TED THOMPSON---WORTHY OF CRITICISM ???????????????????????????

[Pugger]

Competent QB play:

Does that include competency in a backup QB ?

Only when you have to play them.

[smuggler]

My 2cents, I prefer the roster to the coaches. Exception being Kevin Greene (but who doesn't like that guy)...

[Patler]

So, let's revisit the backup QB thing as it relates to Matt Flynn:

3 games played, record of 1-1-1

vs. Vikings - came in with less than a half to go, and trailing 7-23. Produced four consecutive scoring drives to tie in regulation and take the lead in OT. Finished the game 21/36 for 218 yards and 1 TD. QB rating 85.2.

vs. Lions - played horrible, as did all aspects of the team. This wasn't just a Flynn loss.

vs. Falcons - rallied the team in the second half from a 10-21 deficit. Had 3 consecutive second half scoring drives to take the lead. Finished the game 24/32 for 258 yards and 1 TD. QB rating 95.6.

Producing a record of 1-1-1 in three games when the defense continues to play poorly, can you expect more than that from a backup QB? Especially a backup QB who was there only 10 days before seeing his first game action?

[pbmax]

Everyone's shorts are in a bunch because either:

1) Flynn should have been signed earlier

2) A near-certain number 2 should have been in camp at the end of July, not Coleman and Harrell.

But really, the specifics reasons don't matter as most of the crowd who now want to know why Flynn wasn't signed earlier were calling for him to be replaced by Tolzien at halftime of the Falcons game. The only solution or reasoning that would satisfy them would either be Rodgers not getting hurt or spending more money on a backup QB.

They only see the risk, not the payoff of being young and cheap back there. Rest assured, if money was spent to bring in Hasselback, we would have wailing that there is no money to sign core Packer FAs.

[Zool]

Everyone's shorts are in a bunch because either:

1) Flynn should have been signed earlier

2) A near-certain number 2 should have been in camp at the end of July, not Coleman and Harrell.

But really, the specifics reasons don't matter as most of the crowd who now want to know why Flynn wasn't signed earlier were calling for him to be replaced by Tolzien at halftime of the Falcons game. The only solution or reasoning that would satisfy them would either be Rodgers not getting hurt or spending more money on a backup QB.

They only see the risk, not the payoff of being young and cheap back there. Rest assured, if money was spent to bring in Hasselback, we would have wailing that there is no money to sign core Packer FAs.

This doesn't sound so hard to do. Sign every free agent at every position, and then cut the ones who end up sucking. Leave about $50million in dead money every season and never draft again because clearly fans know way more about the NFL than the people who work there.

[denverYooper]

So, let's revisit the backup QB thing as it relates to Matt Flynn:

3 games played, record of 1-1-1

vs. Vikings - came in with less than a half to go, and trailing 7-23. Produced four consecutive scoring drives to tie in regulation and take the lead in OT. Finished the game 21/36 for 218 yards and 1 TD. QB rating 85.2.

vs. Lions - played horrible, as did all aspects of the team. This wasn't just a Flynn loss.

vs. Falcons - rallied the team in the second half from a 10-21 deficit. Had 3 consecutive second half scoring drives to take the lead. Finished the game 24/32 for 258 yards and 1 TD. QB rating 95.6.

Producing a record of 1-1-1 in three games when the defense continues to play poorly, can you expect more than that from a backup QB? Especially a backup QB who was there only 10 days before seeing his first game action?

I brought this up elsewhere in a slightly different form, but Flynn does seem to be the ideal backup for them. He's got his limitations, as any backup does, but he can run their offense (of which no huddle is a significant part) and doesn't make a lot of killer mistakes. Generally, the most you can ask a backup QB is to be able to get out of a game or keep your team afloat while their franchise QB recovers.

