PACKERS' ... Secret Superstar: Brad Jones

[wist43]

If you take the worst performance of any unit, they're not going to look good. Based on your criteria, the 49ers defense must suck because they gave up 42 to Seattle in Week 16. Funny thing is though, you only seem to use that criteria when discussing the Packers. Why is that?

For a team like the 49er's, yeah I would view that as an outlier b/c the overall body of work is very, very solid.

The Packers overall body of work is very, very shaky - at best.

We're an offensive team, period. That's our identity. The 49er's identity is defense and running the ball. We have no interest in doing either. TT may have drafted Jones and 2 RB's - but why?? Jones is going to be playing in that idiotic 2-4, and Lacy will get 12 carries/game. He might as well write a letter to the 49er's asking them to take it easy on us... last time out was kind of embarrassing.

McCarthy wants to pass the ball - period. That's all he cares about. When the defense is on the field - it is just wasting MM's time. Maybe that's why he tells them to bust all those coverages, so he can get the offense back on the field and pass, pass, pass!!!!! YYYYEEEEEEHHHHHAAAAWWWW!!!! Pass that rock!!!!

[RashanGary]

That "someone" was me, and if you read my thread starter it was based solely on the prediction that Tramon approaches Tramon performance of 2010, when he was a shutdown #1. If he is back to his old self, a big if, then yes I EASILY think we are top 5 at cornerback. Behind Tramon is a sea of promise: Shields is only getting better AND can tackle, Hayward is clearly a baller, and hell even House if uninjured should flash and definintely be more of a presence as depth.

Now if Tramon is the same old letdown of a player he was last year, then we most definintely are not top 5. If he sucks again, then I still put us in the top 15. Cornerback is the least of our worries on Defense. I am still quite nervous about the defensive line as a whole and I feel it is obvious that outside of Matthews we have a bunch of question marks at LB...I pray Desmond packs a punch and renders my rambling thoughts moot

It was a fine thread and a fine post. It wasn't something I thought of, but after thinking about it, it made me wonder. We're definitely deep.

[3irty1]

For a team like the 49er's, yeah I would view that as an outlier b/c the overall body of work is very, very solid.

The Packers overall body of work is very, very shaky - at best.

We're an offensive team, period. That's our identity. The 49er's identity is defense and running the ball. We have no interest in doing either. TT may have drafted Jones and 2 RB's - but why?? Jones is going to be playing in that idiotic 2-4, and Lacy will get 12 carries/game. He might as well write a letter to the 49er's asking them to take it easy on us... last time out was kind of embarrassing.

McCarthy wants to pass the ball - period. That's all he cares about. When the defense is on the field - it is just wasting MM's time. Maybe that's why he tells them to bust all those coverages, so he can get the offense back on the field and pass, pass, pass!!!!! YYYYEEEEEEHHHHHAAAAWWWW!!!! Pass that rock!!!!

You know the 49ers run that idiotic 2-4 too right?

[RashanGary]

If you can't play zone defense you either have to be incredibly stout up front, or you have to have a superstar FS who can cover the deep part of the field alone. Either of those qualities is rare. We had Collins in 2010. He's the reason we could play 8 in the box defense almost exclusively and the reason we dominated with that 2-4 defense then and fail with it now.

However, bringing Perry back (if he's not a fat slug) helps shore up the edge. Adding Datone Jones should help the DL rotation. Bishop should help. Our front 7 should be better. Also, Morgan Burnett could be better, maybe good enough to play a little one-high safety, just mix it up enough to get a big stop when we really need it.

This years defense is definitely going to be interesting.

I'll go diving off tower drive bridge if the time comes. Way too early to give up anything now.

[RashanGary]

You know the 49ers run that idiotic 2-4 too right?

49ers are one of the few teams that play a ton of base defense. It's very hard to get them out of it. It helps that Patrick Willis covers like a safety and plays the run like a linebacker.

[wist43]

You know the 49ers run that idiotic 2-4 too right?

Yeah, I saw 'em line up in it a few times... not very often, certainly not using as their base like Capers.

If memory serves me, they were in that idiotic formation when Harris busted up the gut for the TD - it's a shit alignment even for good defenses.

It doesn't offer any tactical advantage, and only serves to make you predictable and small up front. It's completely idiotic, which would explain why Capers can't help himself.

[RashanGary]

Yeah, I saw 'em line up in it a few times... not very often, certainly not using as their base like Capers.

If memory serves me, they were in that idiotic formation when Harris busted up the gut for the TD - it's a shit alignment even for good defenses.

It doesn't offer any tactical advantage, and only serves to make you predictable and small up front. It's completely idiotic, which would explain why Capers can't help himself.

LMFAO. . . Wist, you love you some tough defense, I'll give ya that.

