Is Aaron Rodgers even good anymore?

[Joemailman]

but Rodgers isn't throwing to guys that are open. people ARE open. take what's given until the big play presents itself. don't force it. march down the field, eat up the clock, get points. he still has the ability to be a good qb. he'll have to have a different mind set though. he's got to get back to taking what the D gives him. he's abandoned trying to get first downs for big plays. he's been this way for at least 3 seasons but this year it's off the charts. if he won't do it in this friendly offense, that he knows like the back of his hand, what makes us think he'll do it in a new offense? he doesn't want to be an efficient Brady-type qb. he wants to be the wow guy. it's killing our offense. he's become the trending-down, prima donna, overpaid, coach-killer, guy. you can't build around a guy like that without him becoming coachable again. i don't think his ego will allow it. can't trade him. it's too late. he's exposed himself. who'd want to deal with that and the enormous cap hit.

Rodgers will be a Packer. Even if they traded him, I believe the cap hit on the signing bonus would be on them. The question is, who has the best chance to get through to him? The coaching staff he seems to have tuned out, or a different one? I would argue the latter. Frankly, I'm not sure the relationship between MM and Rodgers has ever been the same since MM took the ball out of Rodgers' hands late in the NFC Title Game in Seattle. Punting on 4th and 2 probably didn't help. It's a bad relationship that has to end.

[pbmax]

Do you really believe AR has morphed into this spoiled diva who won't let anyone tell him what to do? I wonder if it is Stubby who is allowing Rodgers free reign? EVERY player, even Brady, needs coaching and I have a feeling Rodgers isn't getting the direction he needs from his HC nor his position coach.

Don't know about Gary but I half believe this.

Rodgers knows what his options are on play calls and waiting then looking deep first could be his decision at times.

So despite scheme and planning shortcomings, he is not taking what the defense offered either. They are both complicit.

[pbmax]

You just need to rematch the 2nd half of the Bears game to know what is possible.

But it won't happen in the next Bears game because Fangio is forewarned. And I guarantee the adjustments in the game plan won't be the short ones this time.

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Do you really believe AR has morphed into this spoiled diva who won't let anyone tell him what to do? I wonder if it is Stubby who is allowing Rodgers free reign? EVERY player, even Brady, needs coaching and I have a feeling Rodgers isn't getting the direction he needs from his HC nor his position coach.

i believe he's been that way most of his career but we've turned a blind eye because of all the winning

ask anyone who isn't a packer fan and they will tell you he's a grade A diva

people didn't think favre was a piece of shit either until he left green bay, then we saw his dick, i mean his warts

jennings was beloved by packer fans, until they left, then he was a piece of shit

lacy was a big fan favorite, till he stopped producing, then people wanted him to die and celebrated him eating himself out of the NFL

raji was the king shit when he was nabbing ints and doing the truffle shuffle in the endzone. then became a total asshole once we decided not to pay him huge bucks

the list does go on

i do believe that a-rod IS a big diva. you see it multiple times a game when he fucks up starts throwing a fit like a little child and shows up his teammates on the field

[Pugger]

i believe he's been that way most of his career but we've turned a blind eye because of all the winning

ask anyone who isn't a packer fan and they will tell you he's a grade A diva

people didn't think favre was a piece of shit either until he left green bay, then we saw his dick, i mean his warts

jennings was beloved by packer fans, until they left, then he was a piece of shit

lacy was a big fan favorite, till he stopped producing, then people wanted him to die and celebrated him eating himself out of the NFL

raji was the king shit when he was nabbing ints and doing the truffle shuffle in the endzone. then became a total asshole once we decided not to pay him huge bucks

the list does go on

i do believe that a-rod IS a big diva. you see it multiple times a game when he fucks up starts throwing a fit like a little child and shows up his teammates on the field

AR isn't the first nor is he the last to act like this. There is the guy in NE who does the same damn stuff only he gets a pass because of all of his jewelry.

[run pMc]

i believe he's been that way most of his career but we've turned a blind eye because of all the winning

ask anyone who isn't a packer fan and they will tell you he's a grade A diva

people didn't think favre was a piece of shit either until he left green bay, then we saw his dick, i mean his warts

jennings was beloved by packer fans, until they left, then he was a piece of shit

lacy was a big fan favorite, till he stopped producing, then people wanted him to die and celebrated him eating himself out of the NFL

raji was the king shit when he was nabbing ints and doing the truffle shuffle in the endzone. then became a total asshole once we decided not to pay him huge bucks

the list does go on

i do believe that a-rod IS a big diva. you see it multiple times a game when he fucks up starts throwing a fit like a little child and shows up his teammates on the field

You just described a lot of what drives me crazy about NFL fandom.

[run pMc]

Rodgers is still good.
Rodgers is NOT playing up to his ability.

M3 is still running a lot of matchup based offense, but he doesn't have the same horses he used to.
M3 has introduced more scheme based plays, but in many cases they aren't being executed well.