It'll be interesting to see if they keep Flynn as a longer-term backup or go with Tolzien. On the one hand, Tolzien has a better arm and quicker trigger. On the other, Flynn holds the ball longer but has generally made better decisions. Is that a function of his experience with McCarthy's system? Can Tolzien get there with time in the system? I can see it more likely that Flynn would be ok serving as a long-term backup in GB, whereas Tolzien might want a shot at the starter's apple after a couple of years under M3 (counting this year).

[bobblehead]

So, let's revisit the backup QB thing as it relates to Matt Flynn:

3 games played, record of 1-1-1

vs. Vikings - came in with less than a half to go, and trailing 7-23. Produced four consecutive scoring drives to tie in regulation and take the lead in OT. Finished the game 21/36 for 218 yards and 1 TD. QB rating 85.2.

vs. Lions - played horrible, as did all aspects of the team. This wasn't just a Flynn loss.

vs. Falcons - rallied the team in the second half from a 10-21 deficit. Had 3 consecutive second half scoring drives to take the lead. Finished the game 24/32 for 258 yards and 1 TD. QB rating 95.6.

Producing a record of 1-1-1 in three games when the defense continues to play poorly, can you expect more than that from a backup QB? Especially a backup QB who was there only 10 days before seeing his first game action?

The defense played well in Atlanta. Look, blaming TT for lack of an all pro back up QB is comical. Its reaching. Its desperate. Its sort of like the democrats blaming the GOP for not fixing THEIR healthcare law.

[woodbuck27]

So, let's revisit the backup QB thing as it relates to Matt Flynn:

3 games played, record of 1-1-1

vs. Vikings - came in with less than a half to go, and trailing 7-23. Produced four consecutive scoring drives to tie in regulation and take the lead in OT. Finished the game 21/36 for 218 yards and 1 TD. QB rating 85.2.

vs. Lions - played horrible, as did all aspects of the team. This wasn't just a Flynn loss.

vs. Falcons - rallied the team in the second half from a 10-21 deficit. Had 3 consecutive second half scoring drives to take the lead. Finished the game 24/32 for 258 yards and 1 TD. QB rating 95.6.

Producing a record of 1-1-1 in three games when the defense continues to play poorly, can you expect more than that from a backup QB? Especially a backup QB who was there only 10 days before seeing his first game action?

I have to say....surprizing.

I believe that Flynn has respect or is well liked and a bonus for the team in the locker room and that rallies (inspires)the team to play better. Looking at his body of work and as limited as it is...doesn't reveal that he's a bad QB. He does get the job done.

Matt Flynn showed more arm strength Vs Atlanta. Up next... Dallas looked terrible Vs the Bears on MNF.

We get them in Dallas but on a short week? Matt Flynn again in week 15!? MM may well be thinking that's best.

I'll give MM credit too for sticking with Flynn when Lambeau Field had turned loud/ugly at half time of that Atlanta game. There had to be pressure on MM to make a switch but really...to what? Tolzien is terrific or bust!

What was MM thinking just after half time Vs Atlanta?

Maybe....MM will think twice about using his RB late in a half and possibly seeing him banged up when the gain and very limited chance of that (points up on a score board) wasn't worth the longer term risk. As it went Lacy was hobbled with a senseless play call. Take the knee MM !!

The Packer fans let MM know he was acting like a bone head at the end of that first half. How Mike could have been in some shock/surprize at the fans response is a concern to me. Wake up Mike ! There's a lot of Packer fan eyes onn you now. I've seen fan reactions get coach's fired and maybe that can happen even in Green Bay.

Fans are funny creations. Everything is calm when your winning but lose a few and POW! Off like a cannon. Fans really only want one thing... WINS!!!

Back to Matt Flynn.

He's continuing to prove that he's paying attention and could be called 'clutch'. Behind the Packers OL the QB position can implode anytime. It can mean a very bad day for Matt Flynn and ...it can mean surgery for Aaron Rodgers.

MM has to be hoping that Aaron is ruled medically unsound to go Vs Dallas. Aaron isn't thinking that way and neither is Matt Flynn. I like Flynn's attitude and brains.

