Is Aaron Rodgers even good anymore?

[red]

Rodgers' footwork have never been all that great.

This is something that I think someone needs to fix fast.

It’s not gonna get any easier for him to do that kind of stuff as he gets older and less athletic

And then it’s just gonna cause more and more problems for us

[gbgary]

Not sure he is healthy enough to. But the bigger drop-off is McCarthy's offensive planning.

but Rodgers isn't throwing to guys that are open. people ARE open. take what's given until the big play presents itself. don't force it. march down the field, eat up the clock, get points. he still has the ability to be a good qb. he'll have to have a different mind set though. he's got to get back to taking what the D gives him. he's abandoned trying to get first downs for big plays. he's been this way for at least 3 seasons but this year it's off the charts. if he won't do it in this friendly offense, that he knows like the back of his hand, what makes us think he'll do it in a new offense? he doesn't want to be an efficient Brady-type qb. he wants to be the wow guy. it's killing our offense. he's become the trending-down, prima donna, overpaid, coach-killer, guy. you can't build around a guy like that without him becoming coachable again. i don't think his ego will allow it. can't trade him. it's too late. he's exposed himself. who'd want to deal with that and the enormous cap hit.

[pbmax]

but Rodgers isn't throwing to guys that are open. people ARE open. take what's given until the big play presents itself. don't force it. march down the field, eat up the clock, get points.

I am not saying this is a terrible idea. I am saying they literally have done the opposite for 12 years.

And when M3 schemes short passes, they are terrible. Rodgers compounds this by being bad at screen passes and ignoring outlet receivers for too long.

Expecting this to change with the current staff is unrealistic. A new coach has to convince Rodgers he has a plan for it and then ask him for some better short throws.

[Bretsky]

Rodgers is an elite talent; but he's not playing like an elite QB.

One of the reasons is he "used" to convert so many of those third down with his legs.

Clearly he's lost about a step and a half due to the knee injury and he no longer has the speed to get first downs with his legs; he needs to heal.

In the mean time YAC is gone, and MM has clearly lost the faith of AROD. One of the two needs to go. BYE BYE MM

[pbmax]

McCarthy could change this, but he has steadfastly refused to alter his base offense. He is waiting to be gifted with matchup wins at three more positions so his offense will win more.

Game doesn't work like this.

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McCarthy could change this, but he has steadfastly refused to alter his base offense. He is waiting to be gifted with matchup wins at three more positions so his offense will win more.

Game doesn't work like this.

He has been keeping his job for years by saying things were going to change

And nothing ever does

[pbmax]

He has been keeping his job for years by saying things were going to change

And nothing ever does

That's the disconnect. He has changed, added bit by bit, but the approach of the base offense has not.

[mraynrand]

McCarthy...is waiting to be gifted with matchup wins at three more positions so his offense will win more.

nailed it

[red]

That's the disconnect. He has changed, added bit by bit, but the approach of the base offense has not.

its like the madden or fifa franchise

they add one new thing every year to get everyone all excited to buy it. everyone rushes out to get the new products, then finds its the exact same broken games as it has been for 4 or 5 years, exactly, except for one new worthless feature that hardly anyone cares about

its a con game

the new offensive wrinkle for this year might be that pitch play we saw run twice the other night, other then that, its the same broken shit as it has been for a few years now

The only difference between me and a homeless man is this job. I will do whatever it takes to survive. Like I did when I was a homeless man.-

creed bratton, the office

[gbgary]

I am not saying this is a terrible idea. I am saying they literally have done the opposite for 12 years.

And when M3 schemes short passes, they are terrible. Rodgers compounds this by being bad at screen passes and ignoring outlet receivers for too long.

Expecting this to change with the current staff is unrealistic. A new coach has to convince Rodgers he has a plan for it and then ask him for some better short throws.

i don't think the priority was placed on big plays 12 years ago. it's seems more like the last 6 to me. as for playing the short game you're right. where's the quick out and slant gone? i hate the offense right now.

[mraynrand]

its like the madden or fifa franchise

they add one new thing every year to get everyone all excited to buy it. everyone rushes out to get the new products, then finds its the exact same broken games as it has been for 4 or 5 years, exactly, except for one new worthless feature that hardly anyone cares about

its a con game

the new offensive wrinkle for this year might be that pitch play we saw run twice the other night, other then that, its the same broken shit as it has been for a few years now

Except they have a running back who averages 18 yards/carry. That's not a weapon.

[call_me_ishmael]

Are there really not any short or intimidate routes? Are we sure Aaron just isn't ignoring them? I just don't see how a coach could be so stubborn when we have seen time and time again how well the no huddle paired with short passing games working the sidelines works for this team. They're near unstoppable in their 2-4 minute offense.

[pbmax]

i don't think the priority was placed on big plays 12 years ago. it's seems more like the last 6 to me. as for playing the short game you're right. where's the quick out and slant gone? i hate the offense right now.

When Driver and Jennings started on offense, it was not so. They ran much more interior stuff because that is what those guys ran well. Jennings caught that miraculous post in the SB between 15 Steeler defenders. But that was intermediate stuff, not short shallow crosses or slants.

But that changed when it was Nelson and Jones starting alongside Jennings. Suddenly deep was wide open with Jennings in the slot, Nelson just going by people and Jones continually being the most open covered receiver in the game.

That's what I mean by McCarthy waiting for his advantage in personnel to happen again. If only he was so excited about his RB.

[pbmax]

Are there really not any short or intimidate routes? Are we sure Aaron just isn't ignoring them? I just don't see how a coach could be so stubborn when we have seen time and time again how well the no huddle paired with short passing games working the sidelines works for this team. They're near unstoppable in their 2-4 minute offense.

There are always shorter routes, but the game plan and the QB have to focus on them. The great lie of NFL football is that there is a 4 route progression happening on every pass. That isn't happening anymore; well, sometimes, in the extended offense. No one goes through 4 post snap progressions anymore. Pre snaps reads are much more important.

Mostly the other routes are decoys to pull defenders out of position while the offense attacks the people they want to attack. I can guarantee you M3 and Rodgers didn't start game planning by saying we are going to attack Bobby Wagner with passes to the backs. They wanted to attack single high safety wth bail coverage by CBs deep.

Adjusting to a weakness in the D on the fly takes an offense that can fall back to base plays they execute well. And this offense doesn't do passes to the back or TE well out of base.

[Pugger]

but Rodgers isn't throwing to guys that are open. people ARE open. take what's given until the big play presents itself. don't force it. march down the field, eat up the clock, get points. he still has the ability to be a good qb. he'll have to have a different mind set though. he's got to get back to taking what the D gives him. he's abandoned trying to get first downs for big plays. he's been this way for at least 3 seasons but this year it's off the charts. if he won't do it in this friendly offense, that he knows like the back of his hand, what makes us think he'll do it in a new offense? he doesn't want to be an efficient Brady-type qb. he wants to be the wow guy. it's killing our offense. he's become the trending-down, prima donna, overpaid, coach-killer, guy. you can't build around a guy like that without him becoming coachable again. i don't think his ego will allow it. can't trade him. it's too late. he's exposed himself. who'd want to deal with that and the enormous cap hit.

Do you really believe AR has morphed into this spoiled diva who won't let anyone tell him what to do? I wonder if it is Stubby who is allowing Rodgers free reign? EVERY player, even Brady, needs coaching and I have a feeling Rodgers isn't getting the direction he needs from his HC nor his position coach.