Scott Motherf***ing Tolzien

[Bretsky]

You guys know I'm a fantical Badger Homer
There is not much to get excited about with Tolzien
He's like the girl with a great personality

As a QB....smart dude....will study/try hard...bu IMO he just lacks the talent to be a legit NFL starter

He can get you to the red zone, but when you need the arm strength to thread the ball into a needle....it ain't getting there........

[woodbuck27]

You guys know I'm a fantical Badger Homer
There is not much to get excited about with Tolzien
He's like the girl with a great personality

As a QB....smart dude....will study/try hard...bu IMO he just lacks the talent to be a legit NFL starter

He can get you to the red zone, but when you need the arm strength to thread the ball into a needle....it ain't getting there........

You don't endorse him.

[denverYooper]

You guys know I'm a fantical Badger Homer
There is not much to get excited about with Tolzien
He's like the girl with a great personality

As a QB....smart dude....will study/try hard...bu IMO he just lacks the talent to be a legit NFL starter

He can get you to the red zone, but when you need the arm strength to thread the ball into a needle....it ain't getting there........

So he's the one you end up marrying?

[Pugger]

You guys know I'm a fantical Badger Homer
There is not much to get excited about with Tolzien
He's like the girl with a great personality

As a QB....smart dude....will study/try hard...bu IMO he just lacks the talent to be a legit NFL starter

He can get you to the red zone, but when you need the arm strength to thread the ball into a needle....it ain't getting there........

We don't need him to be a starter. We need him to be able to win a couple of games here against not so hot teams until Rodgers returns. I think he has enough moxy and talent to pull it off and be a long term backup for us going forward. He might really benefit from MM's QB school too.

[Fritz]

You guys know I'm a fantical Badger Homer
There is not much to get excited about with Tolzien
He's like the girl with a great personality

As a QB....smart dude....will study/try hard...bu IMO he just lacks the talent to be a legit NFL starter

He can get you to the red zone, but when you need the arm strength to thread the ball into a needle....it ain't getting there........

Bretsky likes hot bad girls with zero personality.

[woodbuck27]

We don't need him to be a starter. We need him to be able to win a couple of games here against not so hot teams until Rodgers returns. I think he has enough moxy and talent to pull it off and be a long term backup for us going forward. He might really benefit from MM's QB school too.

Yes.

[Guiness]

I wonder why Flynn isn't being looked at seriously for this week-end? I know Tolzien showed something last Sunday, but if Flynn is healthy they KNOW he can produce in this offense. Has it changed that much since he left? I think he could possibly be ahead of Tolzien in knowing it.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I wonder why Flynn isn't being looked at seriously for this week-end? I know Tolzien showed something last Sunday, but if Flynn is healthy they KNOW he can produce in this offense. Has it changed that much since he left? I think he could possibly be ahead of Tolzien in knowing it.

Tolzien has more talent. Flynn has a little more NFL experience. Much of that track record is not good. They KNOW he did produce for a couple games in 2011.

I can see the argument for Flynn, but Tolzien looked composed last week, and MM thinks he plays like a vet.

[CaptainKickass]

I wonder why Flynn isn't being looked at seriously for this week-end? I know Tolzien showed something last Sunday, but if Flynn is healthy they KNOW he can produce in this offense. Has it changed that much since he left? I think he could possibly be ahead of Tolzien in knowing it.

I was gonna start a thread about this but I'll tell you why, in my opinion.

It's because McCarthy opened his yapper and "declared" Tolzien the starter before Flynn was signed. We know MM is an emotional coach, and he was enthused by Tolzien's performance. We also had zero other quarterbacks on the roster, so at the moment it wasn't like there was any other consideration. He felt very safe making that declaration and he obviously didn't want to be bombarded by the press with QB questions.

Now certainly, MM could backpedal and be all like:

"I know I said Tolzien's the starter, but I think Flynn gives us the best chance to win on Sunday so I'm declaring Flynn the starter"

But we've seen MM be very careful about his words and his decisions that he makes publicly. I'm pretty sure he's never really backpedaled from a declared roster position.

Now - I personally believe that Matt Flynn gives the Green Bay Packers the best chance to win Sunday. But I also believe that this season is in the shitter and that we'll be lucky if Rodgers makes it back at all this season. (remember: Woodson was out for 9 weeks with a broken collarbone). That being said, Tolzien as the starter is just fine by me at this point. If he sucks too bad and stinks the joint up, well Flynn is certainly a great option to have in the proverbial back pocket.

