Official Day 2 (Rounds 2&3) Of The 2018 NFL Draft Thread

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I thought you disappeared...tried to pick up the Round 2 Picks with zero preparation hahahaha.

It wasn't any fun.

You can post the scouting reports for teh third round, I gotta go soon.

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Washington, Derris Guice, RB, LSU


Analysis

STRENGTHS
Extremely hungry runner with a bull in a china shop style, making him tough to square up. Electric feet to blur defenders with his plant, cut and go movements. Quick to scan, keeping his reads and feet connected. Runs with low pads and conviction. Able to shift into another gear once he finds the open field (set the LSU record for longest run with a 96-yard play in 2016). Much stronger than he looks due to his core strength, throwing stiff arms and wiggling out of tackle attempts. Invites contact and lowers his pads to fight for every inch. Always keep his legs churning. Uses same snap quickness at the top of routes, creating passing windows on screens and outs. Improved awareness in pass protection to handle chips and lower his pads to cut defenders. Only five career fumbles. Averaged 21.7 yards as a kickoff returner (33/695/0). Intense competitor on the field, but also in the weight room. Moved around the offensive formation and often lined up wide, taking jet sweeps and giving the defense various looks. Consistent production with 3,000+ career rushing yards the last three seasons. -- Dane Brugler 12/20/2017

WEAKNESSES
Not a small player, but doesn't have a prototypical NFL build for the position. Over-eagerness leads to inconsistent run tempo. Not a clean runner through congestion, making too much contact with his blockers. Needs to better set up his second-level moves. Always looking for the home run play, getting himself in trouble. Well-liked and motivated individual, but background needs further investigation his older brother (Derrick) has been arrested multiple times and pleaded guilty to aggravated assault with a firearm (May 2017) for his role in a drive-by shooting. Medical reports could influence draft grade suffered a knee injury during preseason camp (Aug. 2017), which plagued him throughout his junior season. -- Dane Brugler 12/20/2017

IN OUR VIEW: Guice has the natural competitive nature and athletic profile that no one in the NFL wants to see in their division. His angry run style leads to durability questions, but he is tougher than tough and projects as a NFL starter with Pro Bowl potential if he stays healthy.

COMPARES TO: Earl Campbell, Houston Oilers. While on the surface they don't appear to be similar due to their body types, Campbell and Guice run with similar violence and power that makes them a chore to finish for defenders. They both have the athleticism to create big plays once they break tackles or clear the first wave.

IN OUR VIEW: Overall, Guice has the natural competitive nature and athletic profile that no one in the NFL wants to see in their division. He needs to find a productive balance between his warrior temperament and self-preservation to stay on the field, but his skill-set projects as a NFL starter with Pro Bowl potential.

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Steelers, James Washington, WR Oklahoma St.
Another ex-Raven presenter

STRENGTHS
Fantastic finishing skills. Strong hands, wrists and forearms to pluck and win in contested situations – no movement by the ball once it hits his hands. Consistently catches outside his frame. Above average hand-eye coordination and tracking skills to adjust to the ball in flight. Straight-line speed to get behind the defense, averaging 19.7 yards per catch in his career.

Composed along the sideline and has mastered the vertical pattern. Physically strapped together with a thick trunk and strong limbs. Leaping skills to highpoint and secure. Looks like a running back after the catch, running physical and using a powerful stiff arm to bounce off tackle attempts. Reserved, unassuming personality with an instilled work ethic from his parents – considers his mom and dad his two biggest role models. Two-year team captain. Elite production with more receiving yards the last three seasons than any other college player over that time. Didn’t miss a game the last four seasons. – Dane Brugler 12/12/2017

WEAKNESSES
Rudimentary route runner. Tends to drift into his breaks instead of squaring in/out breaking patterns. Needs to sharpen his releases and stem footwork. Undeveloped route tempo and needs to better use various gears to set up defensive backs.
Untested vs. press coverage and lacks jam experience. Only average height and length for the position. Durable career, but missed most of the second half of the Bedlam game due to an ankle injury (Nov. 2017). Offensive system at Oklahoma State helped inflate his production. Minimal special teams experience and wasn’t used as a regular return man. – Dane Brugler 12/12/17

IN OUR VIEW: Although he needs to develop better nuance as a route runner and NFL press coverage will be a new challenge, Washington has the football character and ball skills to contribute early in his NFL career with the ceiling of a solid No. 2 receiving option.