Matt Flynn knows that Aaron Rodgers gives the Packers the very best chance of a 2013 season playoff appearance as the NFCN Champion.

In Dallas this coming Sunday... take em Packers !

GO PACK GO !

[Pugger]

Everyone's shorts are in a bunch because either:

1) Flynn should have been signed earlier

2) A near-certain number 2 should have been in camp at the end of July, not Coleman and Harrell.

But really, the specifics reasons don't matter as most of the crowd who now want to know why Flynn wasn't signed earlier were calling for him to be replaced by Tolzien at halftime of the Falcons game. The only solution or reasoning that would satisfy them would either be Rodgers not getting hurt or spending more money on a backup QB.

They only see the risk, not the payoff of being young and cheap back there. Rest assured, if money was spent to bring in Hasselback, we would have wailing that there is no money to sign core Packer FAs.

How long was Flynn umemployed before we signed him after Wallace got hurt? 2/3 days? We had a healthy Wallace and Tolzien on the PS when Flynn was cut by Buffalo if memory serves.

[woodbuck27]

The defense played well in Atlanta. Look, blaming TT for lack of an all pro back up QB is comical. Its reaching. Its desperate. Its sort of like the democrats blaming the GOP for not fixing THEIR healthcare law.

Ohh Ohh Honk !!

! An improper use of a simile.

Green Bay Packers <<< >>> Democrats ~ GOP ~ Healthcare Law

[Smidgeon]

I brought this up elsewhere in a slightly different form, but Flynn does seem to be the ideal backup for them. He's got his limitations, as any backup does, but he can run their offense (of which no huddle is a significant part) and doesn't make a lot of killer mistakes. Generally, the most you can ask a backup QB is to be able to get out of a game or keep your team afloat while their franchise QB recovers.

It'll be interesting to see if they keep Flynn as a longer-term backup or go with Tolzien. On the one hand, Tolzien has a better arm and quicker trigger. On the other, Flynn holds the ball longer but has generally made better decisions. Is that a function of his experience with McCarthy's system? Can Tolzien get there with time in the system? I can see it more likely that Flynn would be ok serving as a long-term backup in GB, whereas Tolzien might want a shot at the starter's apple after a couple of years under M3 (counting this year).

I think the hope when they let Flynn walk in Free Agency was that they'd find somebody with a better arm (Coleman) who would learn the system and become a competent backup. The guess here is that they don't like Flynn's arm and wanted a stronger QB back there. When Seneca dropped to injury, their development was Tolzein, a guy with a stronger arm. When they realized he didn't know the system enough, they put Flynn into the game.

So with that as a backdrop, I think they keep them both through the offseason, gauge Tolzein's development, understanding of the system, and decision making, then jettison Flynn in cut downs if those are all up to par.

[pbmax]

I have to say....surprizing.

I believe that Flynn has respect or is well liked and a bonus for the team in the locker room and that rallies (inspires)the team to play better. Looking at his body of work and as limited as it is...doesn't reveal that he's a bad QB. He does get the job done.

He is a bad QB, a bad starting QB. He is fine for a backup. I don't think his arm got stronger in a week. He was playing a lesser defense than on Thanksgiving and he was at home.

Maybe....MM will think twice about using his RB late in a half and possibly seeing him banged up when the gain and very limited chance of that (points up on a score board) wasn't worth the longer term risk. As it went Lacy was hobbled with a senseless play call. Take the knee MM !!

The Packer fans let MM know he was acting like a bone head at the end of that first half. How Mike could have been in some shock/surprize at the fans response is a concern to me. Wake up Mike ! There's a lot of Packer fan eyes onn you now. I've seen fan reactions get coach's fired and maybe that can happen even in Green Bay.

Fans weren't booing the Lacy run because of the injury risk. The Packers were down big with an anemic offense and they wanted to see a scoring attempt. The only thing that would have made them boo louder would be if M3 took a knee. He could not pass again unless he wanted to risk punting to the Falcons.

