Is Aaron Rodgers more of the problem than we might think?

[mraynrand]

Josh Walker:

[Patler]

Offensive Lineman love smack mouth run it down their throat football in general. They also have to be sick of seeing Adams drop balls

Surely this is all true. However seeing an o-lineman turn 180°, throw his arms up, and say "why did you do that? was pretty weird.....and very concerning.

Yup, especially when his QB is a two-time MVP widely considered to be one of the very best in the league. It is an indication of extreme frustration, and could be an example that AR does not have the leadership respect he may have had in the past.

[Patler]

- I think you have inverted your standard. You want him to get snaps at WR without earning it during practice so he can learn while doing like he did at gunner. This doesn't represent a change from practices of yore, it represents a change in how starters are selected. Young WRs face a big hurdle to get on the field (see either Jones or Nelson) regularly unless there are injuries. Game like hitting in 11 on 11 or ones versus ones haven't happened in practice since before Infante.

I'm not advocating that Janis start. You brought in the issue of starters with your question about Adams. I'm not advocating that he plays a lot. I am suggesting that they should be able to design ways to use him for limited number of plays in ways other than as a blocker. Not one of the players ahead of him is playing so well that he will be missed for a few plays.

It's not just game-like hitting in practice that has fallen by the wayside. The concept of "contact" has lowered, and contact practices have steadily decreased. Practice time has reduced to the point that it is now difficult to find time to use a non-starter with the starters, or even use the nonstarters much at all. Many coaches have complained about it.

[woodbuck27]

WHERE THERE IS FUEL THERE IS FIRE; PATLER IS ON TO SOMETHING
BIll Scott from GB today came out and noted he thought there was some team discention and noted no surprise if players only meeting is coming soon

A run was called; AROD audibled and threw is to "we all wish you were Allan Robinson" Brick Hands who dropped it. No secret Lang was not happy. Apparently Sitton has now made a comment as well.

There is some shit going on.

My get tells me Clement gave Rodgers infinite rein and now MM wants to take some back.

Any QB is in a pile of doo doo if he loses the respect of his OL.

I think it's time for Aaron Rodgers to take Em all out for a huge night..... gorging.

I know in Green Bay likely women is out but there's still wine (food) and song.

Seriously ...... the OL is hurting. It's not strong enough to fit Aaron Rodgers style of playing his position specifically in targeting the deep pass. So it's necessary for an offensive game plan to feature the run and short pass. We need to see more short yardage pass plays...the short slant and curl patterns.

We need to see some screen pass's.

We need to see Aaron Rodgers use his legs and make more runs.

We need for MM to design an offensive package that gives us some real chance of moving the ball.

We need to see Aaron Rodgers get rid of his on field smirking demeanor and act like the encouraging leader he's over paid to be.

Might this be simply an off year for Aaron Rodgers!? Of course.... but it's now about seeing him have the best chance to succeed. The above is just some idea of how that might happen.

GO PACK GO !

[Maxie the Taxi]

I'm not advocating that Janis start. You brought in the issue of starters with your question about Adams. I'm not advocating that he plays a lot. I am suggesting that they should be able to design ways to use him for limited number of plays in ways other than as a blocker. Not one of the players ahead of him is playing so well that he will be missed for a few plays.

It's not just game-like hitting in practice that has fallen by the wayside. The concept of "contact" has lowered, and contact practices have steadily decreased. Practice time has reduced to the point that it is now difficult to find time to use a non-starter with the starters, or even use the nonstarters much at all. Many coaches have complained about it.

Careful, Patler, or pbmax will change his signature.

Seriously, it's coaching philosophy. In my business I've often bypassed tradition and given an employee a chance to perform above his pay grade or training level, purely on my own assessment of his talents/potential. I've promoted green newcomers over experienced vets and it's usually worked out.

If Janis has good intangibles, if he's the type that is sincere, can learn from experience and really wants the challenge, I'd give him a chance to perform under the lights.

[mraynrand]

I think it's time for Aaron Rodgers to take Em all out for a huge night..... gorging.

great idea. Just what the O-line needs: to get fatter and slower.

[Smidgeon]

Teams have figured out our offense for the past few years - some w/ the personnel to make it work. If you can't beat man blitzes - it's gonna be a long night. When you rely on pass penalties because your wrs are getting knocked around - it's gonna be a long night.

I think in order -

1. Lacy and inconsistent running game
2. Inability to get open through athleticism or scheme
3. Rodgers holding ball too long
4. Injuries

I'm nervous that we'll go 0-3 vs division at home and 3-0 on the road... And any decent team can beat the pack in the playoffs. A oat year unless a lot changes.