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[Pugger]

When has Matt Flynn looked better than Tolzien this season? If Matt had been playing well this year in Oakland or Buffalo he wouldn't have been available for us to sign this week. A lot of folks think Matt will magically return to his 2010 form against Detroit to save our season but I have my doubts.

[red]

Tolzien has more talent. Flynn has a little more NFL experience. Much of that track record is not good. They KNOW he did produce for a couple games in 2011.

I can see the argument for Flynn, but Tolzien looked composed last week, and MM thinks he plays like a vet.

who's to say that tolzien didn't show us his best last week? everyone whats to throw flynn in the garbage can because he flamed out on a few teams, but tolzien has been cut from almost as many teams

i so a guy who threw the ball as hand as he could and made some horrible mistakes and got lucky that he only ended up with 2 int's

now i'm not saying flynn is gonna be better then tolzien, but i find it laughable that people are thinking tolzien is half way decent because of the game he had sunday (a below average game for an NFL starter IMO). and those same people think matt flynn is now complete and worthless shit because he couldn't become the starter in seattle or oakland and only lasted a week or two in buffalo, while glossing over the fact that tolzien wasn't able to make the 53 man rosters of the chargers and 49ers

[Smeefers]

You don't start Flynn because this offense is completely different than it was 2 years ago. Personnel has changed drastically. You don't give a guy 2 days of practice and then throw him to the wolves. I've seen that show the last couple weeks. I for one, wouldn't mind seeing a QB play a whole game after he's had a full week to prepare. If Flynn shows amazing skills and blows Tolzien out of the water, then fine, start him. If it's neck and neck though, I'd rather have the guy who's been in our system.

[Guiness]

You don't start Flynn because this offense is completely different than it was 2 years ago. Personnel has changed drastically.

Is it though? That was my question.

Sure, there's a run game now. Personnel - top 2 pass catchers that fateful day vs Detroit were Nelson and Jones...and Kuhn had a couple of catches.

Not saying it would be a good idea. It probably isn't, just wondering how much consideration it was given, and how much it might say about Flynn being 'perfectly healthy'.

[Freak Out]

I agree, just required a different kind of throw or an adjusted target (he said he should have aimed more for the pylon).

But he had another INT right into coverage of a WR who wasn't open and two others that were dropped. It was a very good effort but not all buttermilk and biscuits.

Bah! Not even worth commenting on again.

[Carolina_Packer]

who's to say that tolzien didn't show us his best last week? everyone whats to throw flynn in the garbage can because he flamed out on a few teams, but tolzien has been cut from almost as many teams

i so a guy who threw the ball as hand as he could and made some horrible mistakes and got lucky that he only ended up with 2 int's

now i'm not saying flynn is gonna be better then tolzien, but i find it laughable that people are thinking tolzien is half way decent because of the game he had sunday (a below average game for an NFL starter IMO). and those same people think matt flynn is now complete and worthless shit because he couldn't become the starter in seattle or oakland and only lasted a week or two in buffalo, while glossing over the fact that tolzien wasn't able to make the 53 man rosters of the chargers and 49ers

I hope when Rodgers comes back that they keep all three QB's. Depth is needed there.

Backup QB can be a tricky business. You want someone who is good enough to hold down the fort for a few games, if needed, but not be so good that he's going to eventually leave. I was OK with Green Bay taking a flyer on Graham Harrell back in 2010 because we already had Flynn as a solid backup. Once Flynn left for free agency after 2011, the Packers should have brought in whatever veteran was available at the time as competition to push Harrell and see if he was worth the roster spot. I feel like Harrell kind of received that spot by default after Flynn left because he knew the system and he came cheap. Bringing in B.J. Coleman from the 2012 draft was not adequate competition to push Harrell. In 2012 they could have signed someone like Kyle Orton to be the backup; problem solved, although they are probably never going to pay 2 mill per year for a backup like Dallas did for three years. There were other guys out there too like Drew Stanton, Kellen Clemens (former 2nd round pick), Brian Hoyer, who would have all done fine in the backup role. You just have to get your competition in for the entire offseason training program and through camp, not signing them off the street at the start of the season.

If Tolzien works out well, then TT will have acquitted himself for the uncertain situation created by having Harrell and Coleman as the backups in the first place. The Packer brass needed to push themselves harder to know if Harrell (or Coleman in less time) was a suitable backup, or not. They hesitated. You certainly hope your backup is already on the roster and established when you start a season. If Tolzien can establish himself, TT may have pulled a rabbit out of the hat. I'm pulling for the kid!