2014 Mockery of the Draft

[Brandon494]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000125585/Colin-Kaepernick-highlights

For you guys wanting to go offense with the 1st pick.

[Guiness]

Carr! *ducks* *looks at tomatoes* Hey, there was no call for that!

Looking at some big boards, I see Dennard, Roby and Fuller, Ware, Ealy, Nix and Jernigan, Shazier, Marqise Lee and Cooks. Su'a. And Carr.

edit: Dennard is gone, he was my first choice.

I vote for Louis Nix III, DT, Fighting Irish. He fills a need, Raji is on a 1yr contract and Pickett is unsigned. More importantly to TT, he would quite possibly be rated the BPA is the board fell this way.

We should have a second vote to see who thinks TT will draft someone that wasn't already picked, and that no one voted for. I'd take that option!

[Smidgeon]

Brandin Cooks.

Okay, dude, you can try to slap me now.

The more I read about Shazier, the less impressed I am. He seems like a slightly uggraded version of a healthy Brad Jones. Meh.

I didn't contribute to the mock draft, so I don't get a vote, but I'm with Fritz on this one. At least on the Shazier part. I'd want Ward instead of Cooks.

[mraynrand]

I understand that but do you think Hawk, Brad Jones, or any of the pieces of shit we have at safety are going to be better then Nelson and Cobb in 1-2 years from now? If so by all means go ahead and take a WR with the 1st pick. Rookie LBs can actually make impact their first season, out of the last 14 years the defensive rookie of the year has been a LB 11 times.

They might be able to get a good safety in the third; I really don't see a guy like Collins in the first, and it seems that's the guy they need. I think Richardson, Hyde, Hayward and Burnett can all play in the SS role if needed, but not so much at FS (although I'm certain the coaches like Burnett there). I like Shazier only because he may have the speed to fill up that dead zone between the line and the safeties in coverage of TEs and RBs. He will not be an every down LB. But, like I say, they may nab him and may be able to trade down to do it, then trade up again to get a WR they like near the top third of the 2nd.

I pretty much agree with you that the game changer WR or TE (Ebron) won't be there at 21. But if somehow he is, take him.

[Brandon494]

I would love to know what you guys have been reading about Shazier for you to compare him to Brad Jones.

[pbmax]

I would love to know what you guys have been reading about Shazier for you to compare him to Brad Jones.

They are just angry with nothing else to do. I am concerned with him being light in the pants. He plays like he is 222 in some of those highlights, not like Kuechly at 240.

Would love the have the athleticism, not sure he can play first down right now.

[Brandon494]

They might be able to get a good safety in the third; I really don't see a guy like Collins in the first, and it seems that's the guy they need. I think Richardson, Hyde, Hayward and Burnett can all play in the SS role if needed, but not so much at FS (although I'm certain the coaches like Burnett there). I like Shazier only because he may have the speed to fill up that dead zone between the line and the safeties in coverage of TEs and RBs. He will not be an every down LB. But, like I say, they may nab him and may be able to trade down to do it, then trade up again to get a WR they like near the top third of the 2nd.

I pretty much agree with you that the game changer WR or TE (Ebron) won't be there at 21. But if somehow he is, take him.

I pray we take a safety within the first two rounds and still hoping Pryor somehow drops to us, he would be my first choice then Shazier. In a perfect world we would take Pryor at #21 and then make a trade with the Pats trading our 2nd round and both 3rd round picks for their 1st and a 4th round pick then taking Shazier with that pick. Hey it could happen, last two times we traded with the Pats in the draft we ended up with Greg Jennings and Clay Matthews. With this draft being so deep though I'm not sure if that would be our best move but I sure would like our defense.


Would finally give Capers some play makers to work since the Super Bowl adding Peppers, Pryor and Shazier to last years defense....Kap is not out running this group.

