Finley getting 57th opinion on his neck today

[red]

You mean you wouldn't want to leave in Green Bay?

fuck off, i hate snow

[woodbuck27]

Who is talking about signing him now? When he was on the Packers he was good. Since he left the team, the position has been not good. Since he left, we have the #1 QB in terms of time on his ass. I'd have kept Wells.

Good > not good.

You nailed it.

[woodbuck27]

Not sure if someone should start a thread about Finley's 58th medical opinion, but it looks like he got what he didn't get the prior 57 times.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/29/agent-jermichael-finley-has-received-clearance-from-his-doctor/

Agent: Jermichael Finley has received clearance from his doctor

Posted by Mike Florio on May 29, 2014, 12:55 PM EDT

" Packers tight end Jermichael Finley finally has gotten some good news. But it doesn’t mean he’ll soon be joining a new team. Or rejoining his former team, the Packers."

PACKERS !

[Patler]

So by resigning Finley we missed out on two average centers who got overpaid. Sorry bro but TT was not spending that much money on those guys even if we didn't sign Finley. TT is one of the best in the league at handling cap space and we have more than enough room to resign Nelson and Cobb. Finley's contract did not set this team back in anyway.

Those were just examples of what maybe could have been done. Perhaps more importantly, with a bunch more cap space, Tt might have felt comfortable signing a F A. Sure, he COULD have anyway, but I really believe TT has a comfort level of space which he is willing to spend up to, but not over except when absolutely necessary. With Finley's dollars he might have signed that years version of Peppers or Woodson.

Wasted cap dollars is always wasted, and matters long term.

[pbmax]

I agree that cap management is a complete non issue as it has never, in the history of the NFL, ever caused the league to impose sanctions for exceeding it but...

Wells > Saturday
Wells > EDS
Wells > all other centers that have never taken a snap in the NFL.
Wells > Average

13 missed games makes it a dicey signing. EDS as backup isn't as good as EDS with starting experience.

[pbmax]

Just because someone stumbles and loses their way, it doesn't mean they're lost forever.

I agree. But the idea in the article that a change of location will solve issues seems very naive. Football hasn't fixed him yet. He needs something else.

[Joemailman]

I agree. But the idea in the article that a change of location will solve issues seems very naive. Football hasn't fixed him yet. He needs something else.

I agree. I think he's probably okay for now because he's involved with football. The real test will be next Jan/Feb when everybody goes their separate ways for 2-3 months.

[mraynrand]

Good > not good.

I won't argue this one with you.

[vince]

I agree Finley does not deserve big money this year; he's been hurt too much and has produced too little.

With that being said, he's still one of the most talented TE's in the NFL and I'll take him back for a year.

But if we do take him back.....can we do a round 3 repick ?

This of our glut. Ryan Taylor is a perfect last TE because he's an ok blocker who excels at special teams. Quarless is a fine backup who IMO can play. Bostik I think has some talent and then we've got out 3rd round draft pick Rodgers who IMO TT really reached for. Seems to be a high character guy who lacks speed and upside. We already have those. I really think TT was going with the ND Tight End in round two but he got nabbed right in front of us.
If he falls to us than we probably end up with Moncrief in round 3 and Wist would be in heaven

At this point we don't know whether Lyerla or Finley will be available and we knew even less on draft day in terms of whether Lyerla would be offered a UDFA contract by another team. What we did know at that point was that the top 5 TE's went quickly and Rodgers was likely TT's last value TE - the next one wasn't drafted until the 7th round so there was very likely a big drop on TT's board right at that spot. You say he's a reach but it's pretty clear the guy who makes all the money projecting football talent and has all the first-hand info likes the coach's son who has great hands and big YAC production.

So with all that we knew and didn't know, combined with what we still don't know, the selection of the TE at that point would appear to have been a prudent move. Now we'll have to see if Rodgers can play as TT projects or if the high-risk and reward gambles pay off (or are even signable yet) which then might make the Rodgers selection a prudent move for the team that ends up being mitigated by even greater talent coming to the fore. No matter how it turns out TT has made significant attempts to strengthen the TE position. We'll know a little bit more about if he's succeeded in a few months.

If he's successful, what does it matter if it's Finley, Leyerla, Rodgers or some combination. I sure am glad he didn't put all his eggs in either the Finley or Lyerla basket at this point. What a duo they could make but I'd applaud a draft-day buffer to help mitigate those pretty significant availability risks all day long even if the best case scenario were to come to fruition.

[Brandon494]

Wasted cap dollars is always wasted, and matters long term.

You keep saying that so I guess every player in the NFL who gets injured is wasted cap dollars. Guess Rodgers missing 7 games last season was wasted cap space too, we could have used that money to resign Crabtree.

[woodbuck27]

Those were just examples of what maybe could have been done. Perhaps more importantly, with a bunch more cap space, Tt might have felt comfortable signing a F A. Sure, he COULD have anyway, but I really believe TT has a comfort level of space which he is willing to spend up to, but not over except when absolutely necessary. With Finley's dollars he might have signed that years version of Peppers or Woodson.

Wasted cap dollars is always wasted, and matters long term.

If Jermichael Finley is ever declared ready to return as a Green Bay Packers by the teams doctor. As I view it as a fan:

It's wisdom for TT to offer him much less than the money he was paid in his last contract. Looking at his availability and production after the 2011 season (Jermichael Finley's career season). Should Ted Thompson return JerMichael Finley to the roster at a price tag in the order of $8 Million$ / season for whatever duration?

I say no way that should happen.

I hope that TT moves on past JerMichael Finley; that Mike McCarthy let's go in his mind of this TE.

Can I predict that this will be the case in the end? Do I see a flip side?

Mike McCarthy. MM seems to be "in love" with JerMichael Finley. If that's the case then that might influence Ted Thompson to extend JF and even overpay him in so doing.

This is an interesting watch. maybe one of the more interesting watch's of so many in this remaining exciting off season as we witness the 2014 Green Bay Packer roster evolve.

GO PACK GO !

[denverYooper]

You keep saying that so I guess every player in the NFL who gets injured is wasted cap dollars. Guess Rodgers missing 7 games last season was wasted cap space too, we could have used that money to resign Crabtree.

Rodgers has a history of production that merits the money spent on his services -- MVP, Superbowl MVP + ring, NFL record QBR.

Finley has ne'er but dwell'd in the formless mist knownst to his well-wishers as "potential"

[Patler]

You keep saying that so I guess every player in the NFL who gets injured is wasted cap dollars. Guess Rodgers missing 7 games last season was wasted cap space too, we could have used that money to resign Crabtree.

It will always happen with one player or another in a given year. The issue is not with respect to a specific year, as with Rodgers last year. The problem comes up with players who are frequently out or otherwise underperform over the term of a contract. For some it is because of injuries, others just don't perform up to the level of their pay. I think Finley falls into both categories. Injuries are a concern and inconsistency is, too. The Packers did not get adequate value from him for both reasons over the term of his last short contract.

Wasted dollars are wasted dollars, but sometimes it can't really be avoided. Nick Collins last contracted had a lot of wasted dollars, but signing the contract was still the right thing to do. I expect Rodgers will still give meaningful value for his contract, but if he were to sustain a career ending injury the contract was still the right thing to do, in spite of the cap waste that would result

I think there were warning signs about Finley, as as there were about Jennings and Matthews. Then there's Bulaga............

[Tony Oday]

Just release him.

[MadScientist]

Just release him.

They don't have to, his contract was completed and he is a FA. Hopefully if he actually does sign it will be elsewhere.