Is Aaron Rodgers even good anymore?

[pbmax]

Sometimes the dysfunction confuses my internal calendar. Was 2015 the year Nelson got hurt?

[mraynrand]

Sometimes the dysfunction confuses my internal calendar. Was 2015 the year Nelson got hurt?

yep

[mraynrand]

You have to have players. If you're throwing to Abracadabra and Perillo, you're gonna lose games. DYoop from the other thread is correct - it's all about getting the physically talented players integrated into the offense - it needs to be there for MN and beyond.

[gbgary]

Even a 75% Rodgers is a Top 5 QB in the league.

nope. qb's better than rodgers right now with him physically at 95% (but at 75% mentally)...brees, mahomes, goffe, wentz, luck, rivers. these guys aren't undermining their coaches, breaching the all-world bad-body-language threshold set by cutler, and throwing out the book on qb mechanics.

[denverYooper]

lol

[mraynrand]

... breaching the all-world bad-body-language threshold set by cutler...

[PA Pack Fan]

nope. qb's better than rodgers right now with him physically at 95% (but at 75% mentally)...brees, mahomes, goffe, wentz, luck, rivers. these guys aren't undermining their coaches, breaching the all-world bad-body-language threshold set by cutler, and throwing out the book on qb mechanics.

I agree, and Russell even found a way to win, throw him in there.

[pbmax]

nope. qb's better than rodgers right now with him physically at 95% (but at 75% mentally)...brees, mahomes, goffe, wentz, luck, rivers. these guys aren't undermining their coaches, breaching the all-world bad-body-language threshold set by cutler, and throwing out the book on qb mechanics.

You got be kiddding me about Goff, Rivers and Wentz. Rivers is late period Favre.

[Fritz]

Rodgers, for the last few years, has been the king of bad body language. He's a master at rolling his eyes. All the disdain and disgust and superiority in the world is packed into that signature move.

[gbgary]

You got be kiddding me about Goff, Rivers and Wentz. Rivers is late period Favre.

besides stat lines there's all the other stuff i mentioned. heck forgot about big ben. yup rivers. he's thrown more tds, has a higher rating, and higher comp %. wentz was probably wrong but he's not become the coach killer rodgers has become. goff has easily been better than rodgers this year.

[wist43]

A lot of QB's in the league are better than Rodgers right now...

I think Rodgers has the ability to be the best, but he isn't interested in playing within the system - hence, he sucks.

Goff, Brees, Mahomes, Wilson, Brady, Rothlesrapist, Ryan, and Rivers are all better than Rodgers right now.

[mraynrand]

I think Rodgers has the ability to be the best, but he isn't interested in playing within the system - hence, he sucks.

Can you describe the system he’s playing outside of?

[wist43]

Can you describe the system he’s playing outside of?

Yeah, eschewing his reads to bolt the pocket and do nothing but look for the bomb downfield.

How many widescreen shots have we seen of guys wide open underneath and Rodgers not even giving the shorter receiver a thought.

It's a huge a problem.

[pbmax]

Yeah, eschewing his reads to bolt the pocket and do nothing but look for the bomb downfield.

How many widescreen shots have we seen of guys wide open underneath and Rodgers not even giving the shorter receiver a thought.

It's a huge a problem.

He doesn't get outside anymore because he is limited physically, I don't think he is anywhere near Gary's 95%.

But the check down thing can be an issue depending on the down. If its 3rd or 4th down, you need to throw to the sticks unless you are about to take a sack.

And I think that is another reason to suspect he is not physically whole, he seems to have no idea when he is about to be caught anymore.

[call_me_ishmael]

Follow Nagler, he has some good RTa tonight on the subject. Watching a few clips from 2011 and he just looks totally different in both how he throws and how soon he throws.