TED THOMPSON---WORTHY OF CRITICISM ???????????????????????????

[woodbuck27]

I certainly hope that they are ahead of the fans. Most GM's - the vast majority - probably are. Well, except maybe Matt Millen.

There are a lot of very observant and intelligent fans associated with any Pro Sports team.

They have reasons to complain or know what those in charge of their teams must do to head in any proper direction.

[Rutnstrut]

True enough. Generally you are a hysterical over reactor, but you are correct here. This has been coming on slowly. We need to find the root cause. I personally believe its a symptom of MM and the way he practices and his general game philosophy. You say its on TT, does that mean you don't think we have enough talent on D?

I actually think the talent on the D isn't terrible, I just don't think Capers knows how to maximize the talent that's there. IMO he seems to have in his mind how things should go, if they don't go that way he is useless. But I also think MM is the same way, if things don't fall the way he thinks they should, he is terrible at making adjustments.

[Patler]

I actually think the talent on the D isn't terrible, I just don't think Capers knows how to maximize the talent that's there. IMO he seems to have in his mind how things should go, if they don't go that way he is useless. But I also think MM is the same way, if things don't fall the way he thinks they should, he is terrible at making adjustments.

Trying to force the players into the system, rather than adapting the system to fit the players?
I have had that feeling with both from time to time. When they have the right players, their systems work very well. If not, well....

[Rutnstrut]

Trying to force the players into the system, rather than adapting the system to fit the players?
I have had that feeling with both from time to time. When they have the right players, their systems work very well. If not, well....

Exactly, which to me makes the team's latest woes mostly brought on by coaching inadequacies, and in a way by keeping those inadequate coaches around it's also TT's fault.

[Smidgeon]

I actually think the talent on the D isn't terrible, I just don't think Capers knows how to maximize the talent that's there. IMO he seems to have in his mind how things should go, if they don't go that way he is useless. But I also think MM is the same way, if things don't fall the way he thinks they should, he is terrible at making adjustments.

That adaptability was one of the things I was initially sold on regarding both M3 and Capers. I expected to see scheme to take advantage of mismatches, to see everything from the 4-3 to the 46 to the 3-4 depending on the players he had, the matchups, and the team they were playing against. In fact, I remember that being one of the selling points, that Capers could run both the 4-3 and the 3-4. Instead, we're seeing what you see: inflexibility.

But I submit that it might not be Capers (not that I'm defending this defensive debacle). Considering the secondary communication issues, I wonder if the ability to know and master multiples defense is too much for the average player. Conversely, I wonder if the types of athletes they have don't translate to multiples. I don't know, but I expected a lot more besides varied blitzes and the occasional psycho. Although, to be completely fair, Capers nickel defense in 2010 with Collins and Woodson was exactly that: a defense tailored to the skills of the players that did an excellent job shutting down opposing offenses.

I think M3 does some of the multiples stuff, but not game-in and game-out like I was expecting. It seems to be more season in and season out. One year it was all inverted wishbone, another year it was 5 wide. So there's some evidence there, but I guess it follows M3's desire to stay the course and only make deliberate changes. Thus why they occur only on a yearly basis.

I do wish both would be more flexible in season though. I think JH was extrapolating about the way this team's multiple offense could work, and I got dreamy thinking about splitting Starks out wide or bringing him in to run with good varied success, seeing DJ Williams in a varied role as well (and now he's gone, so maybe the light never went on), and seeing Cobb used all over.

In both M3 and Caper's cases though, it seems that they both believe in tried and true bases from which to variate but not stray too far. Maybe straying too far has been proven to be highly unsuccessful, but I still wanted to see more of it.

P.S. I apologize for the rambling. We took our one-year-old daughter to the ER last night due to potential concussion symptoms, and I'm really tired (so far, she's okay).

[woodbuck27]

That adaptability was one of the things I was initially sold on regarding both M3 and Capers. I expected to see scheme to take advantage of mismatches, to see everything from the 4-3 to the 46 to the 3-4 depending on the players he had, the matchups, and the team they were playing against. In fact, I remember that being one of the selling points, that Capers could run both the 4-3 and the 3-4. Instead, we're seeing what you see: inflexibility.

But I submit that it might not be Capers (not that I'm defending this defensive debacle). Considering the secondary communication issues, I wonder if the ability to know and master multiples defense is too much for the average player. Conversely, I wonder if the types of athletes they have don't translate to multiples. I don't know, but I expected a lot more besides varied blitzes and the occasional psycho. Although, to be completely fair, Capers nickel defense in 2010 with Collins and Woodson was exactly that: a defense tailored to the skills of the players that did an excellent job shutting down opposing offenses.

