus on him. Personally and from a standpoint of 'simply' being a member of Packerrats. That's an impossible task as I view it. To learn takes a certain level of intelligence, combined with competence and good will.

The first thing it takes is intelligence and a proper application of such. Unfortunately intelligence isn't something you learn. It's a gift that has to be better and better utilized.

I really try to ensure that gift and my efforts at Packerrats. Respected or not. I do try.

GO PACK GO !