You do realize the reason teams play nickle now is the same reason teams played nickle 20 years ago. They do it when teams bring off a TE or FB and bring in a WR. They do it to match personnel. With the rule changes, teams are using more WR's and less blockers, hence defenses are matching with DB's.

SF is able to play base, because they have the best cover backer in the NFL. They're a pretty damn good defense. No better than our 2010 defense though.

[Fritz]

For a team like the 49er's, yeah I would view that as an outlier b/c the overall body of work is very, very solid.

The Packers overall body of work is very, very shaky - at best.

We're an offensive team, period. That's our identity. The 49er's identity is defense and running the ball. We have no interest in doing either. TT may have drafted Jones and 2 RB's - but why?? Jones is going to be playing in that idiotic 2-4, and Lacy will get 12 carries/game. He might as well write a letter to the 49er's asking them to take it easy on us... last time out was kind of embarrassing.

McCarthy wants to pass the ball - period. That's all he cares about. When the defense is on the field - it is just wasting MM's time. Maybe that's why he tells them to bust all those coverages, so he can get the offense back on the field and pass, pass, pass!!!!! YYYYEEEEEEHHHHHAAAAWWWW!!!! Pass that rock!!!!

"McCarthy wants to pass the ball - period. That's all he cares about."

You sometimes get props from some posters I respect for being a contrarian with intelligence, but lines like these are flat out wrong. Period.

If he only cared about passing, if he really didn't care about defense at all, if Capers were the idiot you say he is, then this team would not have the record it has for the last five years. The last five years have given us one of the winningest records in the NFL. Your descriptions of the GM and coaches would lead any reasonable reader to the conclusion that the Packers must have one of the worst teams in the NFL.

You are wrong.

[wist43]

It's called sarcastic derision, Fritz.

I'm one guy against all of you homers - you walk around like zombies and chant green and gold slogans... a bucket of cold water would do the trick; but alas, until they make a laser printer that can both print a bucket, and fill it with water, then I'm stuck with shooting zingers at you guys

[RashanGary]

It's called sarcastic derision, Fritz.

I'm one guy against all of you homers - you walk around like zombies and chant green and gold slogans... a bucket of cold water would do the trick; but alas, until they make a laser printer that can both print a bucket, and fill it with water, then I'm stuck with shooting zingers at you guys

Draft time wasn't a good time for you though You were definitely jumping off the cliff for that weekend, haha.

[Zool]

It's called sarcastic derision, Fritz.

I'm one guy against all of you homers - you walk around like zombies and chant green and gold slogans... a bucket of cold water would do the trick; but alas, until they make a laser printer that can both print a bucket, and fill it with water, then I'm stuck with shooting zingers at you guys

Except that you keep goings on this thing where the Packers, unlike every other team in the NFL, never run the ball. Statistics on he other hand show that they were in the middle of the league last year.

Rushing - 16th in attempts, 21st in ypc, 20th in yards.
Passing - 16th in attempts, 9th in yards, 6th in ypa

Just because they have had shit running backs does not mean McCarthy does not like to run. At least drop some validity in your rants.

[RashanGary]

Just because they have had shit running backs does not mean McCarthy does not like to run. At least drop some validity in your rants.

And MM had a couple really good rushing years with Grant. Good YPC, upper half of the league across the board, with killer passing attacks.

[pbmax]

You know the 49ers run that idiotic 2-4 too right?

I found this while looking for the ILB spot names the Packers used. Its lovely.

http://packerrats.com/showthread.php?16171-Hawk-and-Barnett-to-switch-positions&p=385359&viewfull=1#post385359

True enough fella's... of course there should be 4 LB's on the field in most 3-4 nickel packages, I guess I'm just used to viewing the Packers LB's as so completely useless, that I instinctively replace them every chance I get.

[pbmax]

49ers are one of the few teams that play a ton of base defense. It's very hard to get them out of it. It helps that Patrick Willis covers like a safety and plays the run like a linebacker.

Yeah, I saw 'em line up in it a few times... not very often, certainly not using as their base like Capers.

If memory serves me, they were in that idiotic formation when Harris busted up the gut for the TD - it's a shit alignment even for good defenses.

It doesn't offer any tactical advantage, and only serves to make you predictable and small up front. It's completely idiotic, which would explain why Capers can't help himself.

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/08/05/4694192/corners-need-lbs-skills-to-play.html

Rogers typically started games at left cornerback but moved inside to nickel when opponents used three wide receivers.

Fangio's goal during training camp is to develop a few others.

The position has become a critical chess piece for defensive coordinators who must counter offenses that regularly use three or more wide receivers.

When the 49ers defenders take the field for the season opener Sept. 9 in Green Bay, for example, they are more likely to be in their nickel package than they are their base defense.

Fangio also noted the 49ers use two nickel backs when opponents trot out four wide receivers. And the team's schedule this season is filled with teams that like to do just that.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/08/05/469...#storylink=cpy

[swede]

Patlerlike in the -ization, PB.