Is Aaron Rodgers even good anymore?

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i'm talking about how the article claims TT gutted the leadership from the team. woodson, sitton, etc., for young guys. there was no one to take their place in that respect. it left a void because mccarthy and rodgers aren't it.

I do think they made mistakes in retention plans. But I am not sure leadership is the quality they missed.

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I do think try made mistakes in retention plans. But I am not sure leadership is the quality they missed.

Woodson and Sitton were around for the quitting of the team in 2013 described in the article by a defensive player. So it’s a not a cure all.

In fact, we have seen those quotes about that season before. Little googling might reveal who it is. Might even have been Dunne’s article.

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Greg Jennings is just loving life right now. He gets to rip on the Packers and everyone loves to hear it.

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Greg Jennings is just loving life right now. He gets to rip on the Packers and everyone loves to hear it.

This is the first complaint of Jennings that I understand on a fundamental, emotional level. Joking that the other guys should sign him was a bad move when that contract year was in his head already.

The quotes above that story, which also sound like Jennings or Finley, about Rodgers not talking to McCarthy about anything (except maybe 1 or 2 times) is more the speed of elucidation I expect from these two. Its funny how coach and QB never talked about the offense while meeting weekly but Rodgers was ceded more control AND got his scripted plays into the game plan midseason 2018.

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Based on the chip on the shoulder theory, Rodgers might try to win 2 MVPs this year.

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The other disturbing thing about this article is that it is another argument that basically red has been right for about 7 years.

Damn.

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I think this is like therapy for Finley. His own.

Adds Finley: "A-Rod wants his. He wants to eat. He cares about his yards, his completions. He's going to have a hard time. ... That's like an addict. You tell an addict to change his ways when he's been stuck in his ways so long. I think it's going to be very tough. I thought he'd be able to grow out of it, but, s--t, you give a guy more money, there's more attitude, more diva-ness..."

His voice trails off.

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As one player put it, Thompson assumed the Packers system was automatic and he could just plug cheap rookies in.

In the process, the Packers lost the leaders that Rodgers and McCarthy never were, never would be, and they never found replacements.

Gone were gnarly, take-no-prisoners guards Josh Sitton (a Packer from 2008 to 2015) and T.J. Lang (2009-2016).

Seriously, this is just dumb. EVERY team dumped vets for younger players in the new CBA (post 2011). It has been all over the news. The Packers signed both of these guys to second contracts for big money. And Sitton and Lang were there for the bone-headedness. If their leadership was supposed to be the difference, then they should have been let go earlier.

One was replaced well, the other less so. But that is not the point the article is trying to make.

I hope Ty doesn't get into any arguments with other Packer beat writers over the Bostick dig. Dunne and the other beat guys will fall over themselves praising Bostick as a standup guy for granting post game interviews after his play in Seattle.

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Gone were defensive tackle Ryan Pickett (2006-2013) and defensive back Charles Woodson (2006-2012). Gone was defensive tackle B.J. Raji (2009-2015), who one player claims held everyone accountable on defense. Thompson lowballed Raji, choosing instead to pay big money to fire-breathing defensive tackle Mike Daniels. While Daniels has been hell-bent on trashing Green Bay's "soft" label, one teammate says guys are turned off by his "hypocritical leadership."

Someone should look at the defensive statistics from 2011 and 13 when all these guys were there. If I was into small sample sizes, I would say leadership and accountability are worth next to nothing.

Also, Raji might have been low balled, but where did he sign for more money?

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Either way, he freelanced more than ever. One source with close ties to the team estimates Rodgers changed about a third of the plays McCarthy called. "An alarming amount. That is embarrassing. And they don't work!'" Realizing early on that his days in Green Bay were numbered, McCarthy would not rip Rodgers publicly. Not even as fans lambasted him for failing to feed dangerous running back Aaron Jones—while Rodgers simultaneously audibled out of runs.

Jones wasn't in the game for the first six weeks.

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Ty Dunne is the best football writer around. We were lucky to have him.

Yes, Aaron Rodgers is the problem.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...d-in-green-bay

So you are telling me that ARod is so dumb he thinks the OC in SF decides on who to draft...not even the HC, but the OC!

Edit: Although I totally buy that ARod thought MM was a buffoon when it came to game management. MM is a tool. I am betting no one hires him again, and if anyone does he will fail miserably. He had one of the most talented rosters in the NFL for about a 7 year stretch and got one OWL that was basically won because the D got hot at the right time.

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Over the years, Rodgers has preferred to surround himself with "yes-men," multiple sources say.

Name them please. His agent is one of the most respected guys in the business.

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That article had speculation about rings. I think 3 rings were left on the table: 2007,2011, 2014. 7 and 11 are interesting because the Packers lost to the same team that beat NE twice, including a team than many thought was the best NFL team ever. As I said after 2014, some losses are unrecoverable. You can't get past a loss like that without the organization blowing up. It took longer than it should have, but it eventually happened. I don't think any other Stubby teams were championship caliber. Maybe 2009, but they would have had to win at NO and at MN to get to the Super Bowl.

Article does confirm I think the worst suspicions about Thompson. (Edit: and I think the dynasty part is on Thompson. Even if the Packers win one of 2007 or 11 and 2014, that's just 3 SBs and maybe only two for Rodgers. The fact that the personnel got so bad, and there were so many draft mistakes, when that's your bread and butter, is all on TT. And you have to have continual good players and a few ringers for a dynasty. TT didn't get that done.)

TT's last few drafts were subpar. Prior to that he consistently provided one of the best rosters in the league...despite losing an all world S and a really good CB to injury right after signing a big deal.

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Based on the chip on the shoulder theory, Rodgers might try to win 2 MVPs this year.

Season and Owl I hope!

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Peter Bukowski
This is the bottom line: Aaron Rodgers is hyper competitive. That makes him sensitive, not just to perceived slights, but to the people around him. If they're not working as hard as him, he resents that. Mike McCarthy wasn't working hard enough. Rodgers lost respect for him.


Ok, but who is Peter Bukowski?