I think M3 does some of the multiples stuff, but not game-in and game-out like I was expecting. It seems to be more season in and season out. One year it was all inverted wishbone, another year it was 5 wide. So there's some evidence there, but I guess it follows M3's desire to stay the course and only make deliberate changes. Thus why they occur only on a yearly basis.

I do wish both would be more flexible in season though. I think JH was extrapolating about the way this team's multiple offense could work, and I got dreamy thinking about splitting Starks out wide or bringing him in to run with good varied success, seeing DJ Williams in a varied role as well (and now he's gone, so maybe the light never went on), and seeing Cobb used all over.

In both M3 and Caper's cases though, it seems that they both believe in tried and true bases from which to variate but not stray too far. Maybe straying too far has been proven to be highly unsuccessful, but I still wanted to see more of it.

P.S. I apologize for the rambling. We took our one-year-old daughter to the ER last night due to potential concussion symptoms, and I'm really tired (so far, she's okay).

No your post offers a lot.

I hope your daughter is truly OK Man. You and your wife must somehow rest.

[Patler]

Exactly, which to me makes the team's latest woes mostly brought on by coaching inadequacies, and in a way by keeping those inadequate coaches around it's also TT's fault.

On the other hand, I just read an article mentioning that the Packers have the most consecutive playoff appearances in the NFC with 4, and are tied for the most playoff appearances over the last 10 seasons with 7. So, maybe we are all expecting too much???

[run pMc]

On the other hand, I just read an article mentioning that the Packers have the most consecutive playoff appearances in the NFC with 4, and are tied for the most playoff appearances over the last 10 seasons with 7. So, maybe we are all expecting too much???

Pretty incredible stat when you consider teams like Indy and the Patriots, who always seem to be in the playoffs.
I do think GB has been unbelievably fortunate with QB's over the last 20 years, and I thank my lucky stars for it. Rodgers' injury and the mess at backup QB have really shown how hard it is to win without a QB...especially if injuries hit other places as well (or the defense decides to collapse).

[red]

On the other hand, I just read an article mentioning that the Packers have the most consecutive playoff appearances in the NFC with 4, and are tied for the most playoff appearances over the last 10 seasons with 7. So, maybe we are all expecting too much???

Winning the nfc north and getting in the playoffs because of it is like winning the special olympics

[woodbuck27]

On the other hand, I just read an article mentioning that the Packers have the most consecutive playoff appearances in the NFC with 4, and are tied for the most playoff appearances over the last 10 seasons with 7. So, maybe we are all expecting too much???

I seldom drink wine.

I never water down a good beer.

[woodbuck27]

Winning the nfc north and getting in the playoffs because of it is like winning the special olympics

Maybe I'm dreaming but if Ted gets it right.

I can picture this talented CB, a 5th round prospect heading to our TC late July/Aug 2014. Yes he's from a small College; but as we all know. TT can never be associated with flash. TT certainly has a keen eye for any 'diamond in the rough' football GUY. He only selects such talent upon careful reading and analysis that all takes place after tireless hours in his solitary office. All that coming after a comprehensive examination beforehand by his crack scouting team.

Here's TT's new Guy:



Great teeth as he shouts ...PACKERS !

He's 30 inchs tall and weighs in at 23 lbs. He's fast (a 4.3 - 40) and can leap like hell. Great hands, well very fast hands to snatch balls and break up pass's and go house.

I'm hopeful that TT's going to get it.

[Rodgers12]

Maybe I'm dreaming but if Ted gets it right.

I can picture this talented CB, a 5th round prospect heading to our TC late July/Aug 2014. Yes he's from a small College; but as we all know. TT can never be associated with flash. TT certainly has a keen eye for any 'diamond in the rough' football GUY. He only selects such talent upon careful reading and analysis that all takes place after tireless hours in his solitary office. All that coming after a comprehensive examination beforehand by his crack scouting team.

Here's TT's new Guy:



Great teeth as he shouts ...PACKERS !

He's 30 inchs tall and weighs in at 23 lbs. He's fast (a 4.3 - 40) and can leap like hell. Great hands, well very fast hands to snatch balls and break up pass's and go house.

I'm hopeful that TT's going to get it.

lol

[woodbuck27]

lol

[bobblehead]

On the other hand, I just read an article mentioning that the Packers have the most consecutive playoff appearances in the NFC with 4, and are tied for the most playoff appearances over the last 10 seasons with 7. So, maybe we are all expecting too much???

You sure you didn't just read one of my posts responding to a select few posters?

[bobblehead]

Winning the nfc north and getting in the playoffs because of it is like winning the special olympics

You mean like that year the bears won it and lost in the NFCC game to the packers? Then we won the superbowl. I guess beating every team in the NFC and then the AFCC is now nothing more than special olympics. God I am glad you didn't grade my 98% test scores in High school:

YOU MISSED 2%....YOU SUCK...YOU FAIL!!!!