Is Aaron Rodgers even good anymore?

[run pMc]

They were a 6 win team. The coach got fired. Players and Fans are gonna be unhappy. People are going to talk.

To the original question: Rodgers is still good. It doesn't mean he's above reproach or excluded from criticism. If the criticism is constructive/based on facts then it's fair to at least consider it.

[mraynrand]

They were a 6 win team. The coach got fired. Players and Fans are gonna be unhappy. People are going to talk.

To the original question: Rodgers is still good. It doesn't mean he's above reproach or excluded from criticism. If the criticism is constructive/based on facts then it's fair to at least consider it.

good post

[pbmax]

I think Nutz has really gotten it right. Yes, we know Rodgers has faults, but geez, I do wish he were a bit more patient with the young receivers. I think at times he stunts their growth.

I don't buy this much. Explain Adams and Geronimo developing through this understanding.

[pbmax]

The clear message isn't to extend him and then "send a clear message". That is half-assed backwards.

Yeah, that part of the article about sending a message through the hiring of a new coach seems backwards.

If the baseline level analysis of most of the article is correct, Rodgers wanted McCarthy gone. Or at least a different approach to offense. Which they gave him. If Rand is right about rebuilding in 2018, I doubt how much they even wanted them to work it out. That one year deal was a message to McCarthy, not Rodgers.

So the quotes about sending Rodgers a message (which is the same message Thompson sent Favre and McCarthy/Gute sent Rodgers when they changed QB coaches) seems after the fact explaining.

In general, Rodgers shouldn't have a say, that would be my franchise ideal. But if they got this wrong (and they have no idea if they have or not) then the Rodgers extension was a colossal blunder. They should have traded him like Gary suggested or drafted a decent QB in the last 2 years. Or sign Josh Rosen.

[pbmax]

Finally, we have an Official Favre thread for Rodgers!

[pbmax]

I love the thought process too: OK, we listened, we fired the coach. Now don't be a diva!

We need a chef's kiss emoji for this foolishness.

On the subject of leadership, how did Favre react to Jennings and Rodgers being the draft picks, anyone remember?

#SignRandyMoss!

Favre wanted to be the GM. Rodgers at worst wants to be the coach.

[Fritz]

I don't buy this much. Explain Adams and Geronimo developing through this understanding.

Two parts: one, it's possible both of the above just went with what Rodgers wanted and let him know they would. Two, it's possible Rodgers has gotten worse since those two. He does appear more impatient and unafraid of showing his displeasure than he used to be.

[woodbuck27]

i disagree. there's a lot in here. jennings was even blown away by the article.

I saw MM as a terrible Head Coach but today I am shocked and I do not shock easily with all the crap we are seeing today if you have a pulse.

In my six plus decades of playing sports and being a Pro Sports fan; I don't recall reading a more pointed critical indictment, more 'on point' focus on the real health of a Pro Sports franchise.

As fans we are seriously observing the teams we love and we know when things are wrong even if we're unaware of exactly what factors are causing the issue to exist. We see a lot of little pictures but Tyler Dunne explains to us the inside stuff. The stuff that rarely is revealed.

This article will of course be challenged but I predict it's award worthy. It is a shocking revelation of a storied franchise and just how bad things can get and how that bad plays out on game days.

I could see plenty bad but the reasons for that if this article is in it's entirety creditable are blowing me away.

The Head Coach missing his own Team Meetings on a detour to get a massage. Give me a break. Sneaking the masseuse into his office.

A. At 1:30 PM Scheduled Team meeting.

B. 4 PM A Booked massage in my office.

The Head Coach missing his own scheduled meetings . Give me a break !

Sneaking the Masseuse up the back stairs to the the head Coach's office !? What?... and if so ...why?

"What the hell is going on around this place?" Vince Lombardi

If this stuff is true Mike McCarthy might have difficulty getting his fat belly behind a bar as it's tender.

If this is true he won't coach a Pop Warner youth team. Forget getting another NFL Head Coaching or OC assignment. This article is a life impacting badass sentence on Mike McCarthy and no future in the NFL.

[woodbuck27]

Finally, we have an Official Favre thread for Rodgers!

Of course over the course of it we will know positively that Aaron Rodgers is not of the even near same quality of a person as Brett Favre. It has been said over and over just what a happy go lucky teammate Favre was supporting his peers.

Brett Favre clearly was 'a Team player'. Favre spread 'the love' .

[denverYooper]

Favre spread 'the love' .

Deanna was not very happy about that.

[woodbuck27]

Finally, we have an Official Favre thread for Rodgers!

What we really have is a QB that needs to bust his ass to get on the same page as his new Head Coach and OC.

What we might have here is an official Green Bay Packer management apology

Owed to Packer fans world wide,
.

[woodbuck27]

[QUOTE=denverYooper;1006846]Deanna was not very happy about that.[/QUR OTE]

All is well that ended well.

Most of us have done really stupid stuff and realized that was stupid at some point and hoped we would be simply forgiven.

[denverYooper]

Deanna was not very happy about that.

All is well that ended well.

Most of us have done really stupid stuff and realized that was stupid at some point and hoped we would be simply forgiven.

Nice pivot. Your claim was that Aaron Rodgers was not "the same quality of person". Now you explain away his lecherous behavior as simply something stupid.

As a teammate, Favre was quite detached from most of the younger players in his later years in Green Bay to the point that he was reported to have his own locker room. The routine offseason retirements didn't add to the perception that he was giving his all, either. Then there were the cold games where he just checked out. Yet he played that one magical season with the Vikings deep in his career that re-kindled the Favre of yore in the hearts of his most ardent supporters.

They've both had long careers with a lot of success and their share of warts. It is just Rodgers's time to get brought down a peg.

[Anti-Polar Bear]

I would love to agree with this article about every thing said about Aaron Rodgers, but this was a smut article written with a bunch of ridiculous sources that refused to be named. Jennings was the only reasonable source of the former players named. Rodgers has some personalities faults and is a narcissist, and I have always questioned his leadership qualities, but he didn't purposely tank this past season. I just wish he would be a better resource for the younger guys and not be so short sided with the other guys trying to develop into quality football players.

Where in the article did Dunne mention that the Great Arm of Butte purposely tanked the season?

I've grown accustomed to A-Rod, but I'm disappointed to learn that he imprisoned Janis in a doghouse. Janis bailed Rodgers out TWICE on that last drive in Arizona, for fuck's sake! Good things happened when Janis was in the game.

Harlan is reading this and he's like, I'm glad i saw Janis live at Woodstock.

[mraynrand]

Deanna was not very happy about that.

All is well that ended well.

Most of us have done really stupid stuff and realized that was stupid at some point and hoped we would be simply forgiven.

Sure, but we still ended up in prison.