[woodbuck27]

He is a bad QB, a bad starting QB. He is fine for a backup. I don't think his arm got stronger in a week. He was playing a lesser defense than on Thanksgiving and he was at home.



Fans weren't booing the Lacy run because of the injury risk. The Packers were down big with an anemic offense and they wanted to see a scoring attempt. The only thing that would have made them boo louder would be if M3 took a knee. He could not pass again unless he wanted to risk punting to the Falcons.

I cannot with the evidence I gleen post that Matt Flynn is >>> a BAD NFL QB. He 'in fact' hasn't looked really bad overall in his NFL appearances. Look at his record pbmax. That record could be far worse. We could certainly agree that he's bad as a starting QB. I'm not sure of his endurance or toughness. I'm certainly questioning his arm strength after three - four consecutive NFL starts. There is no way to examine that from his past experience in the NFL. The fan cannot examine that.

Ted Thompson and his scouting staff sure can...did...and could. Us the fans need to take 'a wait and see'.

RE: MM and his final play call at the end of the first half Vs Atlanta:

The media reports that the fans booing was the result of the Packers 'O' stinking out the joint in the first half of the Atlanta game. It looks like the icing on the cake for the boo's was MM and not calling a knee at the end of that half and seeing Lacy limp off the field as the half ended. Is it simply a media driven criticism of Mike McCarthy.

I'm a football fan. If I was right next to MM in the stands and witnessed that call and results. Frankly I'd have boo's for MM if I could muster that up after some shock over his last play call. Look at my reaction after that call in the game thread. I'm not even watching that game on TV. All I have is NFL.Com for that game.

My reaction was immediate and not at all expressing 'pleased'. If I'm seeing it on TV and moreso LIVE...MM gets it !

[pbmax]

I cannot with the evidence I gleen post that Matt Flynn is >>> a BAD NFL QB. He 'in fact' hasn't looked really bad overall in his NFL appearances. Look at his record pbmax. That record could be far worse. We could certainly agree that he's bad as a starting QB. I'm not sure of his endurance or toughness. I'm certainly questioning his arm strength after three - four consecutive NFL starts. There is no way to examine that from his past experience in the NFL. The fan cannot examine that.

Ted Thompson and his scouting staff sure can...did...and could. Us the fans need to take 'a wait and see'.

He has failed to secure a starting job with the Packers, the Seahawks, the Raiders and the Bills. He has started so few games that his record doesn't make much of a dent in that fact, but he is 2-3 in his starts. His career passer rating is 87.4. Its 81.4 this year in Green Bay.

He is so well thought of by the Packer staff that they avoided signing him twice before bringing him in when Wallace was hurt and they were down to one healthy QB.

It is sometimes said that there are not really 32 starting quality QBs in the League. He is 33rd or perhaps lower.

As I said he is a bad starter, but OK for a backup.

[bobblehead]

He has failed to secure a starting job with the Packers, the Seahawks, the Raiders and the Bills. He has started so few games that his record doesn't make much of a dent in that fact, but he is 2-3 in his starts. His career passer rating is 87.4. Its 81.4 this year in Green Bay.

He is so well thought of by the Packer staff that they avoided signing him twice before bringing him in when Wallace was hurt and they were down to one healthy QB.

It is sometimes said that there are not really 32 starting quality QBs in the League. He is 33rd or perhaps lower.

As I said he is a bad starter, but OK for a backup.

I can't say how he is as a starter. He hasn't had enough sample size to be sure. I think he could be a bottom 1/3 starter in this league. Lead a solid team to 10-6. I think he would lead a team to a record that resembled the talent. If he were to be starter in GB for an entire season I think 10-6 or 11-5 would be likely. I don't think they avoided bringing him in because of him, as much as 1) his salary and 2) not changing from tolzien too fast. When he cleared waivers and wallace was hurt we brought him in.

If he had been available at the beginning of the season at league minimum I think he would have been the backup then.