Robert McGinn end of season breakdown

[woodbuck27]

Yes, realize the context in which I made the post. Someone was saying something stupid such as the packers without Rodgers have no chance against these teams, but if you took their starting QB away they still are right there with us.

I disagree.

Take the starting QB away for the Packers and the opponent and in any game Vs the better NFL teams (especially the Seahawks, Panthers, 49ers and Saints).

There the Packers are certainly hard up against it. 'In reality' would be analyzed thus more often than not fail.

FAIL yes by all means FAIL because of the weakness on the Green Bay Packers small 'd' 24th ranked defense and bad to lousy performance on ST's.

We can't see the defense as it's played last season or a bottom third NFL 24th ranked defense. See the ST's as it's sucked all season and respect Mike McCarthy if he DOES nothing.

For any Packer fan or Packerrat to go there is simply "wrong". If that's the way that fan is likely in for a huge letdown over the next season. Now there is always a chance that next season could be perfect. Thus this isn't a line in that sand issue to argue over, It will be what TT and MM and company put into it this off season. That's the bottom line that no one here will influence one way or another.

The Green Bay Packer simply must improve on the defensive side of the ball and on ST's. Somehow create more turn overs. Our DB's (secondary) is seriously failing right now. If we lose Tramon Williams and Sam Shields and don't fix at safety and overall fix the middle of the defense. With so many Packer now headed to FA. The brew is getting really sour.

Add to that anymore decline on offense. Then without a certain and REAL ACTION Program. I really do believe that Packer Nation isn't going to be pleased.

For all that makes any decent sense. Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy simply put, must change what I see now as more stagnation.

I'm not here predicting such failure. I'm here very concerned that Ted Thompson may miss again in this draft. He got it right last season. Thus I have hope for the future, but there's the flip side that he's also missed a lot in his drafts.

Yes ...and isn't that a shocker that I would write that he has failed a LOT.

Do your homework and you'll certainly realize that TRUTH. TT doesn't seem to learn from mistakes. That is passed down to his teams Head coach Mike McCarthy who at times looked terrible this past season.

MM cannot deal with stress / pressure very well. He either freezes (gets a brain freeze); gets the blinders on; doesn't see what's too obviously seen and doesn't delegate "much needed to delegate responsibility", well at all.

It has to come down to much more in terms of attitude and respect for why the Packer fans are so loyal and hopeful. It's ALL about "just winning baby". That's where the San Francisco 49ers TEAM has it right now and maybe MM might pay attention.

I don't expect that Packer fans or Packerrats should all get there. Not unless your in disagreement with well you don't know much as "just a fan'. That you counter with a disapproval of that BULLSHIT ! That your a Packer fan that's informed and paying maximum attention. That your a Packer fan that expects your team to WIN.

JUST WIN !!

End of Part One of this post... Please see Part two if you care.

GO PACK GO !

[Smidgeon]

Of course, because the QB is the entire offense and there is no such thing as defense or Special Teams.

If it works for them, maybe TT should forsake Defense entirely in the draft and just make the offense completely unstoppable...

[denverYooper]

Of course, because the QB is the entire offense and there is no such thing as defense or Special Teams.

Or other teams.

Brady wouldn't have made it past San Fran either.

Well, he might have, but it was probably much easier to have Luck throw 4 picks to your defense.

[woodbuck27]

Part Two From PART ONE in Post #91.

Ted Thompson is likely going to again predominately stick with his draft and develop policy. If he does that without reaching into the pool of FA's for some "good value talent" he's betting on a weaker hand and more likely going to fail.

Ted Thompson doesn't have to nor will TT break the bank. He's done enough there already in terms of Aaron Rodgers and Clay Matthews. Both of these Packer STARS need to look hard inside of themselves and concentrate on health and giving a lot more in 2014. Neither of those fellas earned their LARGE pay checks last season. Clay Mathews is a major concern as I see him. He has to focus on football....