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Finally Derrius Guise LSU FRB and what did they get suddenly on this Guy.

Attitude !?

I had him at about NO. 15 and certainly as a Round 1 Pick.

Some people said he's nearly as solid as Saquon Barkley. He had nearly the TOP Grade at the beginning of Round 2.

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i like the jackson pick. hope he beats out williams.

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Joshua Jackson was a great value. The Packers saw a glaring weakness that needed to be fixed. I am glad Goot decided to get rid of the Thompson mistakes a couple of years ago and fix the issue his way. He pretty much got two 1st round talents.

If King can stay health he will play one outside spot, and if Jackson is ready day one he will start at the outside spot. Alexander will start as the nickel, and Williams will play in the dime package. In with the new out with the old.

Packers should do their best to move up to the third round. I know everyone is panicking about receiver and pass rusher, but the Packers still have 23 million invested in pass rushers in Matthews and Perry. Offensive line can be added in later rounds and receiver should be a consideration with the Packers next pick.

Also Mark Brunnell should stop trying so hard to be Brett Favre.

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Jaguars, DJ Chark, WR, LSU
Bruneil just lost money on an LCD investment

STRENGTHS
Offers a tantalizing combination of height and straight-line speed. Possesses an athletic, well-distributed build with long limbs and very strong hands. Rarely pressed at the line of scrimmage out of respect for his speed but shows a good hesitation move and strong, active hands to gain a quick release. Wasn't asked to run a full route tree in this offense but is surprisingly polished as a route-runner, exploding out of his cuts to create easy separation. Generally reliable hands with the ability to pluck outside of his frame as well as corral over his shoulder.

Long arms, flexibility and excellent hand strength to give quarterbacks a huge catch radius. Impressive hand-eye coordination, body control and awareness of the sideline, showing the ability to make late adjustments to deflected passes (see Mississippi State, 2016) and drag both feet to make catches in bounds. Good vision and agility once the ball is in his hands, setting up his blocks well and showing no hesitation to cut through congestion. Physical and competitive, fighting for extra yardage and aggressively pursuing defenders (and looking for others to hit) when blocking for teammates. Voted a team captain in 2017. - Rob Rang 12/21/2017

WEAKNESSES
Does not always look natural catching the ball with too many "easy" drops on tape (see Mississippi State, 2016). Occasionally jumps needlessly as the ball approaches or fails to use proper hand technique, attempting to secure the ball more with his forearms (like a running back taking a handoff) than "creating the spade" with his thumbs and forefingers touching. Does not consistently show the same aggression when fighting for 50-50 balls that he does as a downfield blocker, failing to snare passes at their highest point and too often wilting to contact. Though often put in motion, was rarely asked to run routes over the middle and will likely take some time to adjust if asked to do this in the NFL. - Rob Rang 12/21/2017

COMPARES TO
Torrey Smith, Philadelphia Eagles - Chark has a taller, leaner frame than the 6-1, 205 pound Smith but his value as a premier deep threat remains the same. Like Smith, Chark will enter the NFL needing development in some of the finer points of the position but his size, raw athleticism and experience against elite competition suggest that he could develop into a formidable weapon on the perimeter and return game.

IN OUR VIEW:In terms of the size-speed-strength factor that most scouts value over statistics, Chark is the most intriguing senior receiver in the 2018 NFL draft. As his meager career totals suggest, Chark lacks polish but he offers immediate big play potential as a perimeter receiver and punt returner with the athletic upside to develop into a longtime starter.

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Finally Derrius Guise LSU FRB and what did they get suddenly on this Guy.

Attitude !?

I had him at about NO. 15 and certainly as a Round 1 Pick.

