The Next Few Years - Rebuild Mode

[mraynrand]

Yet another senseless trade up.

almost certainly true

[Smidgeon]

It was my idea. GB-Brandon was talking about blue and purple skies.

Murder Hornets. I knew I missed one on my bingo card!

[GB-Brandon]

There is a move out there that could set this whole thing off.

Hope Gute has the balls to pull it off.

[pbmax]

I thought the consensus was more that the defensive picks were poor, rather than their utilization being terrible. I guess with Capers, most ended up believing 'both'

Pettine should have his feet to the fire. Not being able to adjust in that NFCC game was astonishing. If they can't counter SF this year, he should lose his job. Not saying they have to shut SF down, but he'd better not get gashed again. There's no reason they can't match KC's effort. (should be better actually).

I am placing all my hopes on the emergence of Burks.

A few players have gone on to have decent if not spectacular careers. Pennel is still playing and starting I believe. Zombo played for a while. Hyde has been good as a safety and Hayward good at CB.

But you are correct, Datone Jones did not go elsewhere and light up the world and I think Nick Perry has just retired, though 2 contracts make his case different.

A lot more blown picks in the secondary.

I suppose I come down on equal blame. There were some drafted players and the scheme often refuse to accommodate the better of them. Pettine hasn't done that yet, but it is early in his tenure. He has had more pieces that late stage Capers and less to show for it. In retrospect, I think insisting on retaining Pettine was probably a mistake, as it usually is

I still think that the issue with the Packers long term defensive woes come down to getting limited players who can do what the coaches want (coaches choice) and the Packer preference to have higher upside athletes.

[wist43]

I am placing all my hopes on the emergence of Burks.

I'm thinking he'll be cut this year... 1st round athlete, UDFA as a football player.

[mraynrand]

I'm thinking he'll be cut this year... 1st round athlete, UDFA as a football player.

I think at worst he ends up like Jarett Bush or Jeff (All Pro WR per Tex) Janis. - a ST specialist who stays on the roster unless other LB depth is significantly better and can play ST too.

[Bretsky]

There is a move out there that could set this whole thing off.

Hope Gute has the balls to pull it off.

You mean trading for Pitt stud WR who apparently is on the market ?

[GB-Brandon]

You mean trading for Pitt stud WR who apparently is on the market ?

You read my mind.

[Bretsky]

You read my mind.

But realistically the harder questions are

1. Would you trade draft capital for a one year rental, or would you ask Russ Ball to work magic and sign him to a long term deal as part of the trade

2. Under both scenarios, what would you give up for him ??

[wist43]

But realistically the harder questions are

1. Would you trade draft capital for a one year rental, or would you ask Russ Ball to work magic and sign him to a long term deal as part of the trade

2. Under both scenarios, what would you give up for him ??

Not sure who you're talking about, but given what Gute did in the draft, I don't think the short term matters at all.

We're not going anywhere this year, and most likely next year either. Rodgers will be gone for sure before the 2022 season, so now Love is your new starting QB - so that takes 2023 out of the mix in terms of contending.

So that, realistically, brings you to 2024 being the first year you might-could contend.

By 2024, both Smith's and Amos are gone; Adams, Bahk, and Clark will all be getting gray by then; you know they won't do anything to fix LB; Jones will be gone and Dillon, if he stays healthy, will have a ton of mileage on his body, as he already has 900 carrys coming into the pros; and they still have glaring vacancies at DL, WR, and OT.

2024 is an entirely different roster before you might be able to contend - so no, you don't trade away any draft capital.

If anything, I would be looking to deal pieces we already have. Problem with that is we don't have any depth.

[GB-Brandon]

Not sure who you're talking about, but given what Gute did in the draft, I don't think the short term matters at all.

We're not going anywhere this year, and most likely next year either. Rodgers will be gone for sure before the 2022 season, so now Love is your new starting QB - so that takes 2023 out of the mix in terms of contending.

So that, realistically, brings you to 2024 being the first year you might-could contend.

By 2024, both Smith's and Amos are gone; Adams, Bahk, and Clark will all be getting gray by then; you know they won't do anything to fix LB; Jones will be gone and Dillon, if he stays healthy, will have a ton of mileage on his body, as he already has 900 carrys coming into the pros; and they still have glaring vacancies at DL, WR, and OT.

2024 is an entirely different roster before you might be able to contend - so no, you don't trade away any draft capital.

If anything, I would be looking to deal pieces we already have. Problem with that is we don't have any depth.

I’m not so sure about that. You go out and get JuJu and along with Adams you now have the best or one of the best 1-2 punches in the NFL. I am very very high on Dillon and all the sudden you have potentially one of the best 1-2 punches at RB. “Thunder and Lightning”

We would need Wagner to hold up at RT but all the sudden with the mix and matching with new personnel(Sternberger, Deguara) we have something formidable here. This move would certainly have Rodgers “All-In” as he wants a ring badly.

All of this might give our defense a chance with “Playing Ahead”

I would be pretty excited if Gute could pull it off.

[GB-Brandon]

But realistically the harder questions are

1. Would you trade draft capital for a one year rental, or would you ask Russ Ball to work magic and sign him to a long term deal as part of the trade

2. Under both scenarios, what would you give up for him ??

I’d go long term with him as Adams probably won’t be re-signed with a 3rd contract. You basically stabilize the receiver position for a few years which gives the Packers another chance to draft one next year to develop to replace Adams.

If they could get him for a 2nd that would be amazing considering that could be a pick in the 60’s..

[GB-Brandon]

Maybe you could also package in Jamaal Williams in for JuJu too.

[Bretsky]

I’d go long term with him as Adams probably won’t be re-signed with a 3rd contract. You basically stabilize the receiver position for a few years which gives the Packers another chance to draft one next year to develop to replace Adams.

If they could get him for a 2nd that would be amazing considering that could be a pick in the 60’s..

I don't know how we can afford him next year. Let's assume he gets 12-14MIL/Year

How do we make cap room for that ?

I would not give up a 2nd w/o an extension.

Then again, I should really be all in for trading our entire draft for players who can play ))

[run pMc]

They won't go after JuJu unless they got him very cheap as a one year rental. No cap space.
They will look at who gets cut. All these WR draft picks are going to push some veterans out, ones better than Ryan Grant who could contribute right away.