TED THOMPSON---WORTHY OF CRITICISM ???????????????????????????

[Cheesehead Craig]

Bates left GB when he didn't get the HC job. Sanders was MM's DC.

Ah, thank you for the correction.

[Fritz]

No, i remember someone trying to jump over collins and landed ass first on nicks head

And i dont think it was tramon

Here's a quote of yours that I find humorous and with which I at least partially agree: "We ovespend on our own, why cant we ovespend on others?"

The case in point is probably Brad Jones. He sucks! The team doesn't often seem to let itself get into a corner, but occasionally they do, then they overpay the guy that's there. That seemed to be the case with Jones.

As for the backup QB, I don't think any NFL backup, with maybe one or two exceptions, would have helped more or less than any of the others the Pack has had. Shaun Hill comes to mind as one who might have, the Bears' QB the other.

And yes, a team can get frustrated and beaten down with so many injuries; nonetheless, I am disappointed in this defense.

[Pugger]

I think TT deserves plenty of critisism

And not because of the backup qb mess. Like others have said, we're not talking about our backup not being good enough, he got hurt right away. We' re talking about how our third and fourth string qb isn't good enough. Your third stringer is always gonna be a practice squad guy, your fouth stringer is never gonna be on your roster at the beginning of the year

My problm with tt is the fact that he only uses the draft to build, and a lot of those picks are turning out to be misses

And the overpaying for our own average talent. People like to say its good to stay out of free agency because you always have to overpay. Well we have ovepaid for tramon, hawk, finley, brad jones, bush, and i'm sure theres a few more. These are free agent busts. If they had come from other teams we would be talking about how they we horrible signings

We ovespend on our own, why cant we ovespend on others?

We need a safety, and cant draft one, go sign a guy who can actually start in the nfl. We cant draft o line talent, go get some

Wait a week into free agency for all the crazy deal to get done, then start filling holes

How many 3rd and 4th string QBs are gonna be good enough to win in this league? Isn't that why they aren't the #1 backup? Not many teams prepare for losing both their starting QB and his backup. We just got incredibly unlucky in this regard.

[Pugger]

Ted Thompson seems to me to be a stubborn man.

As long as it acts that way the Green Bay Packers will be at a disadvantage.

In my life I've learned that what isn't working simply needs to be fixed or renewed.

I believe that Ted Thompson needs to change somehow.

I believe that TT needs a brand new blueprint for that change.

My concern as a Packer fan...TT's simply never going to get there.

Back to the meaning of the word... stubborn:

adjective: stubborn

Having or showing dogged determination not to change one's attitude or position on something, especially in spite of good reasons to do so.

Gee, I thought this was the GM who assembled the roster that won a SB just a couple of years ago. Man, we lose a few games because the best player in the game - who was drafted by said GM - goes out and now nobody at 1265 has a clue what they are doing?

[Pugger]

Most blown achilles happen non contact. It may have been bad, but I agree with your assessment.

I thought Wallace pulled his groin...?

[Smidgeon]

It was James Stewart from Carolina. I watched that play 20 -30 times. Only one angle showed how bad Nick torqued his neck. From all the other angles, it just looked like a play. The last NFL tackle for a HOF safety that will never make the Hall.

He was really fun to watch. And it's sad that not only was his HOF career cut short, but we were "robbed" of the joy of watching such a talented player on OUR team.

[woodbuck27]

Gee, I thought this was the GM who assembled the roster that won a SB just a couple of years ago. Man, we lose a few games because the best player in the game - who was drafted by said GM - goes out and now nobody at 1265 has a clue what they are doing?

I'm saying in my observation he appears 'stubborn'.

Just stubborn Pugger... NOT brain dead.

[Rutnstrut]

I think Thompson deserves to be thought of as one of the best GM's of the last decade. I'm glad we have him.

As far as criticizing this season, sometimes I think people are trigger-quick to point fingers and blame before it's really necessary. It's the NFL. It's not always going to be rosy, but we're a team with a front office (personnel and coaching) that has us in position to compete for a SB victory year after year after year.

