Is Aaron Rodgers even good anymore?

[pbmax]

Are you a lunatic? Get a real coach!

This is a new one:

McCarthy, on the other hand, seemed to be more and more checked out, leading many to sympathize with Rodgers.

The sight was strange at first.

About once a week, a meeting would start up and McCarthy was MIA. Players weren't quite sure where he was while, for example, an assistant coach would run the team's final prep on the Saturday before a game. Eventually, word leaked that McCarthy, the one calling plays on game day, was up in his office getting a massage during those meetings.

[mraynrand]

QFT:

"You start arguing. You start losing. When the money's bad, you argue," says DuJuan Harris, a Packers running back from 2012 through 2014. "You start hating how somebody breathes. You start hating how somebody chews their food."

[gbgary]

no one comes out of this article unscathed. colin cowherd calls it a hatch-job on mccarthy but it's just as critical of rodgers...and others. it sure makes my suspicions increase about rodgers openness to be coached, to change, as he must.

[mraynrand]

That article had speculation about rings. I think 3 rings were left on the table: 2007,2011, 2014. 7 and 11 are interesting because the Packers lost to the same team that beat NE twice, including a team than many thought was the best NFL team ever. As I said after 2014, some losses are unrecoverable. You can't get past a loss like that without the organization blowing up. It took longer than it should have, but it eventually happened. I don't think any other Stubby teams were championship caliber. Maybe 2009, but they would have had to win at NO and at MN to get to the Super Bowl.

Article does confirm I think the worst suspicions about Thompson. (Edit: and I think the dynasty part is on Thompson. Even if the Packers win one of 2007 or 11 and 2014, that's just 3 SBs and maybe only two for Rodgers. The fact that the personnel got so bad, and there were so many draft mistakes, when that's your bread and butter, is all on TT. And you have to have continual good players and a few ringers for a dynasty. TT didn't get that done.)

[gbgary]

That article had speculation about rings. I think 3 rings were left on the table: 2007,2011, 2014. 7 and 11 are interesting because the Packers lost to the same team that beat NE twice, including a team than many thought was the best NFL team ever. As I said after 2014, some losses are unrecoverable. You can't get past a loss like that without the organization blowing up. It took longer than it should have, but it eventually happened. I don't think any other Stubby teams were championship caliber. Maybe 2009, but they would have had to win at NO and at MN to get to the Super Bowl.

Article does confirm I think the worst suspicions about Thompson.

and knowing that, you have to think there could have been more rings had he not let so much leadership and talent go.

[mraynrand]

and knowing that, you have to think there could have been more rings had he not let so much leadership and talent go.

I don't think it's about letting guys go, it's about not replenishing, especially on defense O-line, TE.

[mraynrand]

This article is #8 worldwide twitter trend...

[gbgary]

I don't think it's about letting guys go, it's about not replenishing, especially on defense O-line, TE.

i'm talking about how the article claims TT gutted the leadership from the team. woodson, sitton, etc., for young guys. there was no one to take their place in that respect. it left a void because mccarthy and rodgers aren't it.

[gbgary]

Its very much a rehash of all the stuff we have heard before and very little new.

The close friend/teammate who reports that Rodgers thought McCarthy had a low football IQ is new, but not much else is.

i disagree. there's a lot in here. jennings was even blown away by the article.

[texaspackerbacker]

Just seeing the title of this thread again pisses me off. Only an IDIOT would think Aaron Rodgers is a problem for the Green Bay Packers!

[mraynrand]

Just seeing the title of this thread again pisses me off. Only an IDIOT would think Aaron Rodgers is a problem for the Green Bay Packers!

Convincing argument.

[mraynrand]

i'm talking about how the article claims TT gutted the leadership from the team. woodson, sitton, etc., for young guys. there was no one to take their place in that respect. it left a void because mccarthy and rodgers aren't it.

Right. But you can’t just keep old guys around to be leaders. You need to use draft or FA to develop/bring in new leaders.

[gbgary]

Right. But you can’t just keep old guys around to be leaders. You need to use draft or FA to develop/bring in new leaders.

of course.

[Fritz]

That article had speculation about rings. I think 3 rings were left on the table: 2007,2011, 2014. 7 and 11 are interesting because the Packers lost to the same team that beat NE twice, including a team than many thought was the best NFL team ever. As I said after 2014, some losses are unrecoverable. You can't get past a loss like that without the organization blowing up. It took longer than it should have, but it eventually happened. I don't think any other Stubby teams were championship caliber. Maybe 2009, but they would have had to win at NO and at MN to get to the Super Bowl.

Article does confirm I think the worst suspicions about Thompson. (Edit: and I think the dynasty part is on Thompson. Even if the Packers win one of 2007 or 11 and 2014, that's just 3 SBs and maybe only two for Rodgers. The fact that the personnel got so bad, and there were so many draft mistakes, when that's your bread and butter, is all on TT. And you have to have continual good players and a few ringers for a dynasty. TT didn't get that done.)

It does appear that Thompson was slipping before we all saw it - I did not know he was actually falling asleep during meetings. To some degree, he is at fault, but he's also human for not seeing or not wanting to see that he was ailing.

On the other hand, it is Murphy's very job to keep an eye on the ship and particularly the ship's officers and crew. If it became evident that Thompson's health and thus job performance were slipping, why did he wait so long to jettison him?

It appears that loss to Seattle had a larger and longer-term effect than I, at least, hoped or thought it would. It looks now like that loss gutted that team. At the time, I thought that it might propel MM to make some much-needed changes and get this team back on track. But that never did happen, not really, because the problems were bigger than one muffed on-side kick. Getting to the NFC Championship game against Atlanta seems almost like a mirage at this point - that was all smoke-and-mirrors. I would say in that case Tex was right: it was all Rodgers.

Good article. Everybody's to blame. Which is generally how life is.

[pbmax]

I don't think it's about letting guys go, it's about not replenishing, especially on defense O-line, TE.

I think the article has some good quotes about how it felt to be a defensive player for the team. Don’t know if it would have made a difference but it couldn’t have helped.