Please Clay. If your going to act in the movie business then hand in your Packer helmut. Then we'll be rather than 60% sure your not going to be available. We'll be absolutely 100% sure your FLASHING (maybe) in Hollywood.

A lot of stars must align in TT's Solar System or the Green Bay Packers are looking again at their fourth straight playoff failure. They have to make the playoffs as a first step to even approaching reasonable success in 2014. There are teams in the NFCN that are going to work their tails off to ensure the Packers stumble. It seems to me that's already in process.

So far the Green Bay Packers are off to a poor start. No ... a shockingly poor start. Delusion seems to abound in Green Bay.

The attitude and an obvious state of emergency is being ignored. If that carries over into FA and TT doesn't nail this draft ie for one/two impact player (s).

I'm worried for the 2014 season.

That's not a prediction for imminent failure. That's what I see developing. That bugs the heck out of me. Ted Thompson's stubbornness to change will be the report on him after he's gone.

In order for me to be pleased with Ted Thompson. He should within himself summon change/growth.

The defense failing. The ST's failing.

You cannot blame it on injuries as that adversity is standard with any NFL team. The reason it snowballs is because Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy are somehow failing to get tough football players in Green Bay.

Stay the heck away from the White Collar Silver Spoon fed College boys/jocks. Get some real men into Green Bay. The first order of that day and Scouting and drafting has to be talent and TOUGHNESS !!

This is too obvious and not "reinventing the wheel - Rocket Science".

Ted Thompson has to draft MEN that when he meets them look like they could kick the crap out of him.

and ensuring by using proper conditioning and dietary programs to make packers more durable. The NFL is a dangerous work environment.

I don't imagine that Ted Thompson will be active out of the gate and Free Agency but he must get something really solid this off season. The real issue there. Will a decent Free Agent desire to play as a Green Bay Packer. Players leave Green Bay and pass on information and that spreads like wild fire. I just hope the message is positive and Green Bay's a great place and "the Packers" a Super Organization to play for. Mike Mccarthy tells me that's the case but Mike McCarthy says a lot that I deem sketchy.

Ted Thompson and his drafting success. His draft class for 2013 is a good success. That class made a solid contribution.

He has to hit it really solid again this season and the next and next...on and on..hit it. Looking back on the past how well has Ted Thompson really done? It's generally recognized that it takes 3 seasons for a prospect to develop fully as a very solid NFL team contributor.

Injuries snowball. If starters go down for excessive games the backups must be solid enough to hold down the fort. They must be game ready and in awesome condition.If any of these backup's fall your into your third stringers. Yup your getting it as up next is the dependable street FA. The miracle worker game changer !?

Hardly.

Ted Thompsons Draft and Develop Program fails when injuries predominate. You cannot teach/train/develop what's over the top too often injured. Get that for one season and it's not good. Get that for how many straight seasons now "and The Green Bay Packers"; and the prediction of failure in Ted Thompsons Program is an obvious conclusion. A "short of miracle" impending result.

Mike McCarthy cannot ever respond like some spoiled grade eight student, when asked the difficult question. He certainly has to have a solid answer as to what he's ensuring will stop the injuries. Mike McCarthy is something else in front of a microphone. WOW! He certainly is lacking in terms of personality and nice.

GO PACK GO !

[mraynrand]

And that first quarter where the Packers didn't even attempt a pass kind of took the wind out of the optimism sails for me. There was still a chance at the end, but that first quarter put me at the edge of my seat.

well, they kinda attempted to pass, it's just that Rodgers wouldn't pull the trigger, got sacked twice, the screen got blown up on one play there was no check down on at least another.

[woodbuck27]

I detest him because he is a dick. I have no problem with him kissing his bicep, but he is the type that isn't content winning, he must mock Cam Newton's celebration. That is a dick move plain and simple. Likely if we kick their ass next year and Rodgers were to kiss his bicep, Kap would be up in arms about it.

That's 'the Spirit'.