All is good in Green Bay. Nothing to see here, not yet anyway.

The thing is, defensively speaking it's not just one bad season. This train wreck has been in the making for years, and it's on TT for not heading it off.

[bobblehead]

I thought Wallace pulled his groin...?

yep, i was using the achilles as an example that I actually knew something about.

[bobblehead]

The thing is, defensively speaking it's not just one bad season. This train wreck has been in the making for years, and it's on TT for not heading it off.

True enough. Generally you are a hysterical over reactor, but you are correct here. This has been coming on slowly. We need to find the root cause. I personally believe its a symptom of MM and the way he practices and his general game philosophy. You say its on TT, does that mean you don't think we have enough talent on D?

[KYPack]

He was really fun to watch. And it's sad that not only was his HOF career cut short, but we were "robbed" of the joy of watching such a talented player on OUR team.

Great ballplayer. Once he hit his stride only Ed Reed was better and he may have even surpassed Ed in time.

It's almost painful now to watch his killer pick in the SB, knowing we would lose him forever the next season.

[woodbuck27]

True enough. Generally you are a hysterical over reactor, but you are correct here. This has been coming on slowly. We need to find the root cause. I personally believe its a symptom of MM and the way he practices and his general game philosophy. You say its on TT, does that mean you don't think we have enough talent on D?

Ask yourself why does a respected member of Packerats like B. start this thread? Why do some of us welcome an examination of Ted Thompson? There are very intelligent people here at Packerrats and I also believe fair and reasonable minded as well.

The objective of this thread should concern all of us in terms of what's right and not who's right. We expend tremendous energy sometimes examining things Packers. I believe this thread will survive long and in time be exceeded 'only' by the Favre thread in terms of it's prominence on Packerrats.

If we arrive at a consensus that the team is flawed in any way and let's simply start with what we see on ST's. If nothing is done by MM >>> TT to secure a change.

Of course TT will be then to blame as it's a case of shit flowing >>> from uphill.

I realize this is a shock to some of you Packer fans (many Packerrats) that have literally stood Ted Thompson on a pedestal. I view Ted Thompson otherwise. I try hard to overall be objective in my views and examination of Ted Thompson.

Hey ... I was once there and Brett Favre and now see it all in a different light. Mind you I see Favre for all the good he did do too, as what will usher him into the HOF.

I'm very concerned and dedicating some serious time to studying this now bobblehead.

Our beloved Packers has been in some general decline since we won the Super Bowl; more specifically after we went 15-1 in the 2011 season when all seemed so very good. I believe as Packer fans we need to focus on everything since the end of the 2011 season to discover what's been, and is happening..

It's not enough as fans to merely slam Ted Thompson. Rather best to look at his moves, 'no moves' and critique the Packers GM not call for his head or dump all over him. I mean I'm one of the first here to poke fun at Ted Thompson because frankly he seems weird to me. It's a personality thing ... he's just not my type of MAN. He's not the Man's Man I wish he could be. I was groomed in a tough environment. Raised to stand up straight and do all I can/could to get the plan right. Do all I could every single day to keep it there or better it.

Thus my worst hair pull and TT and his invisibility. Sometimes that man seems to literally disappear.

Also ... as I've posted lately. Maybe it's just my observation and I'm totally misled but Ted Thompson seems simply stubborn to who he is and doesn't demonstrate someone who grows.

I don't give a damn for what he supposedly did and gets credit for in the past in terms of the now. Drafting Aaron Rodgers was by far his crowning achievement as Packer GM.He's made other drasft picks on the offensive side of the ball that proved impressive.

On the defensive side. Take away Nick Collins and CM III and who really has excited you to date?

It's for me the fan. What have you done for me lately?

I'm positive that the Green Bay Packers are more challenged defensively than two seasons ago and that challenge is growing because the product doesn't meet the demand. We lost Nick Collins and Charles Woodson is playing in Oakland. I recognize these loss's and why we suffered them. I understand their impact on our 'D'.