Some people said he's nearly as solid as Saquon Barkley. He had nearly the TOP Grade at the beginning of Round 2.

NFL network said that he had attitude problem when teams brought him in. He showed up late and missed flights.

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Vikings, Brian O'Neil, OL, Pittsburgh

STRENGTHS
NFL-level athleticism. Balanced pass-sets with flexible hips. Controlled, agile feet to stay between rusher and quarterback in space. Will make mistakes, but body control and short-area movements allow him to quickly recover. Easy puller and seals outside run lanes. Quick to punch-and-climb, taking out second-level defenders. Runs edge rushers wide of the pocket. Uses his body to leverage run lanes. Eager, stubborn hands, latching and undressing defenders. Drives his legs to uproot defenders as a run blocker. Graduated with a degree in finance (Dec. 2017). Added 75+ pounds since high school and dedicated himself to packing on the pounds. Athletic bloodlines – father (Brendan) was a running back at Dartmouth and his mother (Elizabeth) was a swimmer collegiately. Durable and started 37 straight games to finish his career with experience at both left and right tackle. – Dane Brugler 1/10/2018

WEAKNESSES
Only three years of experience as an offensive lineman. Play strength needs continued development. Only average length and frame appears maxed out. Technique is a work-in-progress, displaying several bad habits like ducking his head and lunging. Pads and hips tend to rise off the snap. Wide hands, allowing rushers to get inside his frame and bully him backwards. Needs to do a better job locking out and sitting in his stance to maintain spacing. Inconsistent body angles in pass pro. Doesn’t always match the power or nasty of defensive linemen. – Dane Brugler 1/10/2018

COMPARES TO: Lane Johnson, Philadelphia Eagles – O’Neill doesn’t quite have the same athleticism or frame that made Johnson a top-five pick in the 2013 NFL Draft, but he isn’t far off and has taken a similar path, making the switch to offensive tackle after high school.

IN OUR VIEW: O’Neill needs to continue and improve his mechanics and play strength to reach his potential, but his balanced athleticism and body rhythm are a great place to start, allowing him to neutralize different types of rushers off the edge. With only three years of experience at tackle, he still has plenty of room to improve, projecting as a future NFL starter.

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Minnesota is having a great draft

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Tampa Bay, Carlton Davis, CB, Auburn

STRENGTHS
Davis possesses the long, athletic frame scouts crave in an outside cornerback, including terrific height, broad shoulders, long arms, loose hips and light feet. He uses his long arms and strong hands to deliver a forceful initial jam of receivers at the line of scrimmage, disrupting their release and the timing with the quarterback. Davis possesses the fluid hips to turn and run with receivers, using his size and physical nature to rub them closer to the sideline, providing little room for quarterbacks to squeeze the ball. Davis? long arms and good hand-eye coordination allow him to snake his hand in as the ball arrives, ripping the ball free at the last second. Davis is an alert, physical defender who recognizes and attacks quick screens and runs to his direction, fighting his way through blocks to get involved. He does not hesitate in lowering his shoulder and delivering a strike to ball-carriers, exploding through his hips to create impressive force as a tackler for his position. Davis does not rely upon colliding power, however, using his long arms to lasso ball-carriers attempting to run past him. Durable performer with just one game missed over 38 career games, including 32 starts over the past three seasons. ? Rob Rang 12/18/2017

WEAKNESSES
A bit quick to open up his hips, too often allowing receivers an inside release. Possesses a high-cut build and his long legs leave him vulnerable to ultra-shifty smaller receivers, likely limiting Davis to the perimeter or boundary cornerback positions and not inside at nickel... Could do a better job of getting involved in run support rather than just focusing on his primary responsibility, averaging just nine assisted tackles over the regular season from 2016-17? Does not possess ideal hands for the interception, recording ?just? four picks of 29 passes defensed over 38 career games (not including the 2017 Peach Bowl). Davis' one interception in 2017 came on a tipped pass (Missouri). Comes with some character red-flags as he (and three other Auburn players) were arrested and charged with misdemeanor drug charges involving marijuana in May, 2016? Caught on camera flipping off the Texas A&M players/crowd (2017) after getting called for pass interference -- Rob Rang 12/18/2017

COMPARES TO: Hall of Famer Mel Blount, Steelers. Though he has a long way to go as a pass-catcher to ever evoke comparisons to Blount as a ball-hawk, Like the imposing 6-3, 205 pound Steelers? great, Davis has the size, speed and physical nature which make him a tough draw for any receiver and a potential headache waiting to happen for other ball-carriers running in his direction.