We'll hire this guy to sit on him if Kaepernick doesn't get a grip on the show boating.



It's Jim Harbaugh that bites my arse.

[bobblehead]

I disagree.

Take the starting QB away for the Packers and the opponent and in any game Vs the better NFL teams (especially the Seahawks, Panthers, 49ers and Saints).

Now you disagree with something I nor anyone said. The OP said that packers lose ARod and we aren't close. Those teams lose their QB and its still close. Nobody said anything about taking BOTH QB's away.

[Rutnstrut]

Of course, because the QB is the entire offense and there is no such thing as defense or Special Teams.

What, I was commenting on the Rodgers being the best QB thing, simply comparing QB's apples to apples. Do you really think Rodgers is better, he has a lot of play off wins to get yet to convince me.

[Pugger]

I'm just trolling. Wilson has had some awful games this year though. The Seattle defense is a bigger part of why they are so successful if you ask me.

In Wilson's senior year at Wisconsin he was great during the regular season but not so hot in the Rose Bowl.

[Pugger]

http://badgernoonan.tumblr.com/post/73222956300/jsonline-getting-left-behind-by-elite-football-hot

[Rutnstrut]

In Wilson's senior year at Wisconsin he was great during the regular season but not so hot in the Rose Bowl.

Actually the whole team collapsed, as the Badgers always do in the bowl games.

[mraynrand]

What, I was commenting on the Rodgers being the best QB thing, simply comparing QB's apples to apples. Do you really think Rodgers is better, he has a lot of play off wins to get yet to convince me.

It's tough to argue with Brady as the best in the NFL. Three superbowls, coupla AFC Championship games, lots of playoff appearances and records galore. Interesting point to ponder: Compare teams losing Brady, Manning and Rodgers, and it seems like the Colts were affected the most, Packers next, and Pats survived the best with Cassel. Maybe that's because Cassel is better than Colt and Packer backups, respectively, or it's because the team around the QB was relatively better. Hard to know. What I do know is that Rodgers is an excellent QB. Not so much worried about figuring out whether he's better or worse than Manning to Brady, but how to get him surrounded by sufficient talent to win. As the Steve Young in Tampa lesson shows, a great QB is garbage without a good surrounding cast, just as a good team can drop off the map without their great QB.

[bobblehead]

What, I was commenting on the Rodgers being the best QB thing, simply comparing QB's apples to apples. Do you really think Rodgers is better, he has a lot of play off wins to get yet to convince me.

I guess my overall point was/is that any team loses a good QB and they are going to struggle. I don't think anyone can argue that point. I also think that a good team beats nearly any team who is playing with their backup QB, even if that team is Seattle or SF.

[Smidgeon]

It's tough to argue with Brady as the best in the NFL. Three superbowls, coupla AFC Championship games, lots of playoff appearances and records galore. Interesting point to ponder: Compare teams losing Brady, Manning and Rodgers, and it seems like the Colts were affected the most, Packers next, and Pats survived the best with Cassel. Maybe that's because Cassel is better than Colt and Packer backups, respectively, or it's because the team around the QB was relatively better. Hard to know. What I do know is that Rodgers is an excellent QB. Not so much worried about figuring out whether he's better or worse than Manning to Brady, but how to get him surrounded by sufficient talent to win. As the Steve Young in Tampa lesson shows, a great QB is garbage without a good surrounding cast, just as a good team can drop off the map without their great QB.

Good points.

[call_me_ishmael]

"And one last thing: "they" often say that Rodgers is arguably the best QB in the league. He is very good, but with Brady taking his team to the AFC championship for the third consecutive year, is it even a debate (and no, I don't think Payton is either because he needs a great cast to do anything in the playoffs)?"

Not even close imo, Brady is a much better QB than Rodgers, of course Brady also has a much better head coach.

Brady is amazing for sure. I think the whole organization, top-down, is just run much better than every other team. The Packers are one of the truly elite special organizations - and the Pats are still a mile ahead imo.