Earlier in the year, I was pushing

1. Lacy
2. Oline injuries

But your comment on the blitzes made me think: Cobb is probably the only WR with enough experience to consistently adjust his routes on blitzes to find an immediate soft spot. Jones isn't quick enough. The rest are inexperienced. And since Cobb is bracketed, he isn't really a hot read option. Leaving....no one. And lots of pressure and a negative play.

[Smidgeon]

I'm not advocating that Janis start. You brought in the issue of starters with your question about Adams. I'm not advocating that he plays a lot. I am suggesting that they should be able to design ways to use him for limited number of plays in ways other than as a blocker. Not one of the players ahead of him is playing so well that he will be missed for a few plays.

It's not just game-like hitting in practice that has fallen by the wayside. The concept of "contact" has lowered, and contact practices have steadily decreased. Practice time has reduced to the point that it is now difficult to find time to use a non-starter with the starters, or even use the nonstarters much at all. Many coaches have complained about it.

Maybe I am misremembering, but the year Nelson and Jones were vying for the #3 spot, wasn't Jordy often the sole WR in on running plays? The same role that Janis seems to have now? The one with the speed that adds the threat of the deep play (even if it is rarely realized). Makes me wonder if that's intentional, putting him on a similar trajectory (in regards to playing time not necessarily production) or if my recollection is really just faulty on that particular memory.

[beveaux1]

Maybe I am misremembering, but the year Nelson and Jones were vying for the #3 spot, wasn't Jordy often the sole WR in on running plays? The same role that Janis seems to have now? The one with the speed that adds the threat of the deep play (even if it is rarely realized). Makes me wonder if that's intentional, putting him on a similar trajectory (in regards to playing time not necessarily production) or if my recollection is really just faulty on that particular memory.

I don't believe you're misremembering, but I thought the reason was that Nelson was the best blocking WR.

[pbmax]

Earlier in the year, I was pushing

1. Lacy
2. Oline injuries

But your comment on the blitzes made me think: Cobb is probably the only WR with enough experience to consistently adjust his routes on blitzes to find an immediate soft spot. Jones isn't quick enough. The rest are inexperienced. And since Cobb is bracketed, he isn't really a hot read option. Leaving....no one. And lots of pressure and a negative play.

That's a fair point. While mostly we have been talking about the disintegration of the passing game, Lacy and the O line have lost the thread on the running game. And then Starks began to fumble.

At this point, if the Packers found a receiver who could beat man coverage and catch the ball, producing first downs on a regular basis, I would fear for his life because nothing lasts in this offense this year.

[pbmax]

Lang is tired of banging his head on passing their way out of the Offensive problem. Its simply frustration.

Now, if M3 told Rodgers to stop running run-pass option and he audible to that play himself, then you might have something. But of course, we don't have any evidence that is what happened.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Lang is tired of banging his head on passing their way out of the Offensive problem. Its simply frustration.

Now, if M3 told Rodgers to stop running run-pass option and he audible to that play himself, then you might have something. But of course, we don't have any evidence that is what happened.

I think Arod's thought process went something like this:

[denverYooper]

Maybe I am misremembering, but the year Nelson and Jones were vying for the #3 spot, wasn't Jordy often the sole WR in on running plays? The same role that Janis seems to have now? The one with the speed that adds the threat of the deep play (even if it is rarely realized). Makes me wonder if that's intentional, putting him on a similar trajectory (in regards to playing time not necessarily production) or if my recollection is really just faulty on that particular memory.

I was thinking about this too, but Jordy got more snaps in general.

Still, Jordy didn't truly break out until the end of year #2. When he grabbed that bomb at the beginning of the Giants game at the end of 2010 is when he really started to climb. Then his Superbowl performance launched him to a much more prominent role.

I still think Janis has a future in the offense. It's just going to take at least another year. I predict he has at least one more flash play on offense this year, but I wouldn't count on regular production from him.

[gbgary]

it boils down to the o-line for me. it affects the run so the rbs aren't as productive, it affects the qb as he has less time. couple that with press/bump-and-run coverage and you have the disaster we're forced to endure every week. Rodgers' unwillingness to force a pass into tight coverage exacerbates the issues. we need two stud o-linemen in the draft.

[MadtownPacker]

Maybe this has something to do with it...

https://www.yahoo.com/tv/aaron-rodgers-almost-scores-a-date-when-posing-as-054055162.html