IN OUR VIEW: Long and athletic, Davis is at his best up close in man to man coverage, showing the aggressive hands to latch onto receivers and disrupt their timing, as well as the smooth hip turn, acceleration and quick throttle-down to blanket in coverage. These cover skills, along with a penchant for big hits and reliable open-field tackling likely will result in a first round selection.

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ALL there at the Start of ROUND 3

Justin Reid
STANFORD
- S - Junior 6.06

Maurice Hurst
MICHIGAN
- DT - Senior 5.94

Rasheem Green
USC
- DE - Junior 5.88

Tim Settle
VIRGINIA TECH
- DT - r-Junior 5.86

Deon Cain
CLEMSON
- WR - Junior 5.86

Lorenzo Carter
GEORGIA
- EDGE - Senior 5.85

Tarvarius Moore
SOUTHERN MISS
- S - Senior 5.83

Harrison Phillips
STANFORD
- DT - Senior 5.83

Ronnie Harrison
ALABAMA
- S - Junior 5.82

Ian Thomas
INDIANA
- TE - Senior 5.82

Sam Hubbard
OHIO ST.
- DE - Junior 5.82

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Colts from Browns, Tyquan Lewis, DE, Ohio State

STRENGTHS
Filled-out frame with a broad chest and thick trunk. Drops his hips, extends his reach and bullies blockers. Technically sound hands to work off contact. Flashes power in his upper body to press blockers from his rush lane. Shuts down creases in the run game with initial momentum. Makes his target feel it when he arrives, forcing five fumbles the last two seasons. Student of the game and works hard to hone his craft. Graduated with a degree in sociology (Dec. 2016). Two-year team captain with top-notch intangibles and toughness that will earn him points with NFL coaches. Steady production as a three-year starter, finishing top-five all-time in Ohio State history with 23.5 sacks. Experienced lining up all over the defensive line. – Dane Brugler 1/21/2018

WEAKNESSES
Tightly-wound with average-at-best flexibility. Lacks twitchy burst or bend to make sharp turns around the corner. Charges at blockers without a coordinated rush plan. Labors in pursuit. Too content ending up where the blocker wants. Late to leverage the point of attack. Slow to see plays develop and routinely loses outside contain. Inconsistent finisher once he reaches the backfield. Tackle and sack production declined since his sophomore season. – Dane Brugler 1/21/2018

COMPARES TO: Adrian Clayborn, Atlanta Falcons – Lewis doesn’t have the same NFL ceiling as Clayborn, but he has the well-rounded skill-set and toughness that mirrors the veteran defensive end.

IN OUR VIEW: Lewis isn’t a dynamic rush threat, which lowers his ceiling as a NFL player, but he competes with the technique, toughness and character to play in the NFL for a long time.

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All there at the start of ROUND 3.

Martinas Rankin
MISSISSIPPI ST.
- C - Senior 5.76

Joseph Noteboom
TCU
- OT - Senior 5.75

Orlando Brown
OKLAHOMA
- OT - r-Junior 5.74

Mark Andrews
OKLAHOMA
- TE - r-Junior 5.74

Derrick Nnadi
FLORIDA ST.
- DT - Senior 5.74

Will Richardson
N.C. STATE
- OT - r-Junior 5.73

Da'shawn Hand
ALABAMA
- DE - Senior 5.73

Kyzir White
WEST VIRGINIA
- S - - 5.73

[Deputy Nutz]

Well Chris Canty just messed up Lorenzo Carter's college, he was just on a youtube show about smoking weed in the nfl.