CB Sheilds S Burnett S Pryor CB Williams
LB Peppers LB Hawk LB Shazier LB Clay
DL Jones DL Raji DL Daniels

[Brandon494]

They are just angry with nothing else to do. I am concerned with him being light in the pants. He plays like he is 222 in some of those highlights, not like Kuechly at 240.

Would love the have the athleticism, not sure he can play first down right now.

The weight would concern me if he didn't run a 4.3 at 237 pounds at his pro day. Whos knows if he'll be able to keep the weight up during the season but I'm willing to bet with a NFL weight training program he should have no problem, Clay Matthews was 240 when we drafted him and hes at 255 now. Crazy thing is both players were under 200 pounds their freshman year in college, Clay at 180 and Shazier at 190....I need to get to the gym.

[Guiness]

They are just angry with nothing else to do. I am concerned with him being light in the pants. He plays like he is 222 in some of those highlights, not like Kuechly at 240.

Would love the have the athleticism, not sure he can play first down right now.

Why do you compare him to Kuechly? He doesn't project to ILB at all, does he? I thought he was seen only as an OLB. Kuechly is pretty long and lean for an ILB though.

His unofficial 40 time is startling. If it's being taken seriously it vaults him up the draft boards to be sure. I think it would've make him the fastest LB by a pretty good margin, Mack ran a 4.59.

[Patler]

In a perfect world we would take Pryor at #21 and then make a trade with the Pats trading our 2nd round and both 3rd round picks for their 1st and a 4th round pick then taking Shazier with that pick. Hey it could happen, last two times we traded with the Pats in the draft we ended up with Greg Jennings and Clay Matthews.

It couldn't happen quite that way. The Packers only have 1 third round pick to trade. The comp pick can't be traded. The best they could offer is their 2nd (#53), 3rd (#85) and 4th (#121). It might take more than that to get back into the 1st,

[Brandon494]

It couldn't happen quite that way. The Packers only have 1 third round pick to trade. The comp pick can't be traded. The best they could offer is their 2nd (#53), 3rd (#85) and 4th (#121). It might take more than that to get back into the 1st,

True, I forgot you can't trade comp picks, I was just using the Clay trade as an example. Being that the Clay trade was the 21st pick and this year they have the 29th pick trading I doubt we would have to give up as much, your offer makes more sense but we would get a 5th or 6th round pick back in return instead of a 4th.

[Brandon494]

Why do you compare him to Kuechly? He doesn't project to ILB at all, does he? I thought he was seen only as an OLB. Kuechly is pretty long and lean for an ILB though.

His unofficial 40 time is startling. If it's being taken seriously it vaults him up the draft boards to be sure. I think it would've make him the fastest LB by a pretty good margin, Mack ran a 4.59.

Shazier wouldn't play OLB for us, hes projected to play OLB in a 4-3 and ILB in a 3-4. He was comparing him to Kueckly because they have similar weight at their combines. I've also heard some comparisons to Navorro Bowman who played OLB at Penn St before moving inside in the SF's 3-4 defense. Who knows if he'll be close to either one of those players but I like his game and I think hes only going to get better.

[Patler]

True, I forgot you can't trade comp picks, I was just using the Clay trade as an example. Being that the Clay trade was the 21st pick and this year they have the 29th pick trading I doubt we would have to give up as much, your offer makes more sense but we would get a 5th or 6th round pick back in return instead of a 4th.

Matthews was #26. To get him they gave up #41, #73 & #83 (from the Jets for Favre) and I think got a 5th back.
This year, having, at best #53, #85 and #121 doesn't get them back into the 1st round at all, I don't think.

That extra third for Favre was the key for pulling off that trade.

[Brandon494]

God damnit Patler can a brotha dream!!!!



You are right though it would be hard to move back into the 1st and with the draft being so deep I'd rather trade down to be honest.

[mraynrand]

I would love to know what you guys have been reading about Shazier for you to compare him to Brad Jones.

Shazier is much better than Brad Jones. See, I compared them!