I am paying attention. Overall it's more that those loss's and a deteriorating 'D'. Ted Thompson must share the blame here along with the Packer coaching staff.

If I could address TT in his office the focus of my visit as a concerned Green Bay packer fan:

Ted Thompson must do more to provide better talent on defense and STOP awarding players that don't deserve such.

GO PACK GO !

[Fritz]

I'm very concerned and dedicating some serious time to studying this now bobblehead.

We've been in some general decline since we won the Super Bowl and more specifically after we went 15-1 in the 2011 season and all seemed so awesome. I believe as Packer fans we need to focus on everything since the end of the 2011 season.

It's not enough as fans to merely slam Ted Thompson but to look at his moves and no moves and critique the Packers GM not call for his head 'just now' or dump all over him. I mean I'm one of the first here to poke fun at Ted Thompson because frankly he seems weird to me. It's a personality thing ...he's just not my type of MAN. He's not the Man's Man I wish he could be. I was groomed in a tough environment. Raised to stnd up straight and do all I can to get the plan right and do all I could every single day to keep it there or better it.

Ted Thompson seems simply stubborn to who he is and doesn't demonstrate someone who grows.

I don't give a damn for what he supposedly did and gets credit for in the past in terms of the now.

It's for me the fan. What have you done for me lately?

I'm positive that the Green Bay Packers are more challenged defensively than two seasons ago and that challenge is growing because the product doesn't meet the demand.

Ted Thompson must share the blame here along with the Packer coaching staff.

Ted Thompson must do more to provide better talent on defense and STOP awarding players that don't deserve such.

GO PACK GO !

What people seem to forget is that after losing back-to-back games to the Lions and Patriots in 2010, the team was perilously close to missing the playoffs and lots of fans - on this site - wanted MM and TT gone. Then, well, we know what happened.

It's easy for us to note some kind of long term decline, but it was only five games ago a lot of us - a lot - were starting to think this season, this team, had the feel of 2010. They'd already had a boatload of injuries, but they hung in, the D seemed to be starting to jell (at least against the run), and the offense looked more balanced than it had since Ahman Green was in his prime.

But the injuries cascaded, and did not stop even with Rodgers' injury. It's been a clusterfuck of an injury-filled season, moreso in terms of key players than even in 2010, given that Rodgers has been out so long.

While I am deeply disappointed with the defense, and I am hoping MM and company will take a deep look at the causes of the many defensive breakdowns, and while I'd probably be glad if they ditched Capers at season's end, I also would be okay if they kept the guy.

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, as they used to say.

[woodbuck27]

What people seem to forget is that after losing back-to-back games to the Lions and Patriots in 2010, the team was perilously close to missing the playoffs and lots of fans - on this site - wanted MM and TT gone. Then, well, we know what happened.

It's easy for us to note some kind of long term decline, but it was only five games ago a lot of us - a lot - were starting to think this season, this team, had the feel of 2010. They'd already had a boatload of injuries, but they hung in, the D seemed to be starting to jell (at least against the run), and the offense looked more balanced than it had since Ahman Green was in his prime.

But the injuries cascaded, and did not stop even with Rodgers' injury. It's been a clusterfuck of an injury-filled season, moreso in terms of key players than even in 2010, given that Rodgers has been out so long.

While I am deeply disappointed with the defense, and I am hoping MM and company will take a deep look at the causes of the many defensive breakdowns, and while I'd probably be glad if they ditched Capers at season's end, I also would be okay if they kept the guy.

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, as they used to say.

Yes Fritz:

We have enough here to determine the why's and how's to keep moving forward.

The bottom line...TT and MM have to be on point with or ahead of us and always on TARGET >>> SUPER BOWL !

[Fritz]

I certainly hope that they are ahead of the fans. Most GM's - the vast majority - probably are. Well, except maybe Matt Millen.