Is Aaron Rodgers more of the problem than we might think?

[Pugger]

So is the coach killer actually gonna play this week? He says he is, but what's the upside?

Coach killer? Nonsense. Stubby found a way to get canned all by himself.

One good thing about AR playing this week is he'll have more opportunities to work with the young WRs at game speed. If the game gets out of hand one way or another we can put Kizer in and get him some work in too.

[mraynrand]

Coach killer? Nonsense. Stubby found a way to get canned all by himself.

I disagree only on the point that Stubbers had help getting canned. His ouster was engineered. To me, the only mystery (even though people have floated ideas) is why they signed him to an extension. Like Sherman in 2005, they should have just fired him along with Ted Thompson. It's OK to fire people if you're ready to head in a new direction.

[Bossman641]

I don't buy the argument of getting more reps with the young wrs. Get together on your own time in the offseason for that. Losing is more important at this time.

[call_me_ishmael]

I don't buy the argument of getting more reps with the young wrs. Get together on your own time in the offseason for that. Losing is more important at this time.

Losing AND keeping the highest paid player in the NFL healthy for next year.

[Bossman641]

Double post

[pbmax]

The first part is so stupid. ARod and MM worked together for 11 years. More than any qb/coach in this era except Rapelessberger and Brady. You could argue ARod’s play may have saved MM from the hot seat numerous years.

Just R-E-L-A-X.

A coach with a faltering offense, terrible special teams and regularly pathetic but occasionally average D?

Nope. All the QB's fault.

[pbmax]

I disagree only on the point that Stubbers had help getting canned. His ouster was engineered. To me, the only mystery (even though people have floated ideas) is why they signed him to an extension. Like Sherman in 2005, they should have just fired him along with Ted Thompson. It's OK to fire people if you're ready to head in a new direction.

That covers the last year.

Do believe he engineered his own ouster before that?

[mraynrand]

That covers the last year.

Do believe he engineered his own ouster before that?

I think Stubby's responsible for his own demise, but they shoulda canned him last year. I think they engineered his ouster this year. It's easier to fire a guy who loses two years in a row. But in fairness to Stubby, he had help getting canned from TT handing him a lot of marginal talent. Oh well, that's water under the bridge. Here's hoping we have good GM personnel to draft/bring in great talent and find another great coach.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

That covers the last year.

Do believe he engineered his own ouster before that?

Yes. NFC Title game @ the Seafags. In 3rd quarter, ran 3 straight times out of GOALLINE formation in his OWN territory! Should’ve just punted on 1st down.

Plus, McDummy’s lack of accountability came back to bite the Packers in their rear ends in the clutch in that game. See Bostick.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

Rodgers is an OCD asshole with a huge complex about himself having to be the smartest football player on the field. How can any of his receivers be on the same page as this guy? He has always been a stat driven guy and will protect his stats at all cost. He wants to throw touchdowns in the redzone because it makes his stats better. He only throws to wide open receivers because he refuses to risk throwing an interception, and god forbid if he does throw a pick he makes it known with body language that is was not his fault that it was the receivers fault.

Good post. But what the fuck is OCD?

[pbmax]

I think Stubby's responsible for his own demise, but they shoulda canned him last year. I think they engineered his ouster this year. It's easier to fire a guy who loses two years in a row. But in fairness to Stubby, he had help getting canned from TT handing him a lot of marginal talent. Oh well, that's water under the bridge. Here's hoping we have good GM personnel to draft/bring in great talent and find another great coach.

Agreed.

Talent drain aside, I think there was more to wring out of the defenses than Capers did. I really believe in the idea that it was a terrible mismatch between front office and coordinator. A good question would be was the talent drain on the defensive side unusual for a winning team or about the same as other good teams? I bet it was about the same PLUS some regrettable decisions in hindsight to let people go.

Not to mention whatever miracle cure Shields found in CA for his migraines. Why you aren't taking that seriously in GB is beyond me. Not to say its legit or will actually mitigate damage, but seems interesting in the least.

And McCarthy never insisted on developing a way to solve the issue. Peppers was the only thing that helped. I am not talking about a dominating defense. Just an average one. Though I am not sure that was possible in pass D in 2016.

His offense was stalling and he and the QB had reached the end of their rope. QB wasn't helping as much as he could.

And special teams had no excuse left.

By the end, despite everyone being competent, it was a house of cards.

[RashanGary]

I see Rodgers developing into a stubborn primadonna. Favre got to the point where he wouldn’t do offseason work, then expected everyone to cater to him because he was the great Favre. Rodgers won’t be coached now because he’s the great Rodgers and why should he!?

Ugh!! Here we go again!

[Radagast]

Is Rodgers not attending OTAs? Is the Rodgers/LaFleur controversy real or is the media making this all up to get ratings/sell papers/etc.? All too often a negative story gets more attention than the truth. Also if the story is not true and no one steps up to say any different, then the untruth gets believed more.

I don't believe any trouble exist between GB's QB and GB's HC. If Rodgers has been absent, then all have accepted it. I don't however believe that he will miss any time at TC this season. Sometimes we just don't get the inside story about what has/is happening.

Now, if any of you know the whole truth, please inform me and any others that may have missed out on the story. Is there a story or is the media manufacturing a story?

[texaspackerbacker]

Radagast, I'm getting to like you. Good job of countering the latest round of media trouble stirred up about our GOAT QB.

[theeaterofshades]

This is all a nothing burger. LaFleur has said he needs to come up with an audible option. The offense was designed as being specific with alignments, personnel, formations, motions, etc. Prior to this, they have had journeymen/young QBs in this system. Definitely no-one the callibur of Aaron in the driver's seat. It is still early in the team learning the offense. They are wanting to keep it straight forward as written now to evaluate players and plays. Improvising will come later.