ESB and MVS should not be expected to play as well as Cobb or Nelson did circa 2014, that's a lot to ask of any Day 3 rookie. They have an offense that should revolve around the trio of Rodgers, Adams, and Jones. When teams focus on doubling or scheming them out of the offense, M3 should have counters ready for those. The offense should also give the other players chances to produce, but again, there has to be something built into the offense to help give them an advantage on that matchup. You'd think a team that doubles or brackets Adams would open up other opportunities for others.

In the SEA game alone there were several throws Rodgers made that were off-target or underthrown (nevermind not seeing the open receivers). That makes me think his mechanics are off, which usually points to legs or footwork. I hope it's not the collarbone injuries.

I thought he was the Cal offense he came out of had a lot of high percentage checkdowns in it -- I don't see why he can't go back to this. Throwing deep on 3rd and short (or holding the ball waiting for rookies to separate and taking a bad sack) is asinine IMO. This last game I actually caught myself missing the 2 yard out to DickRod, because that would at least move the chains more often. You can't go 3-11 on 3rd down, especially when it includes 4 sacks. That's bad execution.

For as bad as the defense has performed over the last few seasons, you'd think the idea would be to keep them off the field and roll up 12 play drives. I personally would love to see this -- there's nothing like a couple of long methodical drives to rip the heart of a defense (and crowd, when on the road). Builds a lot of confidence for the offense, and takes it away from the opposition.

[pbmax]

Just be careful what check downs we are asking for. 2-3 yard throws on 3rd and 6 are terrible if its just a leak out route. If its a crosser or something that hits a WR in stride its different.

He should feel free to hit Jones for that pass on 1st and 2nd down. 3rd down I want him looking past the sticks. But given his physical condition, he shouldn't be running an extended offense from a crowded pocket.

[MadScientist]

i don't think the priority was placed on big plays 12 years ago. it's seems more like the last 6 to me. as for playing the short game you're right. where's the quick out and slant gone? i hate the offense right now.

It started in 2011, when they were hitting the big play with remarkable efficiency. Defenses adjusted, and the Packers made some changes to help keep hitting enough, or opening things for Rodgers running. That's not working now and the offense looks like inconsistent crap. I don't think any changes are going to make it work again, they need to try something else.

[gbgary]

Bill Bardwell @billbarnwell
Again: if a quarterback played like Aaron Rodgers did last night over an entire season, he would set the single-season yards per attempt record, the single-season passer rating record, and have the third-most passing yards in league history. Aaron Rodgers’s “problem” is a dream

i'd tell him not to believe what the stat line tells him but believe what his eyes tell him.

[run pMc]

Just be careful what check downs we are asking for. 2-3 yard throws on 3rd and 6 are terrible if its just a leak out route. If its a crosser or something that hits a WR in stride its different.

He should feel free to hit Jones for that pass on 1st and 2nd down. 3rd down I want him looking past the sticks. But given his physical condition, he shouldn't be running an extended offense from a crowded pocket.

I should be more clear there -- when it's 3rd and short, I'd be fine with them not sending everyone on deep outs and 15 yard digs. The 2 yard dumpoffs to DickRod on 3rd and 8 drove me crazy too. I think it's situational awareness and execution.
I'd take a checkdown to Aaron Jones if there's nobody within a few yards of him in most circumstances.

the QB has to make that throw though, preferably hitting the receiver in stride so they can secure the ball and turn upfield for YAC.

[pbmax]

I should be more clear there -- when it's 3rd and short, I'd be fine with them not sending everyone on deep outs and 15 yard digs. The 2 yard dumpoffs to DickRod on 3rd and 8 drove me crazy too. I think it's situational awareness and execution..

It also makes a difference that its Jones and not DickRod.

[Joemailman]

Perhaps Andy Herman, the host of the Pack-A-Day Packers podcast, said it best when he posited that the 2015 season “broke” Rodgers. After a rash of injuries to the wide receiver position and an Eddie Lacy on the downturn, Rodgers kept the ship afloat playing and expanding his signature sandlot style of football. He made it work, but he also imprinted into his DNA a desire to chase the big play. In the three years since, Rodgers still falls back into those habits; now, however, the off-platform throwing and the play-extending habits manifest differently. Whereas Rodgers has been sacked 30 times in 10 games in 2018, he was sacked just 28 times in all of 2014 (5.4%), including the aforementioned drive-killing third down sacks.

I think this is an accurate take.

[call_me_ishmael]

I think this is an accurate take.

I hadn't really considered that but it makes a lot of sense. He just hasn't been the same since then it seems. I wonder if they do any timing based things in training camp to simulate sacks. For example, after x time (which is very short), the play is blown dead and counts as a sack.

[pbmax]

i'd tell him not to believe what the stat line tells him but believe what his eyes tell him.

Even a 75% Rodgers is a Top 5 QB in the league.