Packers re-sign Shields, 4 year $39 million

[pbmax]

You got it Red. Sam made out like a bandit for 2 years. I hope he stays hungry enough to see the rest of that deal. There is still $18 mil on the backend.

[Fritz]

Had we lost Shields, Red woulda been the first Roman to hammer Ted to the cross.

[red]

i don't know about that

i'm thinking that if we had spent that 9 million on byrd and let shields walk, then our secondary overall would have been better

i'm glad shields is back, i do think he's a good player. just not an elite player, which is what we just paid him like he was

byrd imo, is an elite safety, and deserved to be paid like a top safety

[Fritz]

We shall see!

[pbmax]

i don't know about that

i'm thinking that if we had spent that 9 million on byrd and let shields walk, then our secondary overall would have been better

i'm glad shields is back, i do think he's a good player. just not an elite player, which is what we just paid him like he was

byrd imo, is an elite safety, and deserved to be paid like a top safety

Nope. We are short an outside cover guy. House is next in line and he underperformed last year. Crabtree was roasting him until they rolled coverage over him.

[red]

Nope. We are short an outside cover guy. House is next in line and he underperformed last year. Crabtree was roasting him until they rolled coverage over him.

your #4 cb shouldn't be covering crabtree without any kind of help in the first place

and house as #4 cb is better then unnamed undrafted rookie B starting at safety, which i wouldn't put past TT after what we witnessed him do last season

[pbmax]

your #4 cb shouldn't be covering crabtree without any kind of help in the first place

and house as #4 cb is better then unnamed undrafted rookie B starting at safety, which i wouldn't put past TT after what we witnessed him do last season

Calling him #4 is misleading though. Hyde and Hayward are not playing outside unless Tramontana and Shields get hurt. House IS the backup outside corner.

[Brandon494]

Calling him #4 is misleading though. Hyde and Hayward are not playing outside unless Tramontana and Shields get hurt. House IS the backup outside corner.

Yea because Hayward was out, actually House is our #5 CB. Either way I still don't understand how House matched up with Crabtree unless they were playing a zone coverage.

[pbmax]

Yea because Hayward was out, actually House is our #5 CB. Either way I still don't understand how House matched up with Crabtree unless they were playing a zone coverage.

Hard to say about Hayward, he missed some camp so they might have tried him outside, but don't recall it with what we saw. House was the #3 outside CB all year long. Shields and Tramontana started, House was the first one there if one was hurt.

House on Crabtree happened after Shields went out. Tramon was on Boldin and they started with the single safety helping cover VD over the top. After Crab got several catches versus House, they alternated a bit with safety help either on VD or Crab depending on alignment or down and distance, wasn't sure. Not much zone that I saw.

Wasn't a tire fire, but House was rarely in a position to make a play on the ball. He needs to play. I don't think he can learn anymore in the classroom or on the practice field.

[mraynrand]

House held up reasonably well, for being thrown into that fire, after his abysmal play, the ass-kicking he took leading to being benched up to that point.

[Patler]

i'm thinking that if we had spent that 9 million on byrd and let shields walk, then our secondary overall would have been better

i'm glad shields is back, i do think he's a good player. just not an elite player, which is what we just paid him like he was

byrd imo, is an elite safety, and deserved to be paid like a top safety

I think TT's approach is that it is far less risky to overpay by a little for the guy that you know very, very well than it is to give the same money to a guy you know only from film. For what it's worth, Ron Wolf seems to agree with him, unless you are talking about a truly elite, team culture changing player who goes beyond just being a top player at his position:

The G.M. admits he was "stumbling around" just trying to figure out free agency. In time, he realized it was overrated, too. The risks outweighed reward.

"What we eventually came around to realizing was rather than run amok in free agency — now these are my words — is you better keep your own players and pay a little bit more for them," Wolf said, "because you know everything about them than to bring somebody new in that you don't know anything about. Through trail and error, that's more or less what we decided to do.

"That doesn't mean, however, that you don't lean in there."

He quickly adds that Charles Woodson, after Reggie White and Deion Sanders, is the best free-agent signing ever. Paying up paid off.

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[mraynrand]

i don't know about that

i'm thinking that if we had spent that 9 million on byrd and let shields walk, then our secondary overall would have been better

i'm glad shields is back, i do think he's a good player. just not an elite player, which is what we just paid him like he was

byrd imo, is an elite safety, and deserved to be paid like